Car Commercials, the good, the bad, and the annoying!

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SWNcv52g8g

    You can tell it's for Europe. Too long and too technical for an American audience.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    edited May 2011
    Are you in any kind of club at all then?

    At the most recent MBCA gathering I attended, a few of us gathered around a W220 and talked about why we wouldn't touch one if it was free. The club literature endlessly addresses problem areas, and often encourages DIY repairs. Haven't seen any shenanigans

    I'm also in a brand owned AMG specific group that requires a VIN to join, and there too problems are discussed and "secrets" (how to fully disable traction control, etc) are discussed, haven't seen anything blocked.

    I go to a few MB specific gatherings a year, including a regional show...haven't seen anything like that from the L.

    Nice try though, explain away the lack of Lexus content in the enthusiast world...
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    edited May 2011
    Many club members aren't there to discuss their brand new cars. It is certainly the same in any Lexus group. The most avidly followed and modified Lexus I have seen is the first IS - far from new.

    I haven't seen anything about membership numbers on any MB forum, kind of irrelevant. But with so many people supposedly (huge grain of salt there) viewing IS forums, one would think they'd be more popular.

    A base IS 250 is no more exciting than an ES to me, and really, the same ability of driver around here seems to go for it, just younger. No more exciting than the blandest leased C300 or 328i either. The F is seen on the road as often as legit supercars, and the LFA with its bloated price, weird styling, and bizarre purchase scheme, is almost just a dream.

    But carry on with the defensive devils advocate for the most boring brand in the world, one that is desperately trying to shed that image that even it knows exists, it's a free world :P
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    edited May 2011
    most boring brand in the world

    Wow, really? So even Buick or Lincoln are more exciting? Or GMC? Does a DTS with FWD, wire wheels and a cloth roof get your juices flowing more than any Lexus model?

    You may be the first person I've ever heard say that Lexus would be more boring than what's availible from China, Russia or India. lol, did you mean the "in the world" part or were you just being facitious? :D
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    edited May 2011
    By the way, I don't intend to play devils advocate for Lexus, I'm just not sure they are as irrelevant to the enthusiasts world as you would like to believe that's all.

    Me, I still prefer German (or Infiniti) if I want a performance car from a true performance brand. I won't argue that Lexus survives on a ton of RX and ES sales, but with the bank account that Toyota has to throw at the brand, and the strides they are making with the "F" line and LFA models I wouldn't count them out for building some serious street cred against the Germans down the road.

    Who knows, maybe fuel efficiency will drive the next round of performance vehicles? Hybrid power being tapped to build the next lineup of AMG fighters rather than big V8's and V12's?

    Nobody leads in hybrid tech more than Toyota does, so if gas does get to 6 - 7 bucks, or more, then Toyota already has a jumpstart on everybody in experience, lessons learned, advancements, etc.

    But, I'll bow out of this discussion and just continue as a reader. I respect both yours and juices opinions and you had some great points/counterpoints going about the subject before I interrupted. :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I wouldn't want to join any club that would have me as a member. ;)

    Actually I founded the Subaru Crew right here on Edmunds, est. 1999 or so. We're mostly virtual but have had several in-person gatherings. Subaru has invited a few of us to several short-lead events, too, which was nice. NAIAS 2006 and 2007, the Legacy/Outback intro at Vegas Speedway (fun to drive a GT on the oval), and the Tribeca intro in PA (got a Murano up on 2 wheels, scary). I was invited but missed a private event to intro the Impreza at NYIAS this year, bummer. RSHolland went, he's the other Community Leader.

    Lots of nice freebies, but if anyone doubts my independence search for my last name on WSJ's Smart Money magazine and see what I said about their latest Navi system. :lemon:

    Cars as a hobby takes a lot of time away from the family, so that limits the amount of time I spend on it.

    No offense but I sort of cringed about checking VINs to join that AMG club. That alone would keep me away. Why exclude the poor teenager who is passionate about cars, but can't afford one yet?

    I use the term "Badge Snob" jokingly, but that is quite literally an official club of badge snobs. Wow!

    Club Lexus has 9 local chapters, not that you'd care to search. I found 5 events in May and June in my region.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    A base IS 250 is no more exciting than an ES to me

    Unlike many M-Bs, at least you can get one with a manual transmission.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    edited May 2011
    Buick and Lincoln aren't really brands of the world either, with one notable exception for the former, they are NA brands, and NA means dumbed down. Lexus aiming for that market is a big reason why it is so vanilla. It's a nice quality vanilla, but vanilla no less.

    What's more boring than an ES?

    Third world brands are likely more exciting, maybe not intentionally so :shades:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    edited May 2011
    But the car the base IS competes with, the base C, DOES have an available manual. Point absolutely demolished when an apples to apples comparison is made ;)

    Does Lexus offer manual in anything the competition doesn't? Of course not.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    They'll have their work cut out for them, that's all I can say...the brand has a rep for being an isotank in NA, and virtually doesn't exist elsewhere. It'll be a VERY tough rep to change.

    The next generation AMG models are twin turbo. After that, who knows...maybe nothing as it will be after 2012 :shades:

    The sport hybrid will be a toughie indeed.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    Heh...the VIN thing would be easy...just browse a used car ad and copy it. That's the Germans at work. The poor teenager can find more active discussion at the general MB forums (or "Clubs" if one will), of which there are several. It tends to be car specific discussion rather than general knowledge.

    Sounds like Subaru sanctions a little for that club. As it should. Better marketing than a lot of the garbage carmakers put on TV.

    I checked out ClubLexus, a "Toyota Owners Festival" is the most touted local event. But anyway...

    It
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    What's more boring than an ES?

    What's more comfortable?

    It's not meant to raise your pulse. It's meant to coddle its occupants, and it does that job well. The back seat is quiet and isolated.

    It fulfills its missions well. Not every car is designed to your personal tastes (or mine). Owners love them and are more loyal to Lexus than other luxury makes, resale is also better.

    They do what they do well.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Have you even driven an IS? Any Lexus, lately?

    Before you ask, I have.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The next generation AMG models are twin turbo

    And they're aiming for more fuel efficiency, right?

    See, Lexus has influenced even AMG.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Subaru does support bloggers and grass-roots enthusiasts. Wisely so. Not quite to the level of the automotive press, but I haven't paid to get in to a car show anywhere in the last decade or so.

    Detroit, Philly, New York, DC, and Baltimore. Got invited to Chicago (by Motorweek, not Subaru) but couldn't go.
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,403
    Amen!! The only thing I'd change would be to put my Volvo C70 buckets in the front. They are really more comfortable. Even the wife agrees. The ES300 does what is was designed to do, and does it extremely well, regardless what Fintail thinks.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It's the 4Matic C class that doesn't come with a manual. The Audi guys told me that, but I guess it was in the context of a comparison with Quattro. I looked it up and looks like the C300 Sport does offer a clutch, but that's just one model.

    Funny thing is Lexus offers 2 IS models with a manual - the IS sedan and the IS folding hardtop convertible, too.

    Also, it's Lincoln that doesn't offer a manual, not Lexus.

    I guarantee you could have more fun in an IS manual, IS convertible, or off roading in a GX or LX vs. in any Lincoln.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    So Lexus, and not the trendiness of being "green" and skyrocketing gas prices make one want to be fuel efficient?

    Right.

    These engines are also more powerful. It's technology, it marches on.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    edited May 2011
    Many cars are more comfortable than the Supercamry. But being comfortable was not the point here.

    Get back to me in 40 years or so and I might appreciate the isotanks a little more. Until then, the insanely large majority of the lineup is for people who really don't like cars or like driving.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    edited May 2011
    Nope, haven't driven an IS. Why would I bother? I don't even find it comfortable to sit in or look around, visibility isn't great for taller drivers. I have driven 2 different current ES and the last of the previous LS. Yawn.

    The ISC being a legit different model is a stretch. Will be rarer than a manual Camry.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    Where did I say the Lexus doesn't operate as intended? I just don't care for that intent. I haven't said the cars fail at their design.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    The IS has an extremely cramped back seat and is ferociously expensive for what you get. It's styling is so anonymous, it gets lost in a sea of less expensive cars. At least a CTS, C-Class, or 3-Series stands out a bit.

    About the only car in Lexus' lineup that has any appeal to me is the LS460. Even that has diminished in recent years. I liked the LS when they copied the previous Mercedes S-Class better than the bland look it now sports.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Lexus pioneered green luxury, now others are catching up.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    being comfortable was not the point here

    Yes it is - for those buyers.

    The ES had the most comfortable back seat I sampled at an auto show a while ago, minus Maybach and Equus type cars.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I just don't care for that intent

    Yes, but others do, and you imply they don't have the right have those desires. That's ridiculous.

    Your AMG is complete overkill for the USA, who won't ever drive more than 85mph or so. For most buyers it's a lawn ornament to show off their wealth, not a track car used as intended by the designers.

    Intent = meaningless outside of the context of Autobahn driving.

    If anything the ES is at least used as intended.
  • tmarttmart Member Posts: 2,403
    Again, AMEN!!
  • urnewsurnews Member Posts: 668
    I thought this message board was supposed to be about commercials. :)
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited May 2011
    Nobody watches TV anymore, haven't you heard? At least no one under 34. (Spinoff Online).

    Some of us aren't going to YouTube to watch an ad, even if a cute child actor is playing Darth Vader. :)
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,389
    edited May 2011
    The BMW Car Club of America has almost 70,000 dues-paying members. Eleven driving events are currently scheduled for the month of June(twelve if you count the Patroon Chapter's annual concours).

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    IMO, this one is just plain weird. I guess the connection is that all these characters are completely different, yet they all love the Civic. If they were going for cute with the muppet creature, fail!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ox4ZtRuICs
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    edited May 2011
    I'd make myself live with an IS-F if I could get one for free, or maybe an LS if it had some suspension upgrades. Or maybe even a CT for a city-suburbs car. The rest of the lineup...meh, only exists in spirit, to my eyes (and those of consumers in much of the rest of the developed world).

    I wonder how the LS has sold overall since it departed from paying homage to a great...
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    edited May 2011
    Overkill and pointless - LS hybrid. All for show.

    Where have I implied there is no right for Lexus lovers to isolate themselves? Please ante up a quote.

    The ES is intended to drive in the left lane at 58mph? :shades:
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    Toyota got on a trend, now high gas prices and media attention are creating demand.

    CT aint luxury...
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    The discussion here was never about the intended buyer.

    ES more comfortable than LS, S-class, etc? Hard to believe. I tend to drive myself, and in the ES I have driven, it was smooth and numb, but not remarkably comfortable otherwise. Like a fancy version of my mom's Camry. Oh wait...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Some of us aren't going to YouTube to watch an ad, even if a cute child actor is playing Darth Vader

    He's back, opening the plant in TN:

    http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/25/tiny-darth-vader-brings-the-force-to-vws-chat- tanooga-plant/

    Cute marketing, and effective, too.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    I thought this message board was supposed to be about commercials.

    Me too.

    I watch some tv, skip past most commercials using tivo. Am still seeing the stupid car commercials of cars sliding sideways, every which way. Got to think, who, besides teen-age boys do these commercials appeal to?

    OK. If it were Amerian branded cars in these spots, and seeing how top management drove 2 US companies into the ground, then you say they don't know what the h--- they are doing. BUT, respected brands such as Honda and Mercedes continue with this nonsense. Teen-age boys do not buy new cars.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    He's back, opening the plant in TN

    I saw the still from the video. :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Without a doubt they lead the pack. And you don't even have to own a BMW. One of our Subaru Crew members used to ring out his Outback at their events, LOL.

    Funny thing was, he got to drive at 10/10ths, while the Bimmer owners didn't really get to do that.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    So you like 3 different Lexus? I'm book-marking that post for later use/evidence. ;)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Your mom drives a Camry? I'm writing that one down, too. ;)
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Heck, I've been a member of the Cadillac-LaSalle Club since 1994.

    Cadillac-LaSalle Club
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    edited May 2011
    Overkill and pointless - LS hybrid. All for show.

    At least there's no gas guzzler tax.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    edited May 2011
    Yep, and I like a few old ones too. Old SC and original GS - lovely cars.

    Lexus should do a heritage commercial like so many other brands have done. It sells. Many who were too young to afford cars like the first SC when new can buy a new Lexus now. Of course, Lexus then needs to make a worthy follow-up.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    If someone is blowing 6 figures, they have no right to complain about guzzler tax :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Too soon? They've only been around for a couple of decades.

    The F team has proven they can tune worthy cars. The conservative leadership just has to let them loose on a few more models.

    Perhaps the new IS and GS ought to have REAL sport packages, and not just for the IS-F style models.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It's not the money that the guzzler tax costs, it's the image penalty that comes with it.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    http://uk.autoblog.com/2011/05/27/lexus-tops-satisfaction-survey-but-ford-and-va- uxhall-fail-to-imp/

    The Lexus IS came first in the long-running survey, while the RX took third position, helping the manufacturer take a record eleven years at the top.

    In the UK, no less.

    The door's open, customers are receptive to the brand. Lexus has a good opportunity to penetrate the market with a solid redesign of the IS and GS models.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    Most people on the street have no idea which cars pay that tax. They see a badge, thoughts stop there.

    LS hybrid is pointless.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    edited May 2011
    "once again" but they barely sell on that side of the pond. Proof JDP isn't the end all be all.

    No diesel GS = failure in Europe. And if the rumored appearance is true, it will be marginal here too, so bland.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,522
    Not really too soon, especially as one can debate some of the older models are more exciting than the new ones.

    Why would the leadership stop high prestige cars from being made? The AMG/M/S-RS series have infinite clout that trickles down throughout the brand.
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