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Well, that's certainly reassuring... :P
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Spoken like a true Scamzoil salesman, all noise, no substance.
What can I possibly gain beyond decades of complete satisfaction that I already have?
"Spoken like a true Scamzoil salesman, all noise, no substance."
Actually spoken like a scientist that helped put our astronauts on the space station and back. And brought many a jet pilot back after his engine failed.
All truth and substance.
The more I re-read the thread, the more it sounded like "deja vu all over again". Check out this small sample of the gimpster's posts:
#2201 "IT WORKS.
I will always use Amsoil. I sell it,install it,and run it in all of my vehicles since 1992.
I have had no problems from any customers,and ALL go extended drain, 2002 models, to 1966 models.
Saves time, money, fuel & environment."
#2826 "Amsoil over Mobil 1 .....For sure...ANY DAY!
Doubt,Doubt,Doubt is all ya do.....I guess fire doesn't burn too.....Get a CLUE!"
and lastly,
#2936 "Yes.I did the Filter at 10,400 & Oil at 21,000. All the lubricants in the RX have been changed over to Amsoil. I have about ten lexus[sic] vehicles on Amsoil extended drain. They all love it.I have NEVER had one problem with any Amsoil products till the GIMPY Rx."
Now in all fairness, gimpy never claimed to run Mission Control in Houston, but still...
Plus ça change :P
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
AMSOIL did and still do cover the sludge engines. AMSOIL paid claims and was later reimbursed by the vehicle manufacturer when it was determined the engine caused the sludging, not the oil.
I suggest reading the thread just like Mr. Shiftright and I did.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
Sounds like even more Amsoil hogwash, glittering generalities; absolutely zero substance to back it up.
"I suggest reading the thread just like Mr. Shiftright and I did."
I don't see any written correspondance as to why his claim was denied. I do see that he had glycol in his oil, which would sludge his engine no matter which oil was used. And that these engines sludged regardless of oil or oil change intervals. I don't see how that is AMSOIL's fault, and AMSOIL was reimbursed regardless of extended oil change intervals, as the law requires.
The end result is that the sludged engines are being repaired by the vehicle manufacturer under warranty. And that AMSOIL was never at fault.
Please post documentation of claims AM$OIL paid and of which engines and their manufacturers who acknowledged that their enginer was at fault and reimbursed AM$OIL.
I am really, really interested in how much AM$OIL has stood behind their claims of coverage to protect the end consumer.
P.S.: My brother machined parts on some of the Mercury satellite projects. I am now an expert.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Boy am I glad to see you acknowledge that fact. There are people in the forums (and some PR people who frequented said forums to try to minimize impact of the discussions at the time) who still believe there is NO sludging on Toyota engines that was anything other than customer neglect.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Thanks for this "find." It has made my day.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
"Sounds like even more Amsoil hogwash, glittering generalities; absolutely zero substance to back it up."
Not sure what you want here. I used to supervise, make and test Shell 405 Hydrazine catalyst used in all of the APU systems in all the space shuttles which provided power to control all the flight, landing and hydraulic control systems. A similar catalyst is used in the Emergency Power Units for all F-16 fighter jets, so they can have flight and landing control should their single jet engine turn off. I still consult for a NASA rocket builder today.
What!!! They don't use Amzoil?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
"Please post documentation of claims AM$OIL paid and of which engines and their manufacturers who acknowledged that their enginer was at fault and reimbursed AM$OIL.
I am really, really interested in how much AM$OIL has stood behind their claims of coverage to protect the end consumer."
http://www.performanceoiltechnology.com/mcfallarticle_aug05.pdf
Measuring up
“We receive about 20 miscellaneous vehicle
warranty claims per year,” reported Albert’s
son, Alan Amatuzio, executive vice presi-
dent and chief operating officer. “We inves-
tigate each one comprehensively, examine
maintenance records, mileage, type of ser-
vice and repair invoices. We conduct
phone interviews and hire independent
expert investigators and engineers to
review failed parts and write an
Investigative Findings Report documenting
our results and send it to the claimant.
“Only in rare instances when we cannot
find an explanation for the problem, even
though the lubricant is not to blame, do
we accept a claim. Paid claims have
amounted to exactly two in the last two
years, which speaks volumes given the
quantity of oil we sell. It was later deter-
mined that both paid claims were ulti-
mately the result of manufacturing errors
on behalf of a major automotive OEM.
For the sludger lists and extended warranty coverage:
https://www.amsoil.com/dealer/techservicesbulletin/MotorOil/TSB MO-2005-09-29%- - 20Engine%20Sludge%20Issues.pdf
And the BBB has listed no warranty issues with AMSOIL for the past 8 years, and likely never has.
But, lets face it, the only person who is going to benefit from my using Mobil1 religiously in our Volvo XC, Porsche Cayenne, Chev Silverado, etc. is going to be an $8 per hour warehouse worker who I will never meet. He'll benefit because as the fourth owner of one of these vehicles he will be getting a modest increment of additional life out of the engine. All because of ME!
More to the point, it is probably hard to justify using synthetic oil and decent oil change intervals unless you are the kind of person who keeps his vehicles beyond 100,000 miles.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
That would be me. My wife's 2004 X3 2.5 has a tick over 88K, and my 1999 Wrangler Sahara has 107K. My 1995 3er has over 120K on it. All on Mobil 1.
By the way, your fleet is pretty impressive.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
Son's: 2018 330i xDrive
The fact remains that all you've been doing is polluting this forum with the same tired old Amsoil bilge and misleading marketing hype that has very little basis in fact.
The fact remains that all you've been doing is polluting this forum with the same tired old Amsoil bilge and misleading marketing hype that has very little basis in fact.."
I have provided facts. Nothing misleading. No hype. You seem to have provided nothing but personal attacks.
You seem to have been questioning my honesty. NASA and the USAF never did.
I have a science degree with a chemistry minor.
Retired from Shell Oil after 28 years, mostly in the Shell Research/Technology/Development Center in chemstry. I was the Shell Answer Man for the solvents business for several years, formulating products for paint and plastic manufacturers. Developed new gasoline and racing products. The past 5 years I've had my own oil business, consulting to over 350 clients.
And you?
"AMSOIL did and still do cover the sludge engines. AMSOIL paid claims and was later reimbursed by the vehicle manufacturer when it was determined the engine caused the sludging, not the oil. "
Your response
“Only in rare instances when we cannot
find an explanation for the problem, even
though the lubricant is not to blame, do
we accept a claim. Paid claims have
amounted to exactly two in the last two
years, which speaks volumes given the
quantity of oil we sell. It was later determined
that both paid claims were ultimately
the result of manufacturing errors
on behalf of a major automotive OEM.”
Nothing is said about Toyota sludged engines being covered by and paid by Amzoil.
Two claims after "we cannot find an explanation for the problem," i.e., we cannot find a way to blame the driver or something else instead of paying. Grin.
Absolutely nothing is said about "AMSOIL paid claims and was later reimbursed by the vehicle manufacturer." Nothing.
You're going to have to try harder to peddle an over-priced solution for world resource economy when it's not _economical_ on people's wallets.
Got anything with _real_ proof of payments?
Your second link doesn't work.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Then you should be very able to pay advertising costs to Edmunds instead of trying to use free advertising in this discussion.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Wish I had as much time on my hands as you do......... or perhaps if I did, I'd be as looney as those of you who do!!
Thank God for grandchildren
The same problem exists here with the over-priced oils being peddled.
Instead of criticizing some posters, "Wish I had as much time on my hands as you do......... or perhaps if I did, I'd be as looney as those of you who do!!," enjoy your grandkids and scroll past posts you choose not to read.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I've never used Amsoil, but, have considered it. I have NO experience or opinions regarding this product, and honestly, don't know where to find any real/true information about it.
I'm always up for trying something different if there is a benefit/cost effectiveness.
Any ideas? Or is Amsoil (IYO) just snake oil for a car?
So --- NEW DAY, NEW TRY.
Let'a have no more Amsoil discussion, please. If I see it, I'll probably just remove it from the boards so that we can move on to new and more interesting ground.
Okay? Okay!
I don't see anything wrong or off topic with what the Amsoil people are presenting FOR DISCUSSION. After all the topic is synthetic motor oil and as far as I know Amsoil falls into this topic. If they misrepresent their product, you can refute or ignore the posts because I seriously doubt any of the regular posters would switch to Amsoil based on what has been presented here.
If anyone has violated Edmund's policies it would be the individuals making personal attacks.
This Amsoil guy cracks me up . Providing us with good belly aching laughs with his research ! :P
The economy is most certainly in the dumps- Oil guys have to post on the internet for maintaining their jobs !!
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=3&page=1
There is a big difference in Edmunds policy toward solicitation when you or another satisifed Zaino customer states one time that you used the product and got good results.
It's quite another when you SELL Zaino and you make multiple posts telling how it "outshines them all!" and "tests conclude that the Zaino used on the space shuttle still sheds water!"
You are quite correct that comments bordering on personal insults are not acceptable, and this is why, after numerous attempts, I would suggest in our hypothetical Zaino disuccsion, to turn away from combat between a Zaino salesman and the people he irritates.
This becomes a "chicken and egg" thing, and just cycles endlessly. The moderator has to break the cycle somehow, and that's what I'm trying to do.
ANYWAY---if you have questions on Edmunds policy, please e-mail. I don'[t want to clutter up this topic with off-topic matters.
Perhaps in the future a regular Amsoil user will join in who is not a sales representative. That would work I think. If you have a neighbor, invite him in!
The car has been driven 1800 miles, mostly at interstate speeds 70-75, over the last 2-3 weeks and the level has dropped maybe 1/8th quart. Normally, I would expect it drop about 1/4 quart because as I neared 4-5000 mark, I would have an oil level down about 3/4 quart and if I were going to leave the oil in longer before changing, I'd add half a quart or more.
So I'm experiencing less oil usage with the one type synthetic by Quaker, while I expected increased usage.
And it seems the car cranks easier when it was left out in the cold in Michigan while visiting there than it did with the standard 10w-30 oils.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I had seen others comment on an easier cranking in the past, and I thought "10W-30 is 10W-30." But there is a difference in the thickening.
My old leSabre has 170,000 miles and it gets to sit outside now. (We're poor and only have a two-car attached garage while 3-car garages are the norm in this area.) At zero Sunday morning it was pretty heavy cranking the '98. However, it's not going to get synthetic because it's a 1998 and all those miles AND I have several quarts of standard oil in the garage left for it to use.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Please remain civil to all members, and let the host deal with all the other issues.
Please continue to enjoy your conversation.
Yeah, I thought that too. Then I found out that "10W" really only means they are the same viscosity at one particular temperature, but does not mean that they are necessarily the same lower temperatures.
I understand now I should have put in 5-30 or 0-30. However the car rarely is cold started while being cooled at winter temps. It's usually in a warmed garage. What you're saying is that the overall chemical properties of the 0W-30 are better then 10W-30.
I should have asked about viscosity when I was asking questions about which of the many different types of synthetics offered were suitable.
In my Cobalt I put the 5W-30 that's the recommended viscosity. But for next year I can use a lighter rated synthetic such as 0W-20 or 0W-30? The Cobalt also is only chilled for 7 hours sitting at school before being started.
I'm reviewing these choices so it might help other neophytes like myself make choices as to what to buy in synthetics if they're reading these posts.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I have always thought that the bigger the spread between the cold and hot viscosity numbers (the "W" vs the " "), the more VI improvers were needed; and that it is the VI improvers that wear out over time. So, with this line of reasoning, 10W-30 is "better" chemically than 0W-30.
Or is this just an old wives' tale I've been carrying around all these years :P ?
The best oil is the one that is recommended by the manufacturer.Check the owner`s manual . And I would say synthetic is better than conventional. My Toyota dealer uses Pennzoil Full synthetic in both my Camry and Lexus GX whereas the Nissan dealer uses valvoline full synthetic in my Quest. Both have been fine. And I use the 6mon/5k mile change interval for the synthetics. :shades:
Better safe than sorry - dont want to risk 25k mile change intervals. That would be- penny wise and pound foolish.
And c`mon--the dealers and the lube places also have to survive ! :P
I've read claims of 25K ++ oil changes----the most interesting one was a guy who claims that test showed his oil "still good". Then he mentioned that he had been changing oil filters periodically during the 25K change. Then he mentioned that he had been adding oil. And then he mentioned that even though his engine bearings "looked like new at 180,000", he changed them anyway.
That's a lot of qualifiers to a "haven't changed my oil in 25,000 miles!" claim IMO.
Who in their right mind would tear down an engine to "inspect" the bearings unless there were indications of imminent failure? However, I'd agree if you're already in there might as well replace them after 180K miles. May as well change the cam bearings as well.
I think if the mfr says to use 10W-30, you can certainly also use 5W-30 or 0W-30, but you should not use 10W-40, 0W-20, or anything where the second number is not 30.
I think 5K oil changes with synthetic (assuming it's not a turbo) are just as crazy as 25K. 6 mo and 5K is a typical schedule with conventional oil, you should certainly be able to double that with synthetic.
On our old minivan, I even go longer than 6 mo with conventional because it does not usually get driven much...I'm at 9 months, but only 2500 miles since the last oil change right now.
After at least 50,000 miles had passed underneath all three of our Minivans, I converted them from 0W-30 to 0W-40 with no apparent loss in fuel economy. The two oldest vans are now nearing 200,000 miles and the "new van" only has 140,000 on the clock. FWIW, all three have the Chrysler 3.8 liter engine in them.
Best regards,
Shipo
I still use 5W-30 in our minivan with 120K mi. But, then, since it gets only limited intermittent use I would not want synthetic and in my climate I don't want anything higher than 5W...so there is not really a heavier option. But maybe when my mazda6 has more miles, I should think about switching from 5W-20 to 5W-30?