Hello; I am not certain if this is the correct forum to post this, so please excuse us if it is an intrusion.
My wife and I purchased a 2001 Forester S with automatic transmission less than two months ago. We had premium window tinting professionally installed on the rear passenger windows, rear quarter panel windows and the rear windshield. The car is Aspen White. Now, we find that the rear seat is a bit cramped for our 5 year old daughter and are considering purchasing an Outback Wagon. We are considering selling the Forester with only 1,500 miles for $23,000. If anyone is interested, please email us. (We live in the Washington DC area so please consider the location since you would need to pick-up the car here.) Thanks.
Sooby: you should also mention what options came on the car (arm rest, cargo cover, exhaust cap, etc.).
Since your near me, try Fitzgerald's for the new one. Their internet price is currently $100 under invoice for Legacys. They are no-haggle, no-hassle, freight included, no advertising fees:
The Forester that I am selling is the 2001 S Model (1,500 miles) with automatic transmission and a premium aftermarket window tint. There are no other additions to the car, but it is certainly very well equiped with just its factory standard items, like the in-dash 6 CD changer, heated seats, roof rack, heated power outside mirrors, power brakes, power windows, integrated temperature guage...and of course, not to mention the AWD and anti-lock brakes.
We are somewhat unsure about selling the Soobie since it is a wonderful car, but we would like to replace it with the Outback Wagon. The main problem is that the rear seat is a bit cramped for our daughter. We will definitely replace the car with an Outback since we just love the Subaru.
... but someone wrote to Subaru asking if it was possible to tow one with the front-wheel-drive fuse in, and front wheels off the ground, and they sent back the stock "only manuals may be towed behind RVs" response.
One possible reason (not that they gave any) is that if the fuse quits for some reason, you would never see the FWD light on the dash go out (unless you keep the car running while you tow it, and sit in it too! :-) ).
As far as I know, we're all correct - 5 speeds are towable "wheels down", AT's aren't (which is why I no longer own an AT Explorer- saved 1000 lbs of towed weight as well) We're planning on taking the Soob with us on longer camping trips - once we get anchored in a campground, it's so much easier to take side trips with the dinghy - don't have to disconnect power, water, etc. - also handy for fetching provisions! On trips closer to home, I can commute to work & the family can remain camping. Not planning on any off-road adventures, other than hiking!
Goiong to a "New Subaru Owner's Clinic" at the dealership (Appleway Subaru in Spokane) tomorrow morning - will pass on any earth-shattering revelations, if any.
Juice -- nope, the FWD-fuse spot is empty as delivered. You stick a spare in it to engage FWD mode. Since I have the auto transmission, I keep meaning to try this and see what sort of difference it makes, just for fun. I just have a lot of other more interesting things to do first. :-)
In my opinion, you should establish a purchase price on the OB with NO miles and then apply a mileage discount of at least ten cents per mile ($.10).
e.g. If you would pay invoice plus $500 for a no mileage car, subtract $1,600 for a Rep Car with 16,000 miles and pay invoice less $1,100. You could offer the dealer invoice less fifteen cents per mile or -$1,900.
Well, I drove into Los Anchorage and test drove the 2001 Forester S Prem. Pkg. I actually liked the way you sit in it much better than the Outback. After driving a 84 Sube Gl for 16 years I wanted something a little different. The one I drove was white and it is beautiful. However, I have found a problem with all white vehicles in this area where snow is 6 mths out of the year. We almost hit a all white RAV coming up our mountain road because it blended in with the snow. So I am thinking on the Black (only 4 colors available, oh well).
Now I am sending out emails to dealers outside Anchorage to see what they will offer. So far, $1000 above invoice and I still have to buy all those options that I really don't need. Give me an engine block heater and that is all I need. If I need a compass while driving I am in trouble since I spend most of my summers navigating the wilds of Alaska!
I hate buying things I don't need. How can I avoid this? I keep hearing 1% above invoice, 2% above invoice...how unreasonable is this or am I that I keep insisting I don't need all those other options.
bstuart1: I would subtract even more. Laws vary by state, but typically dealer demos can have only up to 5k miles on them.
So no matter what they call them, those are used cars, not pre-owned factory rep cars. I'd knock off 10% of the value new cars lose the minute they drive off the lot, then the mileage as Jack suggests.
Michelle: sounds like you're doing EXACTLY the right thing. Makes dealers compete for you business, not the other way around. Demand varies by region, and you're in a Subaru hot spot, so prices may indeed be higher.
Hi, Thanks Juice. The salesman I have test drove with thinks I am being very picky in regards to options. His comment was, without quoting him, that people who buy the top trim model don't care about paying for all the options. If they did care they would buy the Brighton, the lowest trim model. I let it slide because I was not ready to talk numbers but just because I want one of the safest trim models does not mean I need a cargo net. He also said I definately needed the undercoating. Well, I contacted Subaru and they said no way! Even in Alaska this is something the dealers try to sell. It can, which I thought I read somewhere in this topic, can affect your warranty. So all of you who live in winter conditions you still do not need that undercoating by the dealer.
My other question is does the Subaru 2001 Forester S with Prem. Pkg not come with any kind of security system? Blows my mind that this is an option. It does help insurance premiums by having it so I might go with it if I have to. I really could not find this on the descriptions.
I believe the cost is relatively low, so I'd go ahead and get the alarm.
Funny thing was, I added a cargo net and really like it!
Another option is to order one, but you have to wait several weeks. You can get exactly what you want, and nothing else, though. Also, you may get even better pricing, since the dealers pay for the cars to sit on the lot.
Hello Subie Crew, I am now in negotiation with a dealer in Anchorage (one and only)on the internet. I sent him invoice costs, etc. for a 2001 Forester S Auto with Prem. Pkg: $20,776, OV at $896, AT at $719 with an Engine Block Heater at $19 and Security System upgrade at $106.
He replied that I had the wrong invoices. The invoice on this vehicle is $22,391 (with Auto) plus destination chg to AK at $685 and invoice on security upgrade at $120.He also wanted to know what Internet service I am using for my information.
What is the "real" invoice costs for the above vehicle and options?
If the Forester comes from Japan is it really expected that us Alaskan's have to pay the extra destination charge? Wouldn't it cost more to transport a Forester to D.C. than Anchorage?
Look at the window sticker, or the "Monroney" to industry insiders, to answer that last question. The freight charge should show up right there, in black and white.
I'm not sure what you mean by "OV"???
The total prices are similar, though. Or was his invoice $22,391 PLUS options?
Tell him you're using Edmunds, and I'd go ahead and get other sources too, like Kelley Blue Book (www.kbb.com), and perhaps a print version, like Consumer's Guide (about $7.95, usually found at drug stores).
In your case, since it's only one dealer, tell him that you have family in other cities and can always buy there. No law restricts you to his dealership.
Thanks Juice. I believe the OV is the code for the premium package. The Kelly Blue had the same invoices as edumunds although some of the way the options were listed were a little confusing. I will keep you informed. It is always a experience, can't think of an adjective, dealing with this dealer in Anchorage. Many folks just order out of Seattle because they get fed up.
I've been looking for a late model, low mileage Outback in Oregon..... and amazed at the high prices for 3-4 yr olds! now i'm faced with a tough choice: a 1996 with 55,000 miles on it for $14,000, vs. a 1997 with 30,000 for $17,500. (both automatic, 96 has a CD player)
i've heard the '96's require premium gas, and the horsepower is lower. have also heard about some problems with an oil seal ($$$) at around 50-55k. on the other hand, $17k is more than i wanted to spend.
but i gotta decide real soon..... anybody got any good advice? thanks........
p.s. does anybody think it makes sense to pay inflated Northwest market prices for a used Outback to take to Hawaii (where there's not much snow........)
I finally got my first offer from a dealer in Seattle. For a 2001 Forester S with Prem Pkg, Automatic, engine block heater and security system is $24,047 plus the shipping to Alaska and he would have to Factory Order!He said that the demand is high and supply low. Now what?
I live in Seattle and encountered the same problem when buying my 00 OB ltd wagon in Feb. I still got it for a little above 3% over invoice. Subaru's are in much higher demand in the NW than say Texas or California. I would safely say that Subaru's biggest markets are the NE and NW, the places where extreme weather tends to be the norm.
I've been lurking for a while. Congrats on the Beans Forester deal! I'm envious; I bought a '00S from them in January at $200 over invoice and thought I got a decent deal. I wish I'd sold my trade-in outright as I ended up getting about $400 less than wholesale for it. I didn't beat myself up too badly, however, as the car (a '93 Buick LeSabre I bought from my mom - long story) I traded in needed as much $ in repairs as it was worth.
I don't have my paperwork handy but I don't recall the advertising fee being calculated into invoice - that doesn't mean it wasn't, though. When I find it I'll post back here.
I must say I haven't been 100% happy with Beans service. They did a nice "New Owners' Night" a few days after I bought the car where they fed us, introduced us to the service mgrs., and let us out into the bays to poke underneath a new Forester. However, I had to get the fuel gauge senders replaced @ 3600 mi., and after setting up the appt. and driving 30 min. out of my way to Doylestown (I live in Yardley) I arrived to find they didn't have the parts in stock. I let them know my displeasure and had the work done at Colonial in Feasterville, very close to my office in Trevose. Colonial is much less touchy-feely than Beans but they didn't call me in until they knew they had the parts.
I've heard numerous good things about Becker but they're too far away for me. Would've bought from them expect that Beans had the car I wanted and would probably have driven it up there for Becker to sell to me (it'd already been driven to Beans from Metro in Phila.). Good luck.
Thanks for the info. So if I can get 3% over invoice I might be doing okay. It is hard when you read all this great comments about $200 over, etc. and then the best deal up here is 4% for a factory order! Who did you do you business with?
Juice: Yes, I think it is unfair. Another Alaskan gouge factor. Especially when the vehicle comes from Japan. Alaska is definately closer than the East Coast.
I did join the ACA! I have been a past member of the Paddler Magazine and I do row rafts, etc., so it is an all around deal for me.
Shipping from Bremerton to Anchorage is around $1025 or more. The ferry is a few hundred less but it only goes to Haines Ak. and you would have to fly to Seattle and then take over a week to get it up.
If the local dealer can beat the cost of shipping the vehicle then you go with the local dealer. Sometimes you can break even. A friend just got tired of the Anc. dealer so he ordered his SUBE OB 00 from Seattle and shipped it and got about the same deal as another friend who spent days dealing with the local dealer. It took about 5 weeks to get his car.
Currently, I am having problems just getting the dealers to tell me what the invoice is for the vehicle. They just give me a lump total. So I keep responding with the vehicle, each option and their invoice price and then ask for that in return.
The internet dealer with the local dealership realized he made a mistake on the price he quoted me. So we are back on for negotiations. I am a bit leery though because it sounds like I might know more about their 01 For S with prem than they do thanks to this group! He quoted the engine block heater at almost $92 and said the security system is included in the Prem. Package. Does it?
It turned out easier than I thought. I called a few dealers on April 27. Most said they could order one or they didn't have the color I wanted. Later that day a dealer called back saying they located an Outback Limited in Timberline Green and would have it for me the next day. I bought the 5-speed Timberline for about 3 percent over invoice. I don't think I got the best deal around, but I was ready to drive it home. BTW, it has lived up to its expectations and fully expect it will keep kicking for many years to come. Now I'm just ticking away until I get it over a 1000 miles before I really start driving it and testing out the usefullness of AWD on some curvy roads. I must say I am going to enjoy the Subaru. This is my first experience with on. Also took the advice and joined AWA and sent in the form for the maintenance coupons. If nothing else, I will enjoy learning more about one of my favorite hobbies. Look forward to learning more about this car on these great boards.
does anyone know the invoice price of the "auto-dimming mirror with compasss" option on 2000 Outbacks? I can't find it in either Edmunds or Kelly Blue Book..
Russ, Per CarOrder the auto-dimming mirror with compass is USD 119 invoice, USD 183 list. Try pricing an Outback on that site or CarPoint, it's easy and has a wealth of information.
you are right about CarPoint having lots of information....... but pricing the Outback is not possible unless you are running Windows software (I'm a Macintosh guy.........).
another example of Bill Gates' monopolistic tendancies......
I was just quoted an out the door price of $24,000. for a '00 legacy wagon GT with auto, roof rack, floor mats, cd. Any opinions? Thank you in advance.
Hi, I have been lurking for about a month - learning a lot!! Thanks. Now I want to sum up my experience. I took the advice about e-mailing dealers - got a variety of "price over invoice" figures (from $1500 to $400) - and asked if anyone would find me a car for $400 over. No one within 200 miles had a car I wanted, but Lancaster Subaru (CA) got one from another dealer, had it driven to their lot, and I paid $500 over invoice. (2+% over)It was a very good experience. Ask for Lewis or "Picker". So I am now the happy owner of a 5 spd. Forester 2001 S w/Prem. Pkg. and a few other options. My husband is so jazzed he is thinking of getting one, too. These sites discussing "Soobs" have been great! Terry
Tioxys: long live the Mac! I learned on a Mac, even though today I've succumbed to Bill's evil empire.
Dylan: here's how Edmunds breaks down the invoice pricing:
Base 21487 freight 495 auto 722 roof rack std mats 45 cd 251
total 23000 (exactly, isn't that odd?)
I think $1000 over is a little high, but it depends on the region. I suggest you follow the link to Mike's profile and get other quotes from the services he recommends.
Terry: that's schweet. I love that HUGE moonroof! They should call it a Jupiter roof. No wonder your husband want one too. $500 over for that model sounds good, they're hard to find and dealers can't seem to keep them in stock.
You may already know/tried this, but Microsoft makes Internet Explorer for the Mac that you can download here. The FAQ on CarPoint indicates it supports Mac but doesn't say which browser. You could also try Netscape for Mac here. What browser (eg, IE,Netscape) are you using? Or, click on my profile and email me for other suggestions.
Bob (rsholland) uses a Mac; maybe he has tried CarPoint and can shed some light on the subject.
Thank you for the response. The invoice numbers I got were from kbb.com, but are close to edmunds numbers. $24,000. includes everything: 7.5% tax, liscence and all. This puts it at about $1,000. below invoice. I don't know why the price is so low except that maybe it's because the new model year's about to come out.
My Mac, running system 8.6 and Netscape 4.61, can access CarPoint just fine. The only problems I've ever encountered are very slow loading (intermittent and may have nothing to do with site itself) and odd semi-freezes: a page will partially load and then stop for 20 seconds or so. I cannot click anywhere. All of a sudden it will complete loading and veerything is fine. Whether this is Netscape, Microsoft or my machine is unknown.
I got out-the-door quotes (from 3 different dealers...) for a 2000 Outback with automatic trans, security upgrade, and premium sound package (6 disc CD changer, tweeter, sub woofer, and upgraded speakers) for $22K (no sales tax in oregon).
not only is this below invoice, but the destination charge seems to have disappeared.... even though the dealers have sworn up and down that this would be the final price to put the keys in my hand....
am I missing something, or did i just do a good job shopping?
Does anyone out there know whether there is a (2%) Dealer Hold Back on Subarus in Canada (as per in the US)? I'm negotiating ferociously with a local salesperson re: a Forester S Limited, and he says his boss tells him there isn't one.
Hi Russ, Go here for the Fitzgerald home page and here for a direct link to the inventory (the direct link will probably break over time, if the page is moved). You can also go to the SoA (Subaru of America) site and select Dealer Search in the top left to find others. D'oh AJ beat me!
Well, i bit the bullet today (and it was a tough one to swallow.....) but i went ahead and bought a new Outback. It is the first time i ever bought a new car (in fact, its the first car i ever bought that cost more than $4,000). so i'm still a bit shell shocked.
Got the automatic trans, security system, rear deflector, and upgraded sound package for just under $22K. I think the time I spent at this site (both learning invoice prices and tips on negotiating) helped save me a thousand bucks. So.... thanks to you guys for all the help.
They offered me a 6 yr/ 80,000 bumper to bumper additional warranty (from Subaru of America) for a thousand bucks. I turned it down, but I can still get it tomorrow if I change my mind. What is the likelihood that I will have repairs of $1000 between the third and sixth years on my Outback?
They also offered undercoating and paint protection for a few hundred bucks each, which I again turned down. But I'm wondering.... if I take this vehicle back to Hawaii (a distinct possibility), where the heat, moisture, and salt spray eat vehicles like candy, might that be a case where the extra protection is worth it? How good are those extra sprays anyway?
You can also always buy it later, so ignore what the dealer says.
The undercoating doesn't do squat, and Subaru specifically recommends against it, since it can clog up water drains. I had it on my Escort (it was free, long story), and that still got plenty rusty.
Paint protection? I'm not even sure what that is. I'd wax it myself. Also, you can scotchguard the fabric yourself, it's easy.
Join us in the Maintenance topic for more detailed hints.
My name is Morgan and I live in Halifax, Nova Scotia. I am currently looking for a new Subaru, and am finding this site of great assistance. Fortunately the internet has made our global village much smaller. Unfortunately, in this smaller world, I have been unable to find invoice prices in Canadian $$$ for Subaru Outback (2000) and Forester (2000 and 2001). Can anyone point me in the right direction?
I'm getting ready to email or fax 12 dealers within 250 miles of my home. I'm going to list the car I'm buying (Legacy GT) and all options, invoice prices, specs and give them three business days to respond. I'm sure some of you can give me some info that will help me up front in knowing what to expect with the responses. What are 5-spd GTs going for and is any equipment hard to find, such as the 5-spd? Are there any hard colors to come by, etc., etc.? Are there any options that you feel the car really needs above the standard GT equipment? They seem pretty much loaded to me. I can't wait to have the "deal making" part done so I can get on to the driving!
So far I have it broken down like this:
$21487 base invoice -$640 dealer holdback +$495 destination charge =$21,342 offering price not counting what I decide on for dealer profit. What should I start with? 1-2% of $21,342?
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My wife and I purchased a 2001 Forester S with automatic transmission less than two months ago. We had premium window tinting professionally installed on the rear passenger windows, rear quarter panel windows and the rear windshield. The car is Aspen White. Now, we find that the rear seat is a bit cramped for our 5 year old daughter and are considering purchasing an Outback Wagon. We are considering selling the Forester with only 1,500 miles for $23,000. If anyone is interested, please email us. (We live in the Washington DC area so please consider the location since you would need to pick-up the car here.) Thanks.
i Club in the i Club Classifieds forum.
Ultimate Subaru Message Board in The Subaru Marketplace forum.
Good luck. Even if you sell the Forester by 9 May, please join the meet in Beltsville. Details and RSVP instructions are here: > Subaru Crew - Events.
..Mike Smith . Silver Spring MD
..Mike
Since your near me, try Fitzgerald's for the new one. Their internet price is currently $100 under invoice for Legacys. They are no-haggle, no-hassle, freight included, no advertising fees:
http://www.fitzgeraldautomall.com/
Good luck.
-juice
The Forester that I am selling is the 2001 S Model (1,500 miles) with automatic transmission and a premium aftermarket window tint. There are no other additions to the car, but it is certainly very well equiped with just its factory standard items, like the in-dash 6 CD changer, heated seats, roof rack, heated power outside mirrors, power brakes, power windows, integrated temperature guage...and of course, not to mention the AWD and anti-lock brakes.
We are somewhat unsure about selling the Soobie since it is a wonderful car, but we would like to replace it with the Outback Wagon. The main problem is that the rear seat is a bit cramped for our daughter. We will definitely replace the car with an Outback since we just love the Subaru.
Thanks again and hope to see you in Beltsville.
One possible reason (not that they gave any) is that if the fuse quits for some reason, you would never see the FWD light on the dash go out (unless you keep the car running while you tow it, and sit in it too! :-) ).
Chris
Still, if they tell you not too, I'm sure there's a reason for it.
-juice
Goiong to a "New Subaru Owner's Clinic" at the dealership (Appleway Subaru in Spokane) tomorrow morning - will pass on any earth-shattering revelations, if any.
Cheers!
Paul
Chris
e.g. If you would pay invoice plus $500 for a no mileage car, subtract $1,600 for a Rep Car with 16,000 miles and pay invoice less $1,100. You could offer the dealer invoice less fifteen cents per mile or -$1,900.
Regards,
Jack
Now I am sending out emails to dealers outside Anchorage to see what they will offer. So far, $1000 above invoice and I still have to buy all those options that I really don't need. Give me an engine block heater and that is all I need. If I need a compass while driving I am in trouble since I spend most of my summers navigating the wilds of Alaska!
I hate buying things I don't need. How can I avoid this? I keep hearing 1% above invoice, 2% above invoice...how unreasonable is this or am I that I keep insisting I don't need all those other options.
So no matter what they call them, those are used cars, not pre-owned factory rep cars. I'd knock off 10% of the value new cars lose the minute they drive off the lot, then the mileage as Jack suggests.
Michelle: sounds like you're doing EXACTLY the right thing. Makes dealers compete for you business, not the other way around. Demand varies by region, and you're in a Subaru hot spot, so prices may indeed be higher.
-juice
My other question is does the Subaru 2001 Forester S with Prem. Pkg not come with any kind of security system? Blows my mind that this is an option. It does help insurance premiums by having it so I might go with it if I have to. I really could not find this on the descriptions.
Funny thing was, I added a cargo net and really like it!
Another option is to order one, but you have to wait several weeks. You can get exactly what you want, and nothing else, though. Also, you may get even better pricing, since the dealers pay for the cars to sit on the lot.
-juice
I am now in negotiation with a dealer in Anchorage (one and only)on the internet. I sent him invoice costs, etc. for a 2001 Forester S Auto with Prem. Pkg: $20,776, OV at $896, AT at $719 with an Engine Block Heater at $19 and Security System upgrade at $106.
He replied that I had the wrong invoices. The invoice on this vehicle is $22,391 (with Auto) plus destination chg to AK at $685 and invoice on security upgrade at $120.He also wanted to know what Internet service I am using for my information.
What is the "real" invoice costs for the above vehicle and options?
If the Forester comes from Japan is it really expected that us Alaskan's have to pay the extra destination charge? Wouldn't it cost more to transport a Forester to D.C. than Anchorage?
I'm not sure what you mean by "OV"???
The total prices are similar, though. Or was his invoice $22,391 PLUS options?
Tell him you're using Edmunds, and I'd go ahead and get other sources too, like Kelley Blue Book (www.kbb.com), and perhaps a print version, like Consumer's Guide (about $7.95, usually found at drug stores).
In your case, since it's only one dealer, tell him that you have family in other cities and can always buy there. No law restricts you to his dealership.
-juice
in Oregon..... and amazed at the high prices for
3-4 yr olds! now i'm faced with a tough choice:
a 1996 with 55,000 miles on it for $14,000, vs. a
1997 with 30,000 for $17,500. (both automatic, 96
has a CD player)
i've heard the '96's require premium gas, and the
horsepower is lower. have also heard about some
problems with an oil seal ($$$) at around 50-55k.
on the other hand, $17k is more than i wanted to
spend.
but i gotta decide real soon..... anybody got any
good advice? thanks........
p.s. does anybody think it makes sense to pay
inflated Northwest market prices for a used Outback
to take to Hawaii (where there's not much
snow........)
Stephen
I've been lurking for a while. Congrats on the Beans Forester deal! I'm envious; I bought a '00S from them in January at $200 over invoice and thought I got a decent deal. I wish I'd sold my trade-in outright as I ended up getting about $400 less than wholesale for it. I didn't beat myself up too badly, however, as the car (a '93 Buick LeSabre I bought from my mom - long story) I traded in needed as much $ in repairs as it was worth.
I don't have my paperwork handy but I don't recall the advertising fee being calculated into invoice - that doesn't mean it wasn't, though. When I find it I'll post back here.
I must say I haven't been 100% happy with Beans service. They did a nice "New Owners' Night" a few days after I bought the car where they fed us, introduced us to the service mgrs., and let us out into the bays to poke underneath a new Forester. However, I had to get the fuel gauge senders replaced @ 3600 mi., and after setting up the appt. and driving 30 min. out of my way to Doylestown (I live in Yardley) I arrived to find they didn't have the parts in stock. I let them know my displeasure and had the work done at Colonial in Feasterville, very close to my office in Trevose. Colonial is much less touchy-feely than Beans but they didn't call me in until they knew they had the parts.
I've heard numerous good things about Becker but they're too far away for me. Would've bought from them expect that Beans had the car I wanted and would probably have driven it up there for Becker to sell to me (it'd already been driven to Beans from Metro in Phila.). Good luck.
$24k seems fair, but how much is the shipping? Why not pick it up yourself (is it far)?
Trioxys: here's the data:
Year HP Fuel
95 155 Premium
96 165 Premium
97 165 Regular
Michelle: now may be the time to join the ACA. You get the free scheduled maintenance, and that may make up for the higher regional prices.
-juice
I did join the ACA! I have been a past member of the Paddler Magazine and I do row rafts, etc., so it is an all around deal for me.
Shipping from Bremerton to Anchorage is around $1025 or more. The ferry is a few hundred less but it only goes to Haines Ak. and you would have to fly to Seattle and then take over a week to get it up.
If the local dealer can beat the cost of shipping the vehicle then you go with the local dealer. Sometimes you can break even. A friend just got tired of the Anc. dealer so he ordered his SUBE OB 00 from Seattle and shipped it and got about the same deal as another friend who spent days dealing with the local dealer. It took about 5 weeks to get his car.
Currently, I am having problems just getting the dealers to tell me what the invoice is for the vehicle. They just give me a lump total. So I keep responding with the vehicle, each option and their invoice price and then ask for that in return.
I'm not currently working and have a bit of free time. I'll deliver your car for free if you pay the costs and do the
arranging.
JP
Calgary
Y2K Forester and loving it.
The internet dealer with the local dealership realized he made a mistake on the price he quoted me. So we are back on for negotiations. I am a bit leery though because it sounds like I might know more about their 01 For S with prem than they do thanks to this group! He quoted the engine block heater at almost $92 and said the security system is included in the Prem. Package. Does it?
jeff
Enjoy it.
-juice
on 2000 Outbacks? I can't find it in either Edmunds or Kelly Blue Book..
Thanks
..Mike
..Mike
you are right about CarPoint having lots of information....... but pricing the Outback is not possible unless you are running Windows software (I'm a Macintosh guy.........).
another example of Bill Gates' monopolistic tendancies......
Trioxys
I have been lurking for about a month - learning a lot!! Thanks. Now I want to sum up my experience. I took the advice about e-mailing dealers - got a variety of "price over invoice" figures (from $1500 to $400) - and asked if anyone would find me a car for $400 over. No one within 200 miles had a car I wanted, but Lancaster Subaru (CA) got one from another dealer, had it driven to their lot, and I paid $500 over invoice. (2+% over)It was a very good experience. Ask for Lewis or "Picker". So I am now the happy owner of a 5 spd. Forester 2001 S w/Prem. Pkg. and a few other options. My husband is so jazzed he is thinking of getting one, too. These sites discussing "Soobs" have been great! Terry
Dylan: here's how Edmunds breaks down the invoice pricing:
Base 21487
freight 495
auto 722
roof rack std
mats 45
cd 251
total 23000 (exactly, isn't that odd?)
I think $1000 over is a little high, but it depends on the region. I suggest you follow the link to Mike's profile and get other quotes from the services he recommends.
Terry: that's schweet. I love that HUGE moonroof! They should call it a Jupiter roof. No wonder your husband want one too. $500 over for that model sounds good, they're hard to find and dealers can't seem to keep them in stock.
-juice
Bob (rsholland) uses a Mac; maybe he has tried CarPoint and can shed some light on the subject.
..Mike
..Mike
Bob
Just keep a close eye on the paperwork.
-juice
Edmunds does not list it.
Can anyone confirm this? They do say it varies by region, and there are rebates and dealer incentives, so dealers may not be sharing this info.
-juice
not only is this below invoice, but the destination charge seems to have disappeared.... even though the dealers have sworn up and down that this would be the final price to put the keys in my hand....
am I missing something, or did i just do a good job shopping?
Base Outback 20588
freight 495
auto 722
security 104
premium sound 600
total 22509
Sure enough, that's $509 below invoice. I bet they're getting a $500 dealer incentive in that region, and knocking off another $9 bucks.
They've got the 3% of the MSRP holdback, so they ain't losing money, but that's a deal.
-juice
-juice
Thanks
Norman
http://www.fitzgeraldautomall.com/
-juice
PS They have other brands too, but don't even think about it (KIDDING!)
Go here for the Fitzgerald home page and here for a direct link to the inventory (the direct link will probably break over time, if the page is moved). You can also go to the SoA (Subaru of America) site and select Dealer Search in the top left to find others. D'oh AJ beat me!
..Mike
..Mike
Got the automatic trans, security system, rear deflector, and upgraded sound package for just under $22K. I think the time I spent at this site (both learning invoice prices and tips on negotiating) helped save me a thousand bucks. So.... thanks to you guys for all the help.
They offered me a 6 yr/ 80,000 bumper to bumper additional warranty (from Subaru of America) for a thousand bucks. I turned it down, but I can still get it tomorrow if I change my mind. What is the likelihood that I will have repairs of $1000 between the third and sixth years on my Outback?
They also offered undercoating and paint protection for a few hundred bucks each, which I again turned down. But I'm wondering.... if I take this vehicle back to Hawaii (a distinct possibility), where the heat, moisture, and salt spray eat vehicles like candy, might that be a case where the extra protection is worth it? How good are those extra sprays anyway?
aloha,
http://www.edmunds.com/partners/1source/index.html
You can also always buy it later, so ignore what the dealer says.
The undercoating doesn't do squat, and Subaru specifically recommends against it, since it can clog up water drains. I had it on my Escort (it was free, long story), and that still got plenty rusty.
Paint protection? I'm not even sure what that is. I'd wax it myself. Also, you can scotchguard the fabric yourself, it's easy.
Join us in the Maintenance topic for more detailed hints.
-juice
I'm getting ready to email or fax 12 dealers within 250 miles of my home. I'm going to list the car I'm buying (Legacy GT) and all options, invoice prices, specs and give them three business days to respond.
I'm sure some of you can give me some info that will help me up front in knowing what to expect with the responses. What are 5-spd GTs going for and is any equipment hard to find, such as the 5-spd? Are there any hard colors to come by, etc., etc.? Are there any options that you feel the car really needs above the standard GT equipment? They seem pretty much loaded to me. I can't wait to have the "deal making" part done so I can get on to the driving!
So far I have it broken down like this:
$21487 base invoice
-$640 dealer holdback
+$495 destination charge
=$21,342 offering price not counting what I decide on for dealer profit. What should I start with? 1-2% of $21,342?
CHEERS