Subaru Crew - Meet The Members II

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  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    I missed the chat again! I need to rearrange my life a little more so I can make it.

    Next week?

    tom
  • noproblemnoproblem Member Posts: 4
    Hey folks, bought our 1st Subaru today...a basic silver XS Auto with no frills. Tough choice vs the CRV...but wife and I finally agreed Subaru was best for our snowey/icey winters at 2300 elevation in western end of Virginia, returning to sailboat trailering, and bicycle hauling. This is also our first AWD or 4WD. They ain't cheap...hope we get what we pay for. My motorcycle is a Honda. Enjoyed reading your posts during the last week.
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Hi and welcome. Congrats on the Forester XS, sharp vehicle!

    ~Colin
    PS, what kind of Honda motorcycle? guessing Goldwing or Valkyrie...
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Whereabouts in western VA are you? I travel out to the VA mountains to ski quite often in the winter (12-15 times a year). All the Subarus I have owned are great in teh snow out there.

    I think you made a good choice -- CRV is a good vehicle, but I think the Forester is an all around better choice. The handling and stability is significantly better.

    Craig
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    For winter, you won't regret getting the XS. First time you turn on those heated seats, actually. Then try the heated mirrors each time it rains to clear them, the wiper de-icers to clear the frost (front and rear), and the roadside assistance if all else fails.

    Those are all MIA on the Honda.

    Back from the "crisp air" of New England, 5.5 hours driving up and 7 hours driving back. Some traffic but not too bad, Sandy (my '98 Forester L for the newbies here) fared very well, though I have yet to calculate gas mileage.

    It was funny, I took a lawn mower to the beach on my roof last week, and this week the stroller came back from CT on the roof rack. The mother-in-law really piled on the presents for the kids.

    Rode my bike a lot, we were in Milford this time, along the Long Island Sound (the CT side), and that was fun.

    To be honest I'm ready to get back to my routine. Two weeks "vacation" with no nanny was a lot of work!

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    By the way, the first few days were downright cold compared to what I was used to. It was low 70s for the high temps there. Towards the end it heated up, but here at home it's already hotter than it was there all week.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Hope the new terror threats against TWB and IMF turn out to be just bluffing.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I should read my e-mail, first I've heard of those.

    We might get time off. *shrug*

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Just turn on the TV, or do a Google search! It was big news today.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Checked and they're open for business. They met with reps from the FBI to make that decision!

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Ed posted a good link there on it.

    Bob
  • damish003damish003 Member Posts: 303
    Congrads on the XS, noproblem, you got yourself a fine vehicle there. You'll LOVE a Soobie this winter, and the style Forester is perfect for the snow. Enjoy!

    Welcome back to the real world, Juice. Sounds like your weather is what we have had all summer. Not much pool action.

    I could use some help from any Long Islanders. I have to go to a wedding this coming Sunday, and I'll be driving from Erie, PA to Huntington, LI this Friday. I don't have to be in Huntington until afternoon Saturday, so I can play a bit. Any suggestions of a place to stay between here and there that might be fun? I'm having back surgery in a couple of weeks, so lots of walking is out. Anywhere within a couple hours of Huntington would be great. I'd stay in NYC, but don't want to go broke or get lost.

    -Dan-
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Dan, while I'm not a Long Islander, my wife is from there, so I've spent a good deal of time there.

    My experience is, the further out on Long Island you go, the nicer it is, but that means more driving which you may not be up to. You may want to consider seeing Teddy Teddy Roosevelt's home, Sagamore Hill in Oyster Bay, which is not too far out, and is in the LI Sound side. There are also a lot of beautiful (and very expensive) old homes on the Sound side, such as in Great Neck, Kings Point, Mannhasett, etc.

    http://www.trthegreatnewyorker.com/Familyman/fmain.htm

    Bob
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    Juice-

    Welcome back, and hoping everything is OK at work.

    Noproblem -

      Congrats on the new Forester!

    Mark
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Made it OK, had to show my ID to about 3 security folks coming in, though.

    Just updated my mileage chart, and I can conclude that a lawn mower on the roof is not very aerodynamic!

    My last 7 tanks, all but 2 have yielded 26mpg or better.

    When I had that lawn mower on the roof - 22.8 mpg! I must have used the A/C a lot also, and I had a heavy load. But wow, that lowered my efficiency by about -3 mpg.

    Coming back from CT I had a stroller on the roof, that lowered my mileage to 23.6 mpg, again costing me about 2 mpg compared to my average.

    So only carry things on the roof it you have to! :-)

    -juice
  • p0926p0926 Member Posts: 4,423
    Noproblem- Congrats on your first Subaru. I got a chuckle from your "basic silver XS Auto with no frills" statement since the XS has more items standard than most competitors even offer as options!

    -Frank
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Noproblem- Ditto on the congratulations!

    Juice- I'm glad they have so many checkpoints! Wow, I didn't think something on your roof would lower your MPG that much. It's not like the forrester is the most aerodynamic shape in the world. When I put my hardbox on top of my SUV my mileage didn't really change!

    I'm only getting about 21 MPG mostly city driving with AC. Does it get much better once the engine's broken in?

    tom
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    maybe a bit, if you keep your foot out of it. don't expect a large improvement though and it can drop some as well if you drive it spiritedly... as you should be! :)

    ~c
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    Don't complain too much, the EPA city rating is only 18mpg city.
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Nah. Not complaining. I'm happy to be getting anything more than 20mpg! I was just wondering if these turbos break in and become more efficient. It took a while for my last Honda, and my Nissan hasn't improved at all.

    Colin- I think i'd get a lot better mileage if I didn't enjoy the rush of the turbo! It will be hard to get good mileage on this car.

    tom
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My Forester improved by about +2mpg after it was fully broken in. Colin may tell you that I retired my lead foot, though.

    Keep in mind Edmunds' long term Tribute averaged something like 16mpg, and one tank it got 14. Yours is a fuel miser compared to that.

    New look for Edmunds, eh? Every time I get used to it, things change! ;-)

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    Juice, I'd say you accelerate slowly but reach a pretty respectable top speed. I think the local law enforcement might agree? ;)

    ~c
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Nah, that ticket was in a small town on the Eastern Shore, mostly that road is 55 but it slows down to an absurd 25mph limit in one spot.

    For kicks, I drove exactly 25 the next time I went through that town, it felt like I was standing still. Traffic lined up behind me and someone even honked.

    I usually only go 10 over. Slower than that and you get tail gaters. Plus we're not in a hurry with kids, it takes a stop or two anyway, so it's never a Banzai run like it used to be. In college I made in in 2:15. Now the same trip takes about 3:00 at least!

    We do a lot of road trips and that no doubt boosts my mileage. But DC traffic is among the worst in the country.

    -juice
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    New look for Edmunds, eh?

    I think it's a side effect of reporting on new car model tweaks all the time. We're getting hood scoops and fins next month!

    Steve, Host
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    So you've gone "Pontiac".

    Lots of appearance upgrades but no improvements in performance.

    Just teasing. Though I am finding the Message Center only works about every other try. Anyone else?

    -juice
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Actually there were some back-end improvements that aren't visible but should result in faster performance.

    Better let Sylvia know over in Our Software! Your Questions Answered... so she can investigate. Thanks!

    Steve, Host
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Figures, it's working now every time. ;-)

    -juice
  • goneskiiangoneskiian Member Posts: 381
    Welcome to the new members of the crew (tsy, noproblem and anybody else I've missed in the last 20 pages or so)!

    Sorry I missed the bike discussion. I just got rid of a '96 or '97 Gary Fisher with Shimano trigger shifters. Hadn't ridden it in at least a year and only a couple times in the 3 years prior. I've never ridden the Grip shift stuff much so no comment there. I've been reading up on what's new in the Mt. bike world and it seems like the trigger shifters are making a comeback with both SRAM and Shimano making their own versions.

    I ride on the road mostly. OK, actually I race on the road quite a bit. Our team picked up a great deal on K2 bikes this year. Yes, the same K2 that makes skis and got started (and is still based here in Washington, Vashon Island to be exact). Manufacturing has now been moved to China (skis) and Taiwan (bikes). Good stuff though. The road bike is their top of the line Mod 5.0 with the new Shimano Dura Ace 10 speed components and a frame made of Aluminum and carbon fiber. Very light and quite responsive, but still quite comfortable for those long rides.

    While we're talking bikes. Way to go Lance! Actually the race was a bit of a let down. I would have preferred it if somebody could have given Lance a real run for the yellow. I was particularly disappointed when Tyler Hamilton threw in the towel. I was really hoping we could have had a U.S. podium with Tyler, Levi or Bobby Julich up there with Lance.

    Oh well... still a great race and the TV coverage was fantastic this year. Even Al Trautwig wasn't too bad. Of course Bob Roll had me LMAO just about every day and what can you say about the class of Phil and Paul. Top notch stuff!

    Pat - Glad to hear your daughter is doing much better. Still sending some positive thoughts your way!

    Also glad to hear everyone's having some good holiday's. My wife and I will be heading out for ours in a couple of weeks. We'll be taking the new GT Wagon on it's first road trip here in the west. The plan is to head East across Northern Idaho into Montana, down through Yellowstone for a couple days, another couple days in Jackson Hole WY (where I grew up) then down to visit my Father, Sister and half Sister for a few days in Denver before we make a B-line back to Seattle.

    Hmmm, must be Seafair practice going on. As I write this the Blue Angels are making some passes over Lake Washington, Mercer Island and of course my house in Bellevue. Cats don't seem to mind too much though.

    OK, now I'm rambling so I'll cut it short.

    Happy to see a new crew member from Seattle since Steve and his WRX left a year or so ago when he jumped to the Jeep camp.

    Welcome Tom! We'll have to have a crew get together up here sometime. Maybe we can get Paul (hammerhead) over from Spokavegas! ;-)

    Cheers!
    -Ian
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    We learned the inability to reproduce problems from car dealer service departments :-)

    Ian, Boise's not too far either, relatively speaking.

    Steve, Host
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    A-ha, I thought they held a patent on that. :-)

    WB Ian.

    -juice
  • tsytsy Member Posts: 1,551
    Ian- does Paul ever come over to the dark side of the state? We could go over there and meet him and Steve- in our cars shouldn't take too long ;-).
    Hey, do you ride the Burke Gilman? I have 2 MTBs and was thinking about getting a road bike just for the trail, since it's right next to me. I've been riding slicks on one of my bikes which is ok too, but watching the tour makes me want to get a road bike again (haven't done much roadie stuff since college)

    Steve- hey, how many threads do you host? I just realized you host the Nissan Quest site also.

    Colin- um, how do you avoid the locals in uniform? Whether on your bike or driving, it must be difficult to hold back.
    Just looking for ways to keep my insurance down.

    tom
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I host in Vans and co-host in SUVs and Aftermarket and Accessories with Tidester.

    I just got sucked in here because I have an Outback and Karen hasn't thrown me out (yet, lol).

    Steve, Host
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My strategy usually works:

    * get a wagon
    * put kids in it
    * be really nice and say the words "wagon" and "family" a lot
    * throw in some "sir"s for good measure

    I was doing 44 but the officer reduced it to 34 in a 25 with no points assessed.

    I'd be embarassed if it were a residential area with kids playing in the streets but it's not, it's actually deserted with a cemetary on one side. The 25 limit is clearly to raise funds.

    So he reduced that to a small fine ($50) with no points, which I can live with. The last time I was pulled over was in the OBX and he let me off completely, though I wasn't going that fast. Besides that I've gone to court and three times the officer has not showed up.

    Funny thing is I think I travel slower than most of the traffic out there, i.e. below the 85th percentile speed.

    -juice
  • twrxtwrx Member Posts: 647
    But it was WR blue with a hood scoop.
  • Karen_SKaren_S Member Posts: 5,092
    Aww..Steve...now everyone is going to think I'm some sort of hard-hearted witch.

    Was that snickering??!!! I definitely heard snickering.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Yeah, but they're still snickering about my last awful pun.

    Wait, that's redundant.

    Did we mention there's a Subie Chat in a few hours? Link's on the left.

    Steve, Host
    (deftly changing the subject)
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    1. My usual speed everywhere is the limit to 5 over. Often 5 over, but no more. I am doing this speed well over 90% of the time I'm on the road. Probably over 95%. So, I don't speed enough to be busted.

    2. When I do go more than 5 over, it's generally in places I am extremely familiar with and I know where the police tend to hide out on the highway.

    3. I don't drive like a madman. No weaving in traffic, no cutting people off. I have been known to slide around corners a bit (car) or wheelie coming out of them but that's about it. I don't take off from stoplights like I'm going down the dragstrip, either.

    Last ticket I got was 2.5 years ago for 'excessive speed for conditions', a non-moving violation (tort). I passed a cop on the highway doing about 52, and he was doing 50 in the center lane of a three lane highway. --The conditions part is that it was like 15 degrees, and had snowed a few days before but the snowplows and salt trucks had done their magic and I was in a Subaru with snow tires. 52 was NOT excessive for the conditions in my vehicle, but I didn't contest it.

    I did for a moment think about slamming on the brakes on the shoulder, which was snow-covered ice. I'm sure the cruiser would've rear-ended me. :) It would've been funny, but not funny enough and they probably could've invented a reason to cite me for it, and make it my insurance's obligation.

    Before that would've been 1994, going to college in my '88 5spd Z28. I was doing 5 over in the fast lane --same highway come to think of it! opposite direction. some car came FLYING up on my tail and I accelerated to between 10-15 over (didn't take long) so that I could change to the center lane and let this maniac go by. Guess what. It was a trooper with the grille lights instead of top-mounted. He stuck to my bumper like glue and then hit the lights.

    They wrote me for like 12 over. I was pissed but remained calm and cordial. a few days later I talked to an assistant DA and because of my clean record, he reduced it to a non-moving violation.

    Anyway, there are times when I'm going a little more faster than perhaps I ought to be, but they are rare and if I do draw the polizei, I'm pulling over. I know a lot of sportbikers just run, and there's no way a cop can possibly catch you. If you get off the highway once out of sight, they can't even catch you with Motorola. But that's extremely dangerous and if I'm in that situation, I'll just pull over and face the music like a man.

    ~Colin
  • volkovvolkov Member Posts: 1,306
    Rental car, driving the highway in Alberta at about 20km over the limit. Was doing the same speed as most others - "ambient speed" in the fast lane. Laser trap over a bridge - they were nailing tons of people. Didn't live there, and I can't remember paying it (cough)...but my ins. co. did send me a warning letter telling me to behave in future.
    Last time I should have been nailed, I passed the cop (supervisors car - couldn't tell till I was beside him), even though I was only doing 106km. He followed me for 3 miles then pulled me over to say I'd been in a 90km zone not a 100km. OOOPS!!. Of course I was in the minivan and began the conversation with "do you mind if I step out of the vehicle so I don't wake up the kids, they just fell asleep" Helps to have 3 beautiful toddlers half-waking in car seats at this point. Sandra had just renewed the registration and it wasn't in the glove compartment. (that's $500 fine here).
    In a slightly irritated voice I was told that he couldn't just sit there after I passed him and I shuold never be without registration. "Very sorry sir, the kids had been irritable earlier before they fell asleep and I was sure it was 100....", all perfectly true but irrelevant.
    I got in my car and drove away with nothing but a summons to produce my registration when I got home.
    Only downside was having to hear, "What are you thinking passing a cop?" for the rest of the 5 hour drive home.
    Weird twist, is that I specifically checked when I drove that road 2 months later and the speed limit is 100. Maybe it changed, but I doubt it. Maybe the 90 comment was for effect.
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    Have you seen this website? I came across it after registering my LGT wagon on mysubaru.com:

    http://www.allwheeldrive.com/

    Interesting how they list DCCD as a fifth type of AWD system.

    Ken
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    makes perfect sense to me, Ken. it's a unique, electronically controlled center differential.
  • bat1161bat1161 Member Posts: 1,784
    My first & only speeding ticket was only a few months ago. Unfortunately the trooper had me dead to rights as it was late at night and I was the only one on the road. I remained polite throughout the "experience", and then was able to get it reduced because of my record and thanks to Paisan here. It helped reinforce that when traveling in unfamiliar areas you should do no more than 10 over the limit.

    Mark
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    It still doesn't answer the max splits for each system (unless you go by the little bars :-)). I guess, as someone mentioned before, the engineers at Subaru aren't even sure.

    -Dennis
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    Yeah, it would be nice to have reliable info on the splits. I think we have about 3-4 slightly different sets of numbers, none directly from Subaru!!

    Craig
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    Patti did post info on here a while back:

    4EAT in R, 1 & 2 - Varies depending on the condition
    99+ 4EAT 80/20 up to 60/20
    VTD 44/55 up to 50/50
    Manual 50/50 up to 60/40

    The info that SoA sent me by email (confirmed by a tech) around '98 was the VC could go up to 10/90 or 90/10.

    And from Patti's R 1 and 2 info, no mention of "locking" the split. That's also what Ed at ISR Performance (SubyTechMaster on nabisco) said. That one must be urban legend or old skool Subes. :-)

    -Dennis
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    I also heard 90/10 as the default cruise mode for 4EAT. In fact, the "10" would probably only be sent aft to offset friction losses and then some, so it makes sense to me. Sending 20 to the back all the time seems like too much if they are trying to save fuel.

    Craig
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    I also noticed that the bars on the Active AWD demo weren't very conlcusive.

    What would be interesting is to know why even the engineers aren't sure. I think we're looking at the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle of Subaru Active AWD!

    Ken
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The more I read the 4WD & AWD systems explained and Toyota 4WD systems explained boards, the more confused I get.

    Then there's the whole fuse thing :-)

    Steve, Host
  • c_hunterc_hunter Member Posts: 4,487
    And guess what? The 5EAT/VTD systems don't have the fuse! Only the active AWD with the 4EAT.

    Craig
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Yeh, my 4EAT/VTD on the WRX don't come with the fuse.

    -Dave
  • kenskens Member Posts: 5,869
    That makes sense though. Active-AWD uses just an electromagnetic clutch to transfer torque to the rear wheels. Pull the power and it's FWD only.

    VTD uses physical gears (planetary gearsets) to normally keep torque 45/55. There is a clutch pack, but it's function is to incrementally move that torque around that set point.

    Ken
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