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drovemall, you're insulting us all. the absence of your type of attitude is what formerly made the Subaru Crew a wonderful place.
we can't all agree, but you don't have be such a jerk about it.
~c
however, I think everyone would like you to tone it down about 5 notches.
~c
Thanks
Patti
I'll second that.
grove - We are an open bunch that enjoy a good discussion as much as anyone, especially a passionate one, but it seems like you're just pushing buttons to push buttons. Something we call "trolling". IMHO, it isn't appreciated.
Please tone it down. Thanks.
Also, paragraphs are a wonderful thing. They make your arguments clearer and stronger by separating your trains of thought. Try using them more often.
-Ian
It is at the point at moment where I do not want to scroll through the MTM thread because of the bile you insist on spewing here.
By all means healthy discussion is promoted here, but if you insist on being insulting, I would suggest you try the nabisco forums ,there are lots of people over there who would be just as happy to insult you back.
Cheers Pat.
-Dennis
Why do you park on a driveway and drive on a parkway?
Oh well.
Cheers Pat.
How's the rest of the family doing?
DaveM
The infection they believe was caused by the central line being in her jugular for such a long time. She has an appointment with an eye specialist tomrrow.
Hopefully this is just a bump in the road and she will make a full recovery.
She still has very little stamina understandibly, and needs to gain about 25LBS in weight, hopefully she will be self sufficient by the time the 15th July rolls around as that is our date for going home.
Cheers Pat.
Cheers Pat.
I'd be happy to offer her my extra 25+ pounds free of charge.
DaveM
-mike
You sound pretty angry and I'm sure it's not about me...so good luck and hope things go better for you! The reason that Saab picked the Impreza over the Vibe was size you say! Please cite an article that shows that. I know for a fact that the Subaru is just an all around better car. Bottom line.
-mike
Jim
Mr. All gained quick fame in his vocal opposition of the GM and Saab presence with Subaru. He pushed some buttons with discussion of 4WD vs AWD and the introduction of fast Subarus. He was accused of poor sentence structure, and lack of punctuation.
Sources say that he revealed himself in the Chat last night, and may be named Steve. Hard to tell, because one night, everyone in the Chat was named Steve.
Mr. All also earned rare posts from Patti, and Brenda. Neither lady could be reached for comment.
Stay tuned as this strange and twisted story continues to unfold ....
One of the luxuries of being a foreigner is the amusement of figuring out where in the USA the regular posters come form. I've been enjoying the juxtaposition of drovemall with the little mouse (is it Tutter?) on Bear in the Big Blue House. I think Juice actually knows the voice of Tutter, which indirectly makes Juice a celebrity with my little boy.
The mouse is definitely a New Yorker and has to be reminded of the need to take the time to Smell the Cheese frequently.
I'm personally glad that I don't have to live with the mouse who would grow wearing very quickly.
On the bright side, mice to tend to arrive suddenly, live frenetically and then either die or get eaten by a cat (or in our house a dog) who has the time to sit and wait for them to make a mistake. As a kid, I had a dog who would spend days silently waiting for a mouse to pop back through a mousehole.
Cheers
Graham
drovemall: as the founder and host, first let me welcome you to the Subaru Crew. I think it's great that you feel passionate about old school Subies. The longevity of yours is definitely something to boast about, but remember, you are preaching to the choir!
Please take the time to get to know the folks you're conversing with. paisan, for instance, is keeping the flame for the old school Subies, racing an XT6, SVX, and first gen Legacy turbo, plus an older Impreza, on the track. He humuliates newer sports cars with surprising regularity.
He also watched Isuzu be gobbled up by GM, from the inside, as a Trooper owner and enthusiast. Noone is more skeptical than he. Believe me.
You'll meet a quirky bunch of folks, most were members far before the first WRX hit the US shores. We are old school. However, that doesn't mean we don't like the added dimension of performance that Subaru is introducing.
Yeah, perhaps the Subaru community doesn't have the close knit feel it used to, but they needed to increase sales to survive. 1995 sales were 100k, they're now up 82% and increasing more. Those 82,000 new customers had to come from somewhere.
FWIW, some think they are still too small to survive on their own. Think about this - as new requirements and technologies are introduced, how can Subaru develop these cost effectively when Ford sells twice as many F150s compared to all Subaru vehicles combined!?
Like I said before, I hold a moderate view, I'm OK with GM borrowing Subaru's cars, but I don't want to see the opposite happen, last thing Subaru needs is to sell yet another TrailBlazer clone to water down its solid image and character.
I mean, look what the Ascendor did for Isuzu...
-juice
-juice
Relax. Take a deep breath, and get to know the folks here. We've all been here quite a while and know and understand Subies (and it relationship with GM and Saab) pretty darn well. As others have said, "you're preaching to the choir."
Bob
Just kidding! ;-)
-juice
Jim
They gave something to keep Isuzu dealers happy, temporarily, while they starved Isuzu of R&D funds and basically absorbed their diesel production, which is all they wanted in the first place.
Subaru doesn't have that problem yet. Clearly they spent a fortune on the 2005 Legacy and Outback, perhaps the most ever for a new model. Halifax won't be cheap either, and it looks like it'll get a unique-to-Subaru platform. At least Subaru will engineer it (though GM wanted them to use one of theirs initially).
Bottom line is Subaru's independence will depend on their sales performance and on strong management not caving in to GM.
-juice
-mike
But then, if you look at a 2003 model, it hasn't changed all that much since, what 1987? Just one minor redesign.
I'm telling you, GM cash starved them.
-juice
Bob
I loved my '97, was a total workhorse and went 120k miles on only oil changes. Wish I still had that as a beater!
-mike
-juice
Problem was that GM clipped Isuzu's marketing wings and expected them to keep pumping out sales... They didn't like them competing with their mid-size SUVs and handidly beating them in every category.
-mike
Yup they added the DI which actually was a significant jump.
205->250hp
215torque -> ~265lbs
Increased gas milage and torque curve is nearly flat from 1500-2000 RPMs up to 5000. Also price dropped on it as well.
But yup the truck itself was/is pretty much the same.
-mike
Bob
Precisely.
What they shouldhave/couldhave done?
Take the trooper, enlarge it slightly, add the DI engine V6 and the Alumin V8 engine found in the TB/Ascendor/etc and built it at their plants in the US and rebadged it across the GM lines, making Isuzu their offroad/suv/outdoorsy focused division. I'm not wholely against rebadging but, it should be done in an orderly fashion. For instance if they were gonna push the ascendor, they should have made it lifted a bit with offroad suspension, knobby tires, built in winch etc to differentiate it from the Envoy and TB. GMC's slogan is "Professional Grade" they could have made Isuzu's "Take your Adventure to the next Level" or something along those lines. Put in lockers front and rear etc.
-mike
I think Isuzu even supplied diesel engines to Honda! GM got 50,000 3.5l V6 engines for the Vue Redline in return, so you know Honda wanted those badly.
Any how, GM forced them to focus on diesels and ignore their SUVs, so basically they were phased out naturally.
Scary thought - GM would want Subaru for their AWD...VersaTrak is inferior, ask even the owners of those vehicles.
-juice
Jeep, ironically, will be first in the volume segments with the Liberty diesel. A niche Isuzu could have dominated.
-juice
~c
Any how, sorry, we went off on a tangent a little bit, the real issue is how GM behaves as a parent company.
-juice
The Return of GM's Might
Subaru v. Saab wasn't a majority of questions submitted, so the ones that were asked were an accurate representation of the amount or themes of the ones that were submitted.
The transcript from last night's chat will be posted sometime next week for those who were unable to attend.
-Frank
Bob
It seemed necessary.
~c
I think as long as the questions fall within established Edmunds guidelines, they should be accepted, and taken in order of their asking. To have somebody from Edmunds making a decision on a question that I may pose, as being "acceptable," I find very distasteful. It just screams of censorship.
Chances are what you'll end up with is a very bland PR session serving only the guest/company at hand.
Bob