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Cougar Support Group - A New Start



  • jimbo_gjimbo_g Posts: 53
    I my have posted this before, but I'd like to see the cougar offered in a "mystic" type paint (similar to the '96 cobra mustang) Of course it would have to be a limited edition. Perhaps a limited run of "mystic Cougar S's"
    what are the odds of seeing a Cougar S pace car at Indy?? That would be a great way to get the car noticed. And you could then offer pacecar replicas to consumers. Just thinkin out loud.
    I better stop before i hurt myself.


    P.S. I love the Zinc Yellow sun and fun package. If all goes well with my recovery from my shoulder suurgery i'll be back to work in time to place my order for one. If not then i'm gonna put my name down for an "S". I'm confident the "S" won't disappoint.
  • coolchickcoolchick Posts: 174
    dkurtz --

    I've got the traction control and I think it's great. I've been using it quite a bit lately because of all the rain/standing water on the roads here.

    The rear wiper isn't that big a deal to me, but it came with the package. I like having the spoiler because it lets you know where the back end of the car is! Makes parking a little easier.

    I really like the fog lights. I don't know that they help night vision especially, but they sure are cool! And, hey, that's part of the reason to buy a kitty, isn't it?
  • stageleftstageleft Posts: 391
    As far as the differences between the Euro Cougar and the US Cougar, do you all know the Euro model costs about 10,000 MORE than the similar-equipped US model? Personally, I'm glad that the Cougar is priced where it is here. Otherwise, I'd still be driving my pickup.

    MWS, just keep the designers doing what they're doing, but if possible, get them to add a little more oomph to the engine (only to keep up with those Acuras I keep tangling with). :^)

    I've never had any trouble with the leather seats in my Cat. I love them, and for me, the lumbar hits just the right place. I'm 6'6", so that may be the difference (finally, a car that's built to fit bigger people!). The fog lights were a must, because with the headlights being high on the front of the car, they don't tend to light the road surface enough by themselves. If they were those super-white bulbs they're putting in Mercedes, then they might be sufficient, but until then the driving lights do their job -- well! Plus, they're not imposing to other drivers on the road, they're not bright yellow/blue, they don't blind people, and they're as functional as they are good looking.

    I have to say that as far as the interior goes, I like the diversity in materials. I really like the fact that there are different colors/shades throughout, and I have the tan leather seats, just to offset that more. I'm never bored with the looks of this car. Since I don't have a garage, my Cat spends a majority of its time outside, sitting in the hot sun. I've never had a problem with the wheel getting too hot, or anything else for that matter. And maybe it's me, but even if I'm wearing shorts in the summertime the seats don't ever seem to burn me, and in the cold weather (I don't know about most of you, but) I wear pants, so the cold doesn't bother me.

    As for the packages, sport/convenience, I have both, and don't think there is any way I would have or could have given up either. The reason is because from a performance standpoint, the lower profile tires tend to roll over less than those with larger sidewalls. As for the comments made about the same tires being on the WindStar -- it's a WindStar. I don't ever remember "performance" being in the same sentence as "MiniVan", no matter what "Sport" tags Chrysler is applying to their new models (Caravan R/T, anyone?). The Cougar is a driver's car, and it shows in every painstaking detail of the car. It embodies the future of automobiles, and I hope it never gets replaced with something that you have to plug into an outlet.

    Thanks for letting me rant and rave, not that you have any choice :^)

    Later all, and Happy Cougaring!
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    Do you really need the fog lights (actually they are driving lights, fog lights are amber in color), and the rear wiper? No, but they do add to the sportyness of the car and are good features to have. During the day I drive around with the parking lights and the driving lights on. Kind of a day time running light effect.

    The 16" tires will hold the road better than the 15". The Cougar is built on an excellent platform that handles beautifully, but the 16" tires aid in handling. Also, if you go with the 15" wheels/tires, your computer will be set to top out at a lower speed than with the 16" tires. The top speed of the Cat with the sports package is 140mph (145mph with the superchip), and I believe the top speed without the package is between 115mph-120mph. I know this may not make a difference to you, but it does make a difference to some people.
    Regardless of the size of tire you choose, get rid of the Firestones! They are crap and will only impede your handling abilities.

    Before MWS joined our group I sent an email to Dan Calhoun (another Brand Manager) about the Cougar and how I would like to see some of the Euro-Cats toys added to the US version. They replied that they would like to include such items, but adding these things will raise the price beyond other cars in its class. Yes the Euro-Cat comes with some great stuff, but it also costs around $38,000 (after UK to US conversion).
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    Preach on Brother Lefty! Preach on!
  • stageleftstageleft Posts: 391
    Thanks brother. I'd still like to see a convertible someday ... (hint, hint)
  • gustafscgustafsc Posts: 361
    By all means, get the convience pkg. The rear defroster and wiper are a must in the snow belt if you want to see anything behind you during a snow session. The side mirrors are 0k, but for knowing where the rest of the traffic is,you need that rear view.

    For handling and performance, put in the sport package. The spoiler is optional, and gets a $200+ credit if deleted. It's useless, and in my opinion, doesn't do anything for the rear of the car. But, that's only MY opinion (ducking flack from others).

    Firestone tires. Depends on how aggressive a driver you are. For the maximum grip, the Goodrich Comp T/A's are best, but for average driving, wear out what came with the car, and then make a decision.

    My $0.02

    Skip G.
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    200hp/195 pounds of torque basic Cougar V6...... (Hint,hint)
  • stageleftstageleft Posts: 391
    I second that motion.
  • fastback2fastback2 Posts: 55
    I third that motion. Too much power is just enough for me.
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    My friend just phoned me to get some advice, she and her Cat were just in a accident. While she was sitting at a light someone hit her from behind. No one was hurt and there was no damage! What a car!

    Kept her safe and didn't get crunched!
  • dgeminidgemini Posts: 161
    Spoilers and Rims:
    I like my spoiler, love the 16 inch rims.

    Will buy new tires soon, I am going to order the BF Goodrich VR4's in the factory size for only 62.00 a tire from Tire Rack.

    Even though for appearance purposes I would prefer a tire with a more aggressive tread pattern you can't get a better V rated all season performance tire for the money.

    Ordering a Cougar:
    Personally, If I had an order in for a Cougar right now I would go for the S model.

    I have driven as far as 1000 miles in a day in my Cougar and have had no problems with the seats.

    Climate Control/Telescoping Steering Wheel:
    I am short (5 ft 3.5 inches) so a wheel that telescopes would be nice, and climate control is neat.

    One car I really wanted to get before I noticed the Cougar was a VR6 equipped Jetta. However the car was not as attractive as the Cougar, and did not offer the bang for the buck value.

    I'll do without the nice to have features and keep the car at a reasonable price.
  • dgeminidgemini Posts: 161
    Glad your friend was OK.

    What is with kitty's are they accident magnets?

    My kitty has been in the body shop twice since December!

    I also had a similar experience as your friend when I had had my kitty for less than a month.

    Fortunately that required no body work.
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    I don't think ordering an "S" is going to be that easy. With only 3000 being manufacturered in 2001, dealers are going to hold tight to the sticker prices.
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    Have a great and safe weekend!

    Talk with all of you on Monday!


    PS - Check out the web site, we added a few things during this past week.
  • panthapantha Posts: 6
    Some comments on the non-advertising of the Cougar.

    It's probably not just me.
    My Citrus Gold Cat . . . the color of butterscotch syrup in the evening light :) . . . gets an astounding amount of attention. People roll down their windows, crane their necks, lower their glasses, to get a better look at the car I'm driving and I think it is brilliant that the New Edge design team created a uniquely designed car with original colors.

    The Car Sells Itself.
    It is a Sculpture on Wheels.

    Unlike the critics, I think the interior design and comfort matches or exceeds the exterior and the performance is wonderful even on the I-4 that I own. (No joke - 37 mpg on a recent road trip).

    This car has changed my life. The exuberance of the car has infected me and I feel like a teenager again at the age of 39. I ADORE this car. I like to drive . . . anywhere . . . and take people with me. A good CD and an empty road is simply . . . Nirvana.

    I am honored to be the owner of a Mercury Cougar.
  • lmigliorelmigliore Posts: 148
    I continue to be astonished at the lack of advertising for the Cougar. I think it's a big factor behind the car's poor sales (that's why our cars attract attention: nobody knows what it is) and may lead to its demise.

    It's good to have a popular car. Look at the Mustang: More accessories are made for it and the manufacturer can afford to put more engineering into updating it. We are being penalized because Ford, for some unknown reason, put out a car and didn't let anyone know about it.

    We in this forum know that the Cougar is a great car; most people don't know it's a car at all because Ford stopped making them in 1996 (?) and never mentioned that they started again. I watch TV. I see ads for all kinds of rolling stock. There's thousands of Camry ads; there's Kia and Subaru and Oldsmobile ads. There's even Lincoln LS ads, so we know that L/M has at least heard of advertising and doesn't expect a good car to sell all by itself. But Cougar ads? Never seen one. What is L/M trying to do? Kill the thing off?
  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Posts: 318
    Folks, I have to side with C&D on the uncomfortable seat issue. When I first got my car, the basic cloth seats were VERY comfortable. They really molded well to my lower back, even though they lacked a lumbar adjustment. I was downright impressed.

    In fact, 3 days after getting my car, I threw out my back -- 2am on a Saturday night, and I was barely able to get out of bed. I had to crawl from my 18th Floor apartment (at the time) to the lowest level of the apartment parking deck (an elevator made it a LITTLE easier) to drive my Cougar to the hospital emergency room.

    Strangely enough, I was fine once I sat down in my new Cougar's seats. No more back pain. I'd found the perfect sitting position. I drove to the hospital and actually sat in the car for about 15 minutes before getting out. I spent 2.5 hours getting checked on to see if I had slipped a disc. I loved the drive home later after morphine and muscle relaxers.

    Now, the seats aren't nearly as comfortable. The padding at the base of the seat (vertical part) seems to have worn away or lost its feeling. I still have back problems, but I can't find a comfortable position in the seat from which I can operate the clutch comfortably.

    If I sound biased with the back problems, keep in mind that I've only had one or two really bad episodes since I purchased my car. The seats really were more comfortable early on. Oh, well. My two cents worth.

    Fish8 -- still interested in CougarFest 2000 from Atlanta?

  • katlvrkatlvr Posts: 23
    I love the seats on my Kitty, they seem to mold to my body and I have the lumbar adjusted just perfectly but not everyone has the body for seats like these. It helps to work out.

    As for the back seats I've never had any complaints but then again only Silver my beanie baby sits there.
  • pattepatte Posts: 35
    Dang. I read your post and now am torn between going out to drive my kitty or finding a place that sells butterscoth sundaes. You are a poet lady! Maybe Mercury should contract you to write their ad copy.

    I think the seats are extremely comfortable, front and back - and I'm a shortie at 5'4". (Did I mention that I love my car?)

    Can you share with all the CSGers what the target market was for the new cougar when it was "re-created"? About 8 zillion posts ago, someone surmised it was a younger group than the 30- or 40-something crowd it seems to have attracted. Does Mercury track who they are actually selling to? Could that be why they don't advertise - cuz they don't know why they've hit this lode of avid (and slightly manic) cougar lovers and therefore don't know what kind of ad would do it justice?
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    What were you doing to throw your back out at 2AM in the morning? Forget it, don't answer that!!!!

    Regarding Cougarfest, it depends when it is.
  • Just wondering what people think of their rearview mirror. My first impression was that it looked cheap...I'm considering one of those "luxury" day/night electrochromatic temp/compass mirrors. They are about $240 in the Mercury Accessories Catalog. Not cheap by any means, but they sure are cool =)

  • rickelrickel Posts: 34
    I had never heard of the new Cougar until I saw one on U.S. Route 3 near West Chester, PA, one fateful day last year.

    I was driving my sister home from Reading, and we pulled up behind this wicked looking red car. It caught my eye, and I strained to see what it was.

    "It's a Cougar!" says my sis. I replied, "That's the car I am buying!"

    And on March 3rd, 2000, about four months later, I signed my John Hancock and took possession of my Y2K Cat!

    From the time that I decided to buy my Cougar, until the day I did so, I saw not a single ad for the Cat. All of my information came from the Mercury website, and other online sources.

    While I like that there are few Cougars around, and my car is rare enough to get glances, I dislike the notion that lack of sales will lead to its demise. It is a fantastic car for the price, and a joy to behold. What is L/M's problem?

    At any rate...the neighbors in my community sure like my car.

    As do I!

  • burnsmr4burnsmr4 Posts: 318
    Fish8 -- re: my back, I had thrown it out earlier in the day moving some furniture around my apartment :-)

    I believe CougarFest2000 will be in September. Would be kind of fun. Caravaning from Atlanta? Wow, what a drive. I wonder, though, if my bare bones V6 would look out of place amongst other, more formidable V6 Cougars.

  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    Cougarfest sounds great, but it seems like a long drive for just one day of activities. But, I have not ruled it out yet.

    Well, My Cat goes back to the dealer first thing tomorrow morning. Coming back from a weekend away(2 hour drive) my AC did not seem like it was cold enough. Also, when I got home from the trip there was a LARGE puddle of water steaming from the engine compartment. I know the AC will "drain" some water do to humidity, but this was TONS of water. It continued to come out for about 1 hour. This happened before and they said they fixed it. It appears they haven't. I am PISSED. I am going to tell them to FIND the problem and fix it once and for all and not to call me until its fixed AND give me a car to drive while my Cat is in the shop. Other than this persistant problem, I love this car.

    See ya all in the morn!!
  • lmigliorelmigliore Posts: 148
    Well, I shined up the cat and drove it towards the beach at Santa Cruz today. On the way I saw some smoke up ahead. It was an old Beetle with flat gray paint, running down the road and cooking up a storm. Traffic was such that I had to go right behind it before passing the miserablecrate. I immediately got tons of oil spray on my windshield (and the rest of the car!). Ecch.

    I cleaned up the windshield at the next gas station but the whole front of the cat was gummed with oil. Ecch ecch.

    At least it comes off with soap. How long can a car run if its spurting actual liquid oil?
  • rickelrickel Posts: 34
    The VW Bug engine of yore is reknowned for being able to operate when other engines would have been long dead. But spurting oil? It's just a matter of how fast the oil is coming out, and when it is all gone, the engine will sieze up and become a boat anchor, like any other.

    Hopefully, that Toxic Bug is now dead of natural causes, and you will never cross its path again!

  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    Even though I was tired and sick, I still managed to make it to the New York City Auto Show on Saturday. Although I never managed to meet up with Jimbo_G (where were you Jimbo?). The show was good, but I really thought it was going to be larger. The crowds were HUGE, and it took some time to maneuver through them. I took TONS of pictures, and once I get them developed i'm going to write an auto show review for the CSG home page.

    My experience with the two Mercury reps at the show was very upsetting say the least. They were uninformed, and to concerned with making test drive appointments. If the info wasn't listed on the sticker, they had no clue. I was going to incorporate my experience with them in to the auto show review, but I am so upset with FMC advertising in general I have decided to write a totally separate piece and not only post it on the site, but I also plan to emil it to FMC. If the Cougar goes out of production, FMC only has themselves to blame for it.

    Cougar Fest is for all Cougars, modified and unmodified alike. The goal is to get at least 100 Cougars there. If we can do this, we might attract media attention. I had a phone conversation last week with Dan Calhoun from the Cougar design team and he is hoping to get FMC public relations involved, but first we have to get a decent amount of cars out there. All 99+ Cougars are encouraged to attend.
  • gustafscgustafsc Posts: 361


    Skip G.
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    I washed and waxed my Cat yesterday. She looks soooooooo good. Today when I get home I plan on detailing her further. Tis the season.......
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