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See the 2009 Civic Sedan Here
Will it be lower, higher when it come to the dealer? or exactly the same?
And Is it now available?
Thanks you guys in advance
P.S. I don't know that there is enough evidence to say that the Civic will have greater longevity than the Scion.
The Civic is the more practical choice, with much better fuel economy, and the option for 4-doors. That being said, the Scion offers a lot for the money, including more power and a sporty look (although the driving experience isn't more sporty than the Civic, if you ask me).
25 years and counting should be enough evidence of the Civic's longevity! Let's see how the Scion looks and ranks after a quarter of a century! :shades:
Toyota has a pretty darn good long term reliability record also... and Scion is a Toyota under a different badge.
Second Honda of Keene in Swazey, NH ask for George only
$19,900 plus tax. I will get mine by mid October
But since it is already September, I am thinking again if it is wise to wait for a month to buy civic 2009 coupe. But if it takes too long for the Civic Coupe to come in the market, I may have to skip 2009, as we badly need a second car.
I see that civic 2009 comes with (VSA®) and tire pressure (TPMS).
Please advice.
Thanks
Sam
With VSA it will be 20K plus. That may not be worth the wait and money for people looking right now. And there is no idea when coupe will be available in the market.
The only new feature is VSA which is only on the EX-L.
If you're getting an LX Coupe, hardly anything (other than changes to the exterior look) is different between '08 and '09. Go for whichever you get the best deal on.
If you are pointing out the the reputation of the Honda Civic over several decades, does not inherently mean every Honda is as reputable. How on earth do you justify suggesting that the Scion will live up to the Toyota reputation for quality. :shades:
Oh by the way, I've heard Toyota has had 1 or 2 recalls recently.
BTW, here's a list of the nine recalls to date on the 2006 Civic (some apply to the 2007 Civic also):
http://www.automotive.com/2006/12/honda/civic/recalls/index.html
It is the number 3 or 4 vehicle in terms of sales; you just don't see them because they are so new, i'd guess. I notice at least one a day on my relatively limited commute.
For the record, after the way American Honda (and our local dealer who used to be stellar in terms of service after the sale) has treated my mother and father regarding their suspension problem (refusing to help pay on the tires that the faulty suspension ruined at 30k miles, and again at 54k), I'll think long and hard before considering Honda again, despite how happy I am with my 2006 Accord.
Just be aware, no car is flawless; including the Civic.
You suggest that there is no evidence of the outstanding reliability of the Civic. Here is one small piece:
"The 2008 Honda Civic became America's current best selling vehicle in May, as some 53,299 examples hit the road in a single month"
This article was found on Inside Line of Edmunds dated 6/18/08
Here is another small piece of evidence:
"The best sold cars in the U.S. are made by Honda [whose] strenghis its consistency"
Consumer Reports in April 2008
The Civic, introduced in the U.S. in 1972, is now in its eighth generation.
The Scion can only hope to have this type of success in the future.
I believe you misunderstand, if you think the Scion, can honestly hold its own against the Civic in terms of reliability. :shades:
"The 2008 Honda Civic became America's current best selling vehicle in May, as some 53,299 examples hit the road in a single month"
This article was found on Inside Line of Edmunds dated 6/18/08
That's great. Recently, the Ford F-150 truck was the best-selling vehicle. Did that make it most reliable?
The Civic, introduced in the U.S. in 1972, is now in its eighth generation.
The Scion can only hope to have this type of success in the future.
I believe you misunderstand, if you think the Scion, can honestly hold its own against the Civic in terms of reliability.
Again I ask, does the fact that Ford has been making the F-Series Pickup truck longer than the Civic mean that it will be inherently more reliable?
I'll answer for you... it doesn't work that way.
Second, you are neglecting the fact that Scions are re-badged Toyotas, with parts shared with other Toyotas e.g. Yaris and Corolla. Note that the Corolla debuted in the U.S. in the mid-'60s--before the Civic. By your logic, that would make the Toyotas/Scions more reliable than the Civic, correct?
Second, as thegraduate pointed out, you are using sales success to demonstrate that the Civic is more reliable than the Scion. There isn't a direct correlation from sales numbers to reliability.
As I said earlier, when you have some evidence that the Civic is significantly more reliable than Scions, please share it with us. Your opinion that the Civic is more reliable than Scion doesn't make it a fact.
That's great. Recently, the Ford F-150 truck was the best-selling vehicle. Did that make it most reliable?
Record sales figures seemed like evidence to me. (Oh BTW these aren't bloated best selling figures that include fleet sales like that of the F-150)
So to be clear, I am pointing out the reliabilty of the Civic in comparison to the Scion. I never said it was the most reliable car ever!
Are you suggesting that the Scion is just as reliable? Please offer some evidence in support, if this is your position. :shades:
Just because I did no use spell check, does not mean the information is fabricated, as you suggest.
You keep restating the Scion and Toyota relationship. Why?
Perhaps it's because the Scion alone can not stand up to the Civic alone.
You asked for evidence. I attempted to provide evidence.
Sales figures alone are not a direct correlation to reliability, and neither is the fact that Honda has manufactured the Civic for such a long time. Combine these facts with all the other data available, however, and my opinion is that the Civic has more reliable than the Scion.
If you have some facts, other than the Scion is a re-badged Toyota to support your opinion, please feel free to enlighten the rest of us.
BTW significantly more reliable seems kind of relative. How in your opinion, do you measure significantly more reliable?
arguconversation need to start a new topic for that.Let's get back to the new Civic here.
Thanks.
I think that the new Civic is one of the best values in todays' market. :shades:
I'll be happy to continue discussion there if others would like to follow. I have that discussion on my "Watch" list, so new posts will be seen by me.
Thanks!
TheGrad
The Sandman
Too bad. I have to take a bus to school for a month
And If I go to a dealer on 25th Sept, I may have to wait to order a car (in case the color I want is not available) not just go and drive it back home
Anyways thanks you guys
Anyone have any pics of the 09 Si?
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2009-honda-civic-sedan-brochure/981992/
09 Civic in the new Dyno Blue color.
I bought it for $20,000 + the extra tack on dealer processing fee of $159.00.....so the car is costing $20,159.00.........$516.00 off of list on the car plus tax, license transfer, and title fee. In Illinois, this will be 6 1/2% tax + $15.00 license plate transfer + $65.00 for the title. $21,549.34 out the door.