Subaru Crew - Meet The Members II

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  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    inre MBNA points prog.

    dcab "Subaru Crew - Dealers & Pricing" Apr 27, 2002 3:51am

    The points that were 'grandfathered' when the 'new' outgoing prog. took effect; I understand that they can be used with the points earned from the later program... Is it useable in addition to the $2000 limit under the later program? (i.e. $2000 'grandfathered' + $2000 'new' outgoing program.)

    -Dave
  • dcabdcab Member Posts: 101
    I have a Q and A sheet that was enclosed with a letter dated July 1 2000 from Joseph Barstys (Manager, Customer Satisfaction for SoA)that states the following: "In Nov 2000, you will receive one coupon with a face value equal to the accumulated points in your account through your statement closing date in Oct 2000. This coupon will expire on Dec 31 2003...This coupon type may be combined with future coupons for a new vehicle purchase or lease; however, this coupon type will not be valid for Subaru products or service."

    My "grandfathered" coupon was for $2100 so the $2000 limit must not apply. Hope this helps and that dealers understand this.
  • dudedude Member Posts: 123
    Before I bought my 98 GT Wagon, I've test drove a few 2002 GTs and a 2000. I really didn't like having 2 roofs, especially when they only operated with 1 button. I wonder why Subaru puts 2 roofs eventhough Legacy shape is somewhat different from the Outback, which also comes with 2 roofs. Does the 2003 GT Wagon come with 1 or 2 roofs?
  • heatherbeanheatherbean Member Posts: 82
    I did tons of research and am now down to TWO choices! I printed all the reviews at tirerack and is is definetly down to Michelin Pilot XGT H4 or Dunlap SP SPort A2's. It would be the Pilot's, but everyone says the tread wear is only 20,000 and not 50,000 like the tires claim. How do the Dunlaps last? The reviews on the Dunlaps are supurb! Either way I can't go wrong, but still want to make the RIGHT choice. Anyone own either tire? Please advice.
    Heather- 2002 Subaru Outback H6 L.L. Bean
  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 Member Posts: 1,089
    Try checking TireRack...Dunlop Sport 5000 Assymetric or Michelin Pilot Sport A/S


    http://www.tirerack.com/tires/dunlop/du_s5000.jsp


    http://www.tirerack.com/tires/michelin

  • cptpltcptplt Member Posts: 1,075
    Have had these on my 98 GT wagon since summer 00, still got quite a lot of tread, probably have maybe 20K on them ( I have winter tires too).
    There is no such thing as a 50K tire unless you drive like the proverbial granny at weekends or wait till you see the treadwear bars (when you have lost a lot of traction already - whats legal and whats adequate and sensible are not the same thing!)
    The Pilot AS is darn expensive! I have been looking at them for new new WRX along with the Pilot Sport, will probably go with the Potenza S03 as I will have snowtires for that car too.
    I have also had great luck with Michelin X ones on my 92 Legacy sedan, probably put nearly 40K on them and still lots of tread, almost as good handling as the Pilot XGT. Also lots cheaper too! Only T rated though.
    One thing I have found about Michelin all seasons, they wear rather quickly initially and then it seems to slow down. Might be why people think they won't last that long. But tread wear is so dependent on driving style.
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    even if there is a 50k mile tire, I'm not sure that's a good thing. you'd be sacrificing a lot of grip at the expensive of tire life.

    it doesn't do much good to have tread depth remaining when the tire has gone as hard as a brick and there's no traction, especially in the rain.

    -Colin
  • jeijei Member Posts: 143
    Heatherbean -

    I've had Dunlop SP Sport A2s on a Forester since mid-March, and find them terrific in wet and dry and pretty good in snow and ice. I run then at 32 psi. SP Sport A2s would be fine all season tires for places that don't get a lot of severe winter weather. If you have real winter and drive a lot, consider getting separate snows & wheels. "All season" tires are always a compromise.

    I think the SP Sport A2s are relatively new, so not much wear information is available. They're warranted for around 50,000 miles, but as other have said, watch out for loss of traction as the tire ages. I bought them because of good reviews and lower price than competing Michelins.

    - John
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    heathearbean:

    I installed the Dunlops on my wife's 1996 Legacy 2.5 GT last November based upon the great reviews too. They perform very well in the wet and dry. There wasn't enough snow or ice in NY this winter for me to evaluate their winter performance. They are a bit noisey though.

    I agree with jei. Since they are a new model, it's just too soon to know about their longevity or treadwear.
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    Ya finally made it. Good. I meant to say what colin said earlier about 50k tires, but he already said it, so, er, well, nevermind then.

    Better grip=softer rubber=shorter life span.

    Sounds like you are looking for something in the middle?
  • hondafriekhondafriek Member Posts: 2,984
    Well the move to the lake is off until later in the week, we got dumped on yesterday with 15 centimetres of snow, ice pellets and freezing rain in places, (ask me am I ticked off.)

    Now I know it is more blessed to give than to receive, but to all My US friends in the subaru crew I would really appreciate it if you would keep your lousy weather south of the border. Ha! Ha!.

    Cheers Pat.
  • armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    Are you ticked off?
    :-)
    Our weather has been clear and in the high teens, low twenties.

    Ross
  • storytellerstoryteller Member Posts: 476
    This weekend we have had winds gusting up to about 50 mph, rain, sleet and snow. The snow piled up to depths of three inches in the Twin Cities, much deeper up north.

    Does anyone find it strange that we love Subies up here?
  • heatherbeanheatherbean Member Posts: 82
    We decided on the Michelin Pilot XGT H4's on the 2001 Outback. Yes no summer tires since we live very close to snowy areas we frequent (1 hour from Mt. Lassen Volcanic Park!) I will wait a year on the 2002 Bean for new tires and by then I should know more about the Dunlaps. Still I wish they'd last 50,000 miles! But the trade-off in performance is worth it- now if I can only convince myself our 2001 Outback manual is a WRX...
    Heather
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    It was cold Saturday, rained Sunday, but we still had fun watching the kids play in the sand. Don't know my mileage 'cause I made it there and back on the same tank! :-)

    We got that heavy down pour on the way back - on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge! Yowza! Signs on the bridge fell over onto the road, and they closed part of it. It's a few miles long and you get serious cross winds, boy was I glad to have AWD. Made sure to point that out to my wife, too. ;-)

    A tornado hit in La Plata, which is good because I'm not sure AWD helps *that* much.

    BTW GT wagons have 2 moonroofs.

    -juice
  • colonelnelsoncolonelnelson Member Posts: 1
    My name is Jay and I'm happy to join the Subaru discussion.

    I purchased my first Subaru this weekend, a 2001 Legacy GT Limited sedan, new off the lot. In fact, this is my first new car purchase ever.

    I certainly hope to learn a lot by reading your posts and am glad to see that this car company inspires such a loyal following. The other car dealers I spoke with all called to congratulate me on my choice and to praise the Subaru--I wonder how often that happens.

    Anyway, glad to join the fray.

    Jay
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Welcome Jay, and congrats!

    I hope you didn't buy from Fitzgerald Subaru because you may have taken the car my wife wants! :-)

    Tell us all about it - what color? Transmission? Options and accessories? How're you liking it so far?

    -juice
  • storytellerstoryteller Member Posts: 476
    Jay, welcome to these boards. You are obviously a clever fellow. You picked an excellent car and found your way to these boards, where a lot of friendly and well-informed Subie fans are eager to help you or just chat. Enjoy your new GT; it is a particular favorite with people who love the whole Subaru line.
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    juice - Glad you had a nice trip. Yeah, those crosswinds get very nasty on the CBB!

    Welcome to the Crew Jay!

    -Dennis
  • sukibearsukibear Member Posts: 31
    Well we just took the Outback, now ten weeks old, on its first camping trip. It was for our first ascent of Mount St Helens and we decided to experiment sleeping in the back of the car at the trailhead. It wasn't such a great idea. It would be really spacious for one if you lay diagonally, but for my boyfriend and I, it was a bit short. We were a little less that well rested when we rolled out at 5:00am to start the four and a half hour slog up the hill. We're bringing the tent from now on...

    The climb was spectacular, though - sunny, warm, crystal clear. Sitting on the edge of the caldera surrounded by Mounts Ranier, Adams and Hood then strapping on the boards and dropping off the top -- was really a thrill.

    Other than sleeping, though, the OB has a lot of space. We had all of our ski/snowboard equipment as well as camping stuff with tons of room to spare.

    However, I am contemplating getting a car top carrier for when we have more than two people or for keeping the car clean and dry by tossing all wet and muddy stuff in there. Anyone out there have one -- or know how they affect mileage. I am looking at the long narrow ones. If they suck up the gas though, I'm out...

    Kim
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Nice trip, sounds like you had more fun than we did. :-)

    I have a soft carrier for the roof, and I get maybe 1-2 mpg less than without it. It's hard to compare directly, because when I use it I'm also carrying much more weight than usual. Hard carriers are more aerodynamic, so figure 1 mpg or so.

    -juice
  • heatherbeanheatherbean Member Posts: 82
    I got them on! Oh Boy what a difference in feel! I can feel the road that's for sure, even had to turn the radio up to hear it on the freeway, but worth the sportier road clinging feel of these Michelin Pilot XGT H4's tires! I got them at American Tires for $111 each and no fee to install. So not bad! I will replace the tires on my 2002 L.L. Bean also soon since it makes a huge difference.

    Congratulations Jay on your GT!
    Heather
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
    Jay- Welcome aboard!

    Heather- glad to hear you are a happy camper with the new kicks for your car. I am convinced that good tires are the single best "mod" you can make in terms of bang for the buck.
  • royallenroyallen Member Posts: 227
    sukibear, I find my outback accommodates my sleeping in back (I'm 6'1") by having a 1/4" piece of plywood about 20"x36" that I use to extend the length available past the top of the folded rear seat-back. I also release the front seat back forward. Sometimes it's a lot better than a tent like in windy or colder conditions. It's also faster to roll out of bed, put on shoes and drive away.
  • originalbitmanoriginalbitman Member Posts: 920
    Welcome Jay. I have a 01 GT wagon and love it.

    And speaking of GT I got a PS2 for my birthday (53). Ordered Gran Turismo 3. What other good racing games are there for the PS2?

    bit
  • lilbluewgn02lilbluewgn02 Member Posts: 1,089
    Michael likes F1 2001 by EA Sports and WRC...he is waiting for Colin McCrae 3 and V-Rally 3. There is also Super Streetcar Challenge
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    bit,

    VRally 3 is coming out soon. Don't know if you're into motorcycles, but Namco's GP1 is coming out soon too. To be honest GT3 is good enough that I've not bothered with anything else, although I liked VRally 2 on the PS enough that I'm anxiously awaiting this new installment.

    -Colin
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    I read an article in Business Week about how some teenager in LA was so impressed with how the WRX handled on GT, he placed a deposit to buy one 3 months before it was introduced in the US.

    Talk about channel marketing!

    Ken
  • sukibearsukibear Member Posts: 31
    Royallen,

    are you just laying the backs of the rear seats down without lifting up the seat cushion (of the rear seats). The seat cushion when pulled up seems to lock vertically and no matter how far forward you have the front seat, you can't get any more room. The seat cushion creates a sort of headboard several inches higher, so the plywood extender wouldn't work. Is there some other trick to get the rear seat cushions to lay back further?

    Kim
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    There was a post on the i-club a while back asking how many people bought the WRX because they saw it in a game. Ryan P. was doing research for FHI, IIRC. I've read several posts where that has been the case.

    -Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Kim: how flat is the surface if you don't fold the seat bottom forward?

    You might get a slight angle overall though. Maybe park on an incline to level it out?

    -juice
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    What a sweet car! $4 grand just for the 5 speed conversion. But the miles are way up there.

    I'd seriously consider it if it were 80k instead of 133k miles.

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Drooled over that car about 2 or 3 weeks ago. Obviously it's not selling though.

    I'll probably be picking up my aunt's 92 w/ 70K miles for around 4-5K and never pushed in it's life. When the tranny goes, and it eventually will, I'll put in a 5-speed from a legacy. :)

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Can it handle that kind of torque?

    $4000 installed for that 5 speed conversion ain't bad. I've heard of cases where Odyssey tranny replacements ran into the $6000 range.

    It might be worth shopping for one that needs a new tranny (for cheap) but has low miles, then doing the conversion.

    -juice
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    The legacy 5-speed works fine in there. My aunts shouldn't need a tranny for at least 50K miles more so I'm not worried about the conversion just yet. Her car is so clean it would be a shame not to get it.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, when you find a car that was pampered like that, take it.

    My Miata was driven by the proverbial "school teacher" and to this day has been absolutely perfectly reliable. And it's a '93. The 626 had 5 visits to the shop during the same period.

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    As long as you don't try 4 wheel burnouts on dry tarmac or speed shifting, I think a WRX gearbox would live behind the SVX's EG33 just fine.

    -Colin
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Would it boltup though? I thought for some reason a legacy pre-96 was required to bolt to the EG33. Heck if I'm gonna go for a WRX gearbox, I'll spring for the 6-speed STI one since I eventually want to throw on the low-pressure turbo for the SVX.

    -mike
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Any 5 or 6 speed Subaru manual tranny will bolt up. The oldest ones use 4 bolts and 4 dowel pegs, more recent used 8 bolts, and the transmissions behind the WRX and H6 Outbacks are 11 bolt... BUT the bellhousings are compatible and the bolt holes match other than the newest powertrains having 3 additional ones.

    You would want to plug the 3 non-conforming bolt holes on the tranny, and machine the block to accept the 4 additional bolts where it is now using dowel pegs.

    -Colin
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Splines and all are the same? Very cool.

    I'd probably spring for the 6-speed STI out of a wreck. :)

    -mike
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    It's been well received by the non-US motoring press...and you KNOW there will be wrecks to part out.

    Ed
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    As soon as the STI hits there will be wrecks for me to pillage. Sooo in about 5 years...

    1992 SVX AWD
    6-speed MT
    400hp (turbo ICed)
    HID projector headlights
    .28 or .29 co-efficient of drag
    rear wiper
    coupe

    What do you think? Good project car?

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    For that I would drive up to help.

    -juice
  • lucien2lucien2 Member Posts: 2,984
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    I just want a ride in it =D

    -Dave
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Well you guys will all be on the list of passengers down the road when I get that hooked up :)

    Maybe I'll even you yous taker her for a spin too :)

    -mike
  • seamus3seamus3 Member Posts: 98
    i am sorry to report the death of my soobie. i was going through an intersection roght near my house and a gilr ran through it and slammed right into me. the car has been totaled by the insurance company, unfortunately none of the mods i did are covered. so i am taking the pay off and joining the vw family, a 1.8T gti.
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Why not take the mods off and put em on a new scooby? Just a thought.

    -mike
  • royallenroyallen Member Posts: 227
    Kim, I think you have it, I lower the seat back without raising the seat cushion. A small angle is present which I fill in with a couple of blankets or the like. I also add a 3" foam pad with a removable cover made from a sheet. And as Juice mentioned, I park with the front on the lower side of a slope, if available.
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