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Can't say that for Hyundai buyers, at least not historically.
It's still just as big a change, IMHO.
Can't say that for Hyundai buyers, at least not historically.
What's that supposed to mean? You sound as though you're stuck in the 90's. Hyundai has moved on, and you should too.
The Genesis is perfectly positioned. A base Genesis will probably cost 2-3K more than the top of the line Azera, a fine car in its own right.
Genesis... so cheap, even a cave man can buy it. :P
I'd wager the Genesis out-sell the number of units Phaeton sold a whole year (pick a year) in a month.
The Genesis looks like more of a Passat than a Phaeton.
Hyundai has moved upscale from their previous position, but they're still a mainstream brand. VW was a step above mainstream, some say they still are. Not so for Hyundai.
The good credit comment was a cheap shot (no harm intended), but what I meant by that was that Hyundai is still selling $10,999 Elantras, and the people that buy those do not likely have the same credit scores as VW customers do.
If they did, they probably would not be buying such an inexpensive car (without A/C, as discussed earlier) in the first place.
Perhaps Hyundai is the people's car (brand) in the US, covering from the lower end of the specturm, all the way up 'till the upper limit
The Genesis seems like a good value for people who can live without the 'snob' appeal of a luxury badge.
Toyota Crown (not quite as high-end as the LS, though), but they don't sell that one here.
People naturally think the Genesis competes directly with the above, but I have a little different take on it. I think there's a large segment of the car buying public that buy the best car they can afford.
That's why I think Genesis could grab some Accord, Camry, and Altima buyers. People buy those cars because they're reliable, comfortable, affordable cars. But,,, for around 5K more, you can get a true luxury car with a much better warranty in the Genesis.
In other words, I think many buyers will buy up to the Genesis from the mom car segment instead of buying down from the luxury segment.
I think the Genesis is a notch above those cars. They're just cushy versions of the Altima and Camry. Does the Maxima and Avalon even have a V8 option?
I'll wait for a road test before I make a definite judgment, but I have higher expectations for the Genesis.
Well, a Yugo had a 4cyl, and so does my Toyota. I don't think they compare.
All kidding aside, I think the Genesis has more sophisticated engines and suspensions than Avalon and Maxima.
The Avalon and Maxima are really in the same class as the Azera, Avalon being the more direct competitor.
264hp on the Azera (s/b bumped up next year with the new generation of engine + increased fuel efficiency); 268hp on the Avalon
The same engine from the Azera on the Genesis will be good for 290, which is expected to generate the bulk of the delivery.
The jewel, its V8, will put out 375hp, and giving no grounds, the smaller V6 (3.3L) will have a power rating of 264hp (which is absolutely fantastic)
I never said/implied Toyota/Honda owners should just mosey over to Hyundai. It's their money, they can spend it however they'd want to. That said, if I was saying something to that effect, then I would suggest more consumers putting Hyundai vehicles on their shopping list in the first place, you know, less bias...
If one was to go from a(n) Camry/Accord/Avalon to a Genesis, it'd really be an upgrade
P.S.
I did
For Joe Consumer, I bet a lot of Avalon buyers don't even know which axle gets power.
I looked hard at the Avalon, but went with the Azera. Traded in a Camry XLE V6.
Seems like an honest review.
Bear in mind, however that the V6 and V8 are different animals. So are
the Asian and US models
Hyundai had better hope for better reviews from other media. I bet their press fleet will be V8s here.
What's funny is that he would say about 100 words and then they would translate them in to a 5 word sentence.
I take it as one man's opinion, though...was he serious about this FR vehicle drives just like FF? Funny how I have yet to find one RWD car, good or bad, having the same driving characteristic as a FWD car. Looks I will have to get behind the wheel of this
His VDC point doesn't make a lot of sense either. One of the commentators at the link is right - the rear kicked out when VDC was on but he couldn't feel it when VDC was off??
FWIW, the suspension for the NA spec Genesis is tuned differently. The V8 (which isn't available in the domestic market) also has a different setup. The guy seems a bit cynical about the prices, which to be fair, is a lot more than the forthcoming pricing range in the US, for example. Still, it hasn't stopped the Koreans grabbing one. The Genesis is the top luxury sedan sold so far two months into the new year in the market.
I can't help but to think the guy probably drove a 3er just before
Agree, not in the trim in which the reviewer drove it.
However, the USA versions with bigger engines should be tuned much more like a true sport sedan. The version the reviewer drove may be a bump in spring rate away from being a great handling car.
Thx!
Craig
True, but it isn't likely to stay the same on USA models, and especially V8's. Higher rate springs and shocks (and tires) make a world of difference in handling, even with a more forward weight distribution.
A good example of this is aftermarket springs. People that add aftermarket performance springs report their car's personality completely change, at a small sacrifice to ride. Of course, you chalk up some of that to placebo effect.
I don't think we should assume the US model will be stiffer.
Nothing wrong either way, different markets have different perferences.
Hyundai should host one of those ride-and-drive events. They have to get consumers in their cars, to create a buzz.
Creative marketing is needed. Especially since the auto market overall just sucks right now.
Creative marketing is needed. Especially since the auto market overall just sucks right now.
Agreed 100%. Based on some articles I've read, that's exactly what Hyundai USA plans to do:
We’re going to have a long presell to get people familiar with the idea. We’ll start with some invitation-only rides, where people can drive the car not just at an event, but for up to a week. We will put the car in the hands of opinion leaders, like politicians, journalists and other VIPs. At the same time, we’ll have ride-and-drive events for consumers. In the spring you will start to see teasers, like theater spots, and the print will begin.
We’re aligning ourselves with Concours d’Elegance [a national tour that presents luxury autos at high-end venues] as a backdrop to a ride-and-drive event. But we’ll also begin to align ourselves with some new brands, which we are figuring out right now. We are going to align ourselves with golf in places that we haven’t been before, and some premium restaurants as well. This is going to be the biggest Hyundai campaign ever, and it’s going to go pretty hard.
We’ll still have some of the same kind of platforms, of course. The Genesis will have a strong Internet campaign [Hyundaigenesis.com launched earlier this month]. And we’ll broaden our TV buys, including Monday Night Football [on ESPN] and Fox NFL football. We will continue to do our NBA stuff.
That's good, because higher spring rates alone do not mean better handling. I remember when the Mustang Cobra actually had lower spring rates than the Mustang GT, when it first came out.
Let's see what the US model feels like.
How does alpha-numeric gibberish denote luxury??
At least is wasn’t called a Rabbit, an Escort, a Golf, a Pinto, a Dart, or a Satellite!!
And what does that have to do with their SUVs, which feel entirely different?
FWIW, the Santa Fe has the most satisfied owners in its class.
Quite possibly they are doing too much at the same time with too little financial, design and engineerign resources.
Look at all the complaints on the Hyundai forums.