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Upshot: It is a real world, duplicate able procedure, simulation of what the so called AVERAGE user would do an oil change, think etc. The procedural anomaly is every 1000 miles (up to 18 times for the Amsoil competitor and 14 times for the Amsoil) there is an oil analysis test so ANYONE can see the progression.
Perhaps the real issue: you did not like the AMSOIL progression, especially since Amsoil was pooped out at 14,000 miles while it had a guarantee of 25,000 miles!!??
Further the "other oil" lasted 4,000 more miles and is commonly known to only be good for 15,000 miles?
Oil analysis really had it start literally generations ago. How do you know a fluid is doing its job or has a useful oil life remaining? Test and measure against known standards: new product, product that has been used. Airline maintenance was where it was extensively used To me it is removing the wool from the eyes of FALSE advertising.
No one has made a case for the/a test being "scientific". A test, yes. Can you duplicate?? ABSOLUTELY. Anyone can take a sample and send it away to a laboratory of their choice.
It is instructive only you have insinuated that some one (nobody actually) is making that claim of scientific validity. Indeed "science will not make good on the warranty should you/anyone feel as a consumer you would want or need it!!??
Indeed the irony is MANY if not all Amsoil sites I have checked out and truly I have NOT checked all or most of them, do sell OIL ANALYSIS KITS!!!??? So indeed if oil analysis is not "SCIENTIFIC" why are these Amsoil dealers selling them!!?? These "to use your thought process "unscientific" products!!??
You should stop the explanations, for they are becoming more disingenuous, the more you explain them.
Paradoxically, lower cost is what led us to Amsoil in the first place? If I knew what deductive reasoning was, would I sense a trend here?
I might be the only fool on this thread, but I do not NECESSARILY see the Amsoil results of being fully depleted at 14,000 miles with a 25,000 mile guarantee as unsalvageable. You might have probably missed this, but that is the upfront and to you probably hidden reason for the questions on WARRANTY.
Upshot: Will a vendor of Amsoil/Amsoil (in a timely manner) pay for the shown to be "necessary oil analysis at 12,500 miles and the products and services needed to change oil to go to 25,000 miles or another 12,500 miles? ( you know, bring it right over on the next weekend? to we are waiting for the second coming and not even HE who is coming knows when that is!? )
So given the LACK of answers, I would be a fool to expect warranty fulfillment!!??
After the oil analysis I will let you guys know the results.
I know, the by-pass filter setup was not considered for the 25k mile guarantee, but what the heck.
Would someone give me the short explanation of dual filter bypass setup?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
The whole system is about 200 bucks plus installation, so not everyone would be interested, especially considering that most people only keep their cars for less than 100k miles or 4 or 5 years.
The rationale is that if you keep your vehicle for a long time, you might recover the investment because your engine will last longer. Impossible to prove, of course.
My intention is to keep my 2001 Echo for at least 400k miles. I will never know, if and when it reaches that mileage, if it was due to good filtering of the oil.
The rest of the car will fall apart by then, who knows.
By the way, there are several other dual filter setups, some of them use toilet paper as a filter media, others simply are used to relocate a hard to reach filter and also to add oil capacity to the system. This allows for bigger filters, better engine cooling and longer OCI's.
Another to consider would be a pre oiler system. A pre oiler uses electrical motors to circulate oil before start up(hence PRE oilers) so there is little to no dry contact.
The benefit: Fully 80% of the engine wear is due to so called dry contact at start up or cold temperatures. Since synthetic oil (for example) is not a magic elixer it does NOT STOP dry contact from happening. It does have a tendency to flow faster and better than conventional oil, thus cutting down the dry contact time.
Best Regards,
Shipo
A scientific test would involve several engines identicle as possible all operated the same way, then several oil samples taken taken from each tested a relable labs.
Who knows what these guys agenda was and who did they work for. If it's on a website does that make it true?
You're credibility went through the floor when you recommend the Wal Mart house brand of oil filter, just because it's made by company X, at $2.07 it must be a real jewel, HA!
You are fast and loose when casting aspersions about the agendas of other folks, however, the only folks around here who seems to have an agenda are the handful of individuals that subscribe to the official Amsoil doctrine.
"If it's on a website does that make it true?"
Uh-huh, and if it's on your personal web site (or Amsoil's for that matter) we're supposed to believe it?
"You're credibility went through the floor when you recommend the Wal Mart house brand of oil filter, just because it's made by company X, at $2.07 it must be a real jewel, HA!"
There is a shortage of credibility for some folks around here, however, ruking1 has a significant amount of empirical evidence to draw upon when he posts.
Best Regards,
Shipo
synthetic
From sampling and testing on the bobistheoilguy website I've become a believe in the quality of some oil filters being much higher than their price implies. And I've become a believe in high-priced oil filters not meaning their better.
The particular Walmart filter is made by a quality company. Having tried other generic brands that Walmart has contracted for I've become a believer but always with an open mind.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Best Regards,
Shipo
For the 0w30, ELF has a host of diesel oil products. However, Elf sells at considerable premiums'. It can be complex, yet at the same time very specific. Folks who have done the oil analysis have shown GREAT numbers (less wear, by products, etc.) This is a bit controversial for some of the newer VW TDI's the 5w40 viscosity does provide film buffer (so to speak)essential for LOWER to non existent camshaft wear. It is also a well researched and actually corrected OEM recommendation .
If cost is a parameter, off the shelf products, such as: Shell's Rotella and Rotella T (synthetic, PAO III hydro cracked) are also very good bets. They test extremely well with 10,000 and less OCI's
Why bother? Doing the above is a total waste of money for a 5,000 mile oil change. Might just as well use a Fram filter and Dino Juice. :P
Best Regards,
Shipo
Best Regards,
Shipo
Thanks for the reply
What kind of traffic?
Krzys
OCI. What would you say about Pennzoil Platinum? can I use it
for 10k miles too? It's an '02 Accord with 43k miles on odometer. Thank You!
Regarding your Accord, Hondas as a rule are fairly easy on their oil and so 10,000 miles with most synthetics is probably well within reason. That said, there is no way I would trust that little factoid with out verifying its accuracy. Were I in your shoes, I would choose your poison, err oil, run it for 5,000 miles (synthetic oils in general and Mobil 1 in particular have a tendency to do some clean-up work when first introduced into an engine that hasn't used it before), and change it out. For your second fill of your synthetic of choice I would go say 7,500 miles, take a small sample and send it in for analysis. A week or so later you'll have your proof as to whether or not that oil is good for 10,000 miles (or more) in your car.
Keep us posted on how you make out. ;-)
Best Regards,
Shipo
P.S.
I specified the grade of Mobil 1 that I use simply because different grades use slightly (or not so slightly) different formulations, and as such, are not covered by the UOAs that I've had done.
How many miles do you plan to put in 3 or 5 months?
What kind of traffic will you encounter?
Krzys
My pleasure.
And we don't hide our agenda we are passionate about the products and love to share.
Uh-huh, and if it's on your personal web site (or Amsoil's for that matter) we're supposed to believe it?
I think a reasonable person would give more credence to a company website that belongs to an outstanding company that has been in business for 35 years and could have something to lose if they were found doing deceptive trade practices as compared to a group of good old boys turned scientific oil testers, or a website that you seem to refer to at each drop of the hat called Bob's that's sponsored by oil companies.
There is a shortage of credibility for some folks around here, however, ruking1 has a significant amount of empirical evidence to draw upon when he posts.
So I can surmise this empirical evidence is if you go by his recommendations you won't be pulling a piano down the road? Or no could it be that you all have a vested interest in the Bob's sight, which is a money making operation and is not PBS online, or could it be you must own stock in WalMart, BP and Exxonmobil? It's about time to change the batteries on your empirical thesaurus.
Absolutely NOT for the first silly graphic. Definitely NOT for the rest of "thinly veiled " and grossly misdirected accusations of "profiteering" questions. This is a very interesting attempt at misdirection, being as how the one doing the misdirecting is in fact a self described Amsoil VENDOR !!?? If you are not, I would stand corrected.
I would assume Amsoil vendors makes profit selling AMSOIL products and who would get residual income from "recruits" to the "MLM WAY" multiple level marketing. Indeed, among others, Amsoil vendors advertise and market freely on Bobistheoilguy.com.
Indeed when ANY (an Amsoil) vendor takes extreme umbrage to an administrative housekeeping logistical almost (in my opinion)NON issue, I would say I did a service in the spirit of "Buyer Beware".
Incidently, the question has yet to be answered. When the product has been shown to be depleted by oil analysis kits showing Amsoil to be depleted at 14,000 miles, when the product is guaranteed for 25,000 miles: as is in reference to the 18,000 mile Camaro Amsoil vs Mobil One "shoot out", how does one get Amsoil products replaced?
Am I alone here in not being able to understand anything this guy says???
The Sandman :confuse: :confuse:
I guess it does NOT!!???
I bet it is the same line of thought the ENRON stockholders had before it sunk.
Nothing frees you from using your own head. You love Amsoil - drink it. Just do not claim that everything else is junk.
Krzys
The car has over 6K miles. The oil minder is at 30%. The oil looks DARK! I'm dying to find out that the oil analysis says.
Krzys
Said another way, this oil is showing itself to be VERY compatible with our engines, winter or summer, urban crawl or high speed rural highway, it makes no matter. For your van (did I read that correctly, 1,000 miles per year?) my bet is that the Mobil 1 0W-40 (which is considered to be a "light" 40) will perform very well.
On a slightly different tack, if it's true that you are only driving 1,000 miles per year, how long does the van sit between starts? I ask because synthetic oil isn't necessarily the best oil to use if the van is going to sit for months at a time. The problem here is that the synthetic oil is so good at keeping the innards of the engine clean that the ordinary varnish that forms from conventional oil is washed away and kept away. Not necessarily a bad thing in a high use vehicle, however, that same varnish can protect internal engine parts from rust and corrosion that WILL threaten an infrequently used engine.
My general rule of thumb is this: for my limited use engines (garden tractor, lawn mower, snow blower and generator) I use conventional oil, and for my high use engines (cars), I use Mobil 1 0W-40 (or German made Castrol Syntec 0W-30).
Best Regards,
Shipo
What do you think about car that gets limited mileage put on it, but is still run frequently? One case would be a vehicle that is driven daily but mostly on short trips (less than 5 miles) and gets maybe 3000 miles in a year. Another would be longer trips (eg. typical daily use being 10 miles each way to work and back), but still only 6000-8000 miles per year.