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Yeah I guess the Germans are the engineering gods!On top of that the Ford engine has more horse power and more torque.
Ford also backs their cars with 3 year 36,000. VW has the worst in the industry, 2 year 24,000.
So if the product is so darn good then why don't they back em up!
I can't imagine Ford backing up a Duratech for ten years, but it's a decent engine for what it is...not particularly exciting. I think the VR6 is tweaker for hi octane to get the most of out it, and to enhance the driving experience. I can't see diminishing this with the use of lower octane fuel. Give it what the engineers ask for.
Dunno if Ford could do 10 years on the 2.5L, but it is a very exciting engine with low octane requirements.
Sorry to disagree with you, but the VR-6 is overrated. Most people drive these cars to and fro, so are you telling me that the performance of each of the engines makes much difference in a daily commute.
What data do you have to infer that Ford wouldn't back the Duratec for 10 years. Or more to the point - why are you inferring that the VW engine is superior?
I was matching the 200 horsepower 3.0 against the VR 6. The 2.5 does a nice job too.
I guess Ford doesn't have the snob appeal of the VR-6?
The specs of an engine on paper really tell very little about it. This is like buying a car based on what you see on paper. AS an example, a Ferrari V8 might not look at good on paper as a Lexus V8, but man, what a difference! And yes, a Lexus V8 will run longer and with less maintenance, and it will cost less to rebuild, etc. But so what? The Ferrari just has that certain something that enthusiasts love and will pay for.
It's all in the driving. I personally find a VW with a VR6 engine about fifty times more fun than driving anything with a Duratech V-6...perhaps this is because of the car they attach to the engine, I will grant you. Perhaps it is how I drive. Duratech's fine, I have no complaint. All I'm saying is that a VW with the VR6 engine is a lot of fun to drive...it is NOT the smoothest, or the most powerful...never claimed it was, nor is it even my FIRST choice for a V6....just saying it is a very fun car to drive, and I compliment VW for making it a real driver's car.
That being said, my point was to encourage the owner of a VR6 Jetta to use the engine's full potential.
If you want to start a foreign vs. domestic argument, please feel free to open a topic on that subject, maybe in the Sedans or Coupes Boards. This discussion is for someone who wants info on his VW.
I'm fortuate too that I haven't had any issues with mine, the entire car seems like quality. I do hear stories though, as you do on any car, and I'm still thinking about the extended warranty as mine approaches 24K very fast.
What happened to Ford Contour? What Happend to Ford Taurus SHO. In the last two years of SHO, they even wasted money to develop a V-8 for it.
VR-6 is a compact engine. Someone was saying Contour Duratec V-6 is better than VW Jetta VR-6.
I tell you something. VW drives and feels solid at 40 or 90MPH. I had a 85 Jetta with 1.8L engine. In ice and snow, that 2400 Ibs car handled better than anything else I have ever owned (including my current 96 Toyota Camry XLE V-6)
It is NOT the point how fast you can, it is how good, solid, and stable you are going fast. I bet that is the area the VW Jetta will outdo Ford Contour V-6.
died...
SHO
Too expensive for what you get and too expensive
to maintain. The 235 HP V8 wasn't enough
extra kick to make people cough up the extra $$$.
The thing cost 30k new, and got clobbered by
cheaper, faster cars. (Pontiac Grand Prix GTP,
Buick Regal GS, and Camry V6 5-speed to name a
few)
The SHO was also a horror to maintain. The
scariest thing I've heard about it was the spark
plug replacement procedure. On many cars you can
just pop them out. On some (mostly FWD) cars
(like my friend's Dodge Stratus) removal of the
manifold is required. Not so with the SHO.
To replace plugs in the SHO, you had to remove
the *engine*. Enough to scare me off.
FYI, the SHO's V8 was a Yamaha engine, though I
think Ford did some of the work on it.
Contour
Looked like an Escort, isn't lot bigger than an
Escort, and cost more like a Taurus.
The Contour's not totally dead though. It's sold
in Europe (& probably other markets) as the
Mondeo, and just got a redesign.
The SVT Contour is the only one that really had
much of a chance. I've seen a number of reviews
putting the Contour on top against A4 2.8's and
(stripped- no sport package) BMW 323s in terms of
performance.
The regular Contour was a sales dud though, and
took the SVT down with it.
Thanks
Tyler
Congrats on the WE! I test drove one (for grins) a few weeks ago. One word: SWEET!
-Jim
http://www.jettaownersclub.org
http://www.bluelagoonjetta.com
Shame it was built in Mexico. Typical fall-apart domestic car quality.
There are two major reasons why I think VR6 engine is worth a lot of respect. First, it is designed to be fit in a small car like Jetta, which is almost a size of Civic (175/68 in.)! Is there any other car of this size with V6? Not on this planet. This idea, to make a v6 engine specially designed for small cars, is something American and Japanese car companies never even imagine. VW did it and did an excellent job.
Second, this engine is designed for low-mid range punch (181lb/3200rpm vs 169lb/5500rpm for Contour). I do not mean to criticise SVT, but high power/high rpm engine is quite a straightforward approach. Yes, Contour's 200hp/6600rpm and 169lbs/5500rpm is respectable figures but 80hp/litter is quite ordinary value as a high rpm sport engine. On the other hand, 181lbs/3200rpm/2.8L are outstanding numbers, which is often overlooked, if you are interested in only the number of horses.
Most importantly, the actual driving experience of VR6 is just wonderful. Considering these facts, I think VR6 engine deserves to be called "technically outstanding engine". Any opinions?
The base 2.5L V6 in the Contour has 165lbs/4250rpm - certainly more drivable than SVT - and needs only 87 octane. Not bad considering it's only a $495 upgrade charge over the base 130hp I4. VW wants a BIT more for the VR6 over the 2.0L or even the 1.8T.
It's funny that you mention body size in your comparison. Your Jetta might be smaller than a midsize, but it weighs over 100 pounds more than my Accord Coupe, which is 14.3 inches longer! 3106 pounds (GLX 5-speed) is a portly weight for a compact. Weight doesn't help out with handling.
I just don't understand how the car gained some 600 Ibs. over the 85 model?! The new 2001 Civic Sedan dash reminds of VW Jetta's. Japanese are copying Germans? No!!!!
-Jim
http://www.jettaownersclub.org
http://www.bluelagoonjetta.com
http://www.greg-jordan.com
Go to the VR6 Page, the article is on a link on the left.
I did write the tuning box maker and asked them if the box contributed to my problem. They say the injection pump can only put out the volume of fuel it was designed to.
I've talked to other diesel owners American made and foreign and they all say they have had lots of trouble when the weather gets real cold.
My wife has a 2000 Jetta TDI and loves it. It is not quite a VR6 but she routinely gets 50 mpg. I top off her tank once a month and she has well over a 700 mile range. With the 5 speed it has enough horsepower for her and she thinks she is in a sports car the way it drives... and I could afford to buy it for her. She loves it.
I don't think I could get excited about a Contour, even if it had lots of power. My friend had a 4 cyl one and I rode in it. It was like riding in the family sedan. The interior was so... mature looking.
My last car was an 87 BMW with over 220,000 miles on it when I traded it in on this VW. The Bimmer didn't rattle at all, and it was paid for. Gee, I miss that car!
The VW is not all bad: most days I really enjoy it, if the rattles will just stay away. Its no BMW, but it beats everything else I've tried.
I've been looking at the Jetty. I am now in need of 4 doors and I want a car that has them but still looks sporty. I like the looks of the Jetty. I just finished reading all the many problems people have had with their Jetty and wonder if some of them will be taken care of in the 2001 model. I think some cars just come out as lemons and it's just a persons bad luck to purchase one of them. I am apprehensive now but will continue to research the Jetty. I am also interested in the Dodge Intrepid. Any comments or suggestions? Thanks, Sandra
and "Chevy" with a "v" not a "w".
Sorry for the errors. Should have used the spell check!
Also, the Honda salesman said there is no trip-meter in the Civic. I don't think he knows what he's talking about (he also said that the front suspension was still double wish-bone when I know I read that it is now McPherson strut). I can't imagine a car these days not having a trip-meter, especially if it had it previously. Why take it out?
I like the Jetta, but I think that since its fuel economy is not up to the Civic's, that may be the deciding factor for me. The crash test results look like they are in Honda's favor, as well.
I will also suggest that you do much, much more research on the Jetta, and any other car you are considering, than just here in these complaint forums.
Check out the crash tests at http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov
The Jetta is one of the top safest cars on the road. In spite of what was stated in post #833, the Jetta has the Civic beat hands down on safety with side and head (curtain) airbags as standard equipment. The Jetta is classed with Mercedes and Volvo when it comes to safety.
As a sidenote: No car manufacturer makes every car perfect. They all make lemons. And you'll definitely read about them all here, Honda, VW, Toyota, whatever...
Shop your local VW dealer and check their history and record before buying. Inspect their repair shop.
If you decide on a Jetta, you will not have a more fun experience in a car in this price range. VW builds excitement into their cars. It's difficult to explain to non-Jettites and once you get a Jetta, then you'll say, "Ahhhh! *Now* I see what you all were talking about." And all those weird VW TV commercials will all make sense. ;-)))
-Jim
http://www.jettaownersclub.org
http://www.bluelagoonjetta.com
Is the low ground clearance (4.1 in) a serious problem? Any concern and bad experience with it? All WV/Audio cars have this characters. Why?
-Jim
http://www.jettaownersclub.org
http://www.bluelagoonjetta.com
-Jim
http://www.jettaownersclub.org
http://www.bluelagoonjetta.com
The cavalier has a 2.5L 4 cylinder engine that makes 150 hp and gets 5 more mpg on the highway than the 1.8T. The cavalier runs on 87, the VW on premium. The VW is the nicer car by far, but I have to wonder about the efficiency of the motor.
I'd say the premium fuel requirements are nothing more than a way to make up for a lack of engineering knowledge, or a band-aid for when your engine design dept. fails to meet it's objective. When designing that new inline 6, GM had a requirement of 255 hp on 87 octane, when they were done they somehow had 270.
Once again, i'm not a GM fan, I just used them as an example because they can build some awesome engines, they just don't know how to design or build the rest of the car.
also the Z24 is a 2.4l not 2.5l which does 150hp.
anyways since the 1.8T engine requires premium but pumps out only 150hp, might as well put in a chip to let it push out 180hp instead. Since u're paying premium gas might as well make it give out more horses right? hahahahah
I do love to drive the Jetta, having come from a '96 Civic DX, this one feels much more solid, and it actually gets better gas mileage (by a hair), than my Civic did, which is important to me. I'm remaining open-minded about buying another one, though if only because it seemed to me that I had a harder/sleazier time acquiring the Jetta than I did the Civic.