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going to the chicago show tomorrow - getting there at 10am (when the doors open). usually the crowds build early and by noon it's tough to walk around - or get pictures without someone in your way. of course, I'll be just taking a whole memory stick full of Forester pics anyway.
-Brian
Great, Brian. Check out the rear suspension, back seat, and the wheelbase, too.
-juice
There was a 2nd article about the CrossTrainer, Ford's latest car/SUV hybrid concept. "It's an SUV with the lower height and smoother ride of a car." Sounds like Ford is finally figuring out what Subaru's known for years! :-)
-Frank P.
--Bart
"hmm, lessee-- HEY! the Impreza rack will fit. let's say WRX, that's sexier."
-Colin
Bob
Nissan in particular has been on a roll these past few years. Starting with the all-new Sentra, Maxima and Xterra in 2000, and followed up by a refurbished (and more powerful) Pathfinder and Frontier in 2001, the company has learned some basic truths about American buyers. Specifically, we Yanks like our cars roomy and powerful...
The key words here are Yanks and Powerful.
I think he is right on target! What do you think?
Jim
I agree about the power, but to a certain extent roomy isn't in Subaru's market. Remember, this is Subaru-- a successful, but tiny niche player.
They're not Nissan, Honda, or Toyota. They tried to compete head-to-head in the compact market around 1993 and it was a mistake-- Impreza sales were just a footnote for years. They should have brought the Impreza turbo in right away, and forgot about trying to matchup the 1.8L against the Civic, Sentra and Corolla. Even if it compared favorably those guys are on a whole different scale than Subaru. But yes, I do know that even Nissan, Honda and Toyota had to start somewhere.
So roomy in the current lineup with perhaps a minivan-- sure. Roomy in the sense of making bigger and heavier vehicles-- no, I disagree. Power... oh yeah, bring it on.
-Colin
While the current models are okay in terms of size, I do think—in time, that there could be a larger platform added to the lineup, as an addition—and not a replacement to any one model. Perhaps the larger GM/Subaru SUV platform will also produce a yet-to-be-announced sedan? Something similar to the Forester/Impreza relationship, only larger, with a wheelbase in the 110" neighborhood. Sort of a AWD value-priced Audi A-6, or Volvo S-60, or BMW 5-Series type of vehicle.
Bob
Jim
This is a given. It's well known that GM and Subaru are developing a larger SUV, to be released around 2005 or 2006. It will be badged as a Subaru, and there will a GM version as well; GM division as yet to be announced.
I could see several future spin-offs from this platform: a larger sedan, as mentioned; and perhaps a larger pickup too.
I'm talking 5 or more years down the road. I think by that time Subaru will be a larger company, and can afford to expand their marketplace into areas they have not ventured into before. Remember, it wasn't that long ago when Honda was the same size Subaru is today. Anything's possible.
Bob
Beth wanted the sliding door, higher bucket second row when we got Emily as a baby. Her back just couldn't handle the stretch into the Toyota wagons with conventional doors.
With the Honda, the 'magic seat' stays in the well unless needed, leaving a space you could store another car in! Now if it only had AWD...
Steve
-mike
I think that a vehicle in which you can carry lots of stuff or people (or both) safely and conveniently is a great idea. I won't argue that snow tires are not very effective -- I saw a magazine article where snow tires on a RWD beat M&S tires on an AWD. Fine. But that makes sense only in a few regions of the country and during certain times of the year.
I did get the Forester site up and running, and there is more info and pixs. It appears that the Canadian Forester will be "contented" the same as the American Forester.
Bob
http://www.subaru.ca/
Also, I'll be hitting the Milwaukee show this coming weekend (Feb 23). While it doesn't have nearly the selection of vehicles on display, I'll try to get more pics.
-Brian
Jim
However, http://www.wrx.ca/ has an HTML link and a Flash link.
-Brian
Everytime you click on a photo you almost have to go through the same loading process, even when you click for the english version it is the same reload crap.
Cheers Pat.
I am so impatient at times I almost said to hell with it I do not have the time to wait for this, and I,m sure I am not the only one.
cheers Pat.
-Brian
I just realized something on the new Forester. Still no power seat!! Ugh! I'd have to try it out, but I'm willing to bet that I still can't fit comfortably in this for long drives.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I really do wish Subaru of would offer non-Flash versions of their respective sites. And... when will we see an English version of the SOJ site—and not just an English version of what they sell in Europe, but what they sell in Japan? Think it will ever happen? If Subaru of Canada can offer both French and English versions of their site, is it too much to ask that SOJ do the same? Afterall, English is really an "international" language these days.
Bob
Maybe it is only my memory (or my generation) talking, but I cannot see how an AWD mini van (or name it what you will) would not be a huge success. I mean, what are SUV's really, I mean really? They started out as big old station wagons set up to get over rough roads -- carry stuff and people. Maybe they've taken on a "style" of their own, but they're really station wagons and mini vans in disguise: just a box with a motor in it.
Man, I loved that VW bus. Of course, I didn't have to drive it.
Bob
Ross
Ken
-Dennis
-mike
Some STi models had the driver-adjustable center diff. Most of them did not, but yes, it was a normal production car option.
-Colin
I think you're right. The manually controlled AWD system is only for the rally car, not the STi.
Ken
My wife says the Legacy is too small for her. I like small, nimble vehicles, but I can't even get her to test drive a Legacy GT sedan or LL Bean Outback.
So yes, I think using the 2005 SUW platform for a sedan, too, may be a good idea. In fact I think it could replace the VDC models in the lineup.
The minivan market is shrinking, and there are more and more models competing. It's pretty cut-throat, so I doubt Subaru would invest much to enter that market. So we'd get a Traviq instead of a new model. It's not a real Subie, though, so I pass.
-juice
Sounds like your wife is looking for a big people hauler! That's gotta be frustrating -- not being able to sway her into the Subaru camp! :-)
That's okay. My wife doesn't get my obsession with our vehicles too. A little variety in the family doesn't hurt either.
Ken
-Brian
My biggest complaint on the Forester is the brakes. We'll hit 30k this year, and I'm going to do something to make it stop better, I just haven't figured out what yet. Not only is our pedal softer than we like, it's just plain reluctant. I want to feel the deceleration when I ask for it, please, thank you very much.
The '98 tested (Consumer Reports) very well (<130' from 60 mph), but the '00 tested only average (144' from 60). I think they did something to soften the system, but I haven't found anyone with the details.
I use valvoline synpower brake fluid in all my vehicles. it performs very well, is affordable, and can be found at just about any autoparts store or even wal-mart.
anyway, just a thought. we should take this to maintenance & repair if you want to discuss further... interesting comments on the new MPV btw.
-Colin
Saw Brian's pix, great job BTW.
The Compass looked odd until I heard Jeep would try to sell it for $15k. If so, go for it.
The Mazda 6 is a looker. That is one sharp looking line of cars. 4 door, 5 door, wagon, no matter, all look great. MPV gets big improvements, too, though the ads with the Miata go a bit too far.
Brian likes the new 7, but he's in the minority I believe. I can't stand it.
2003 Forester comments:
* like the seatback map pockets, do they exist now?
* rear seat still looks tight
* cargo area looks the same, nice nets though
* are those lights in the top outer corner DRLs?
* seats look really bolstered, neat ratchets a la WRX
* so THERE are the cupholders, like the Legacy
* neat pocket in the passenger foot well
* overall the dash looks like the Acura RL, go figure
* nice glowing key ring, better than just a light
* HVAC buttons within the round knobs
* bottom looks the same: I see the fuel vapor canister, rear diffy, 13 or 15mm sway bar, exhaust with same turn as current model, less clearance in the front as it is now
So about what we expected, but nice to see it pictured.
-juice
Couldn't check out the lights on the Forester (need the key!). I was wondering what that corner light was.
I saw the MPV/miata commercial yesterday. Guess Mazda doesn't think we get the point. "Zoom, Zoom, Zoom" played throughout the Mazda section of the show, btw.
We'll probably end up getting a mini-van of some sort within a year or so. Not sure we could wait for the Subaru SUW, or if it would appeal to us (read that as 'appeal to my wife')
I also never thought I'd say that I actually LIKE a Mazda. (thanks for the review Brian #2!)
must, resist, mini-van, must, resist....
-Brian
Guess when I have to tow, I will just do it with the OB.
Steve
Regards,
Frank
-mike
-mike
238hp turbo sounds good to me! Where do I sign? Wow, I hope so. That's not light pressure, though, that's a full-blown 2.5l, perhaps sans intercooler.
tincup nailed it. The H6 Subies won a tow car of the year award, yet SoA's US lawyers still set the limit at a rather lame 1000 pounds on an unbraked (just about all) trailer.
-juice