Neither are known for transmission problems; I'd say both are safe bets. The Civic being a 5-speed automatic will be better for acceleration and fuel economy, however. Last I checked, the Scion was a 4-speed. Has it been upgraded to a 5-speed?
Anyone know when it will be available? I'm gonna buy one but I'm not sure that I should buy 08 or 09 civic LX. If the price is not so different, I'll buy 09. pls give me an advice. I don't know a bit about car
Thank-you very much for your replies, thegraduate! My wife and I are comming into some money in October. This is turning out to be the hardest decision that we have ever made as far as buying a car. Do we stick with the Honda Civic Coupe with it's great gas milage or go with the Scion with it's looks and more power, i.e., 161 hp vs 140? From what I can tell the quality is basically even with the Honda Civic having the better LONGIVITY which is very important. We need a car in which the drivetrain will LAST! We apprecitate any help from anyone knowlegable in this regard! tyvm and tc Pam and Randy :shades:
Both cars should be very reliable, and the drivetrain will last a long time in either with proper maintenance. So I think you should focus on other, more different, aspects of the car, e.g. fuel economy, safety, interior room and comfort, interior and exterior styling, handling, cargo capacity etc.
P.S. I don't know that there is enough evidence to say that the Civic will have greater longevity than the Scion.
I'd agree with you on all points. The Civic should be reliable, but the Scion hasn't done anything to show it won't be either.
The Civic is the more practical choice, with much better fuel economy, and the option for 4-doors. That being said, the Scion offers a lot for the money, including more power and a sporty look (although the driving experience isn't more sporty than the Civic, if you ask me).
P.S. I don't know that there is enough evidence to say that the Civic will have greater longevity than the Scion
25 years and counting should be enough evidence of the Civic's longevity! Let's see how the Scion looks and ranks after a quarter of a century! :shades:
Just ordered Civic LX-S in Metallic Metal. Having checked prices with at least 50 dealers in NY, NJ, PA, MA, and NH. Other than the many that denied there was an LX-S and the many that tried to hide destination charge, and wanted to charge double for adding fogs and splash guards - I did have 2 dealers I would recommend. First White Plains Honda in NY ask for Walter and Tom Second Honda of Keene in Swazey, NH ask for George only
I am about to buy new civic LX 2008 coupe. Had finance approved and I am getting the vehicle at near invoice price.
But since it is already September, I am thinking again if it is wise to wait for a month to buy civic 2009 coupe. But if it takes too long for the Civic Coupe to come in the market, I may have to skip 2009, as we badly need a second car.
I see that civic 2009 comes with (VSA®) and tire pressure (TPMS).
In Civic 2009, Vehicle Stability Assist™ (VSA®) with Traction Control is available in EX/EX-L. Where as Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) is a standard option in all models.
With VSA it will be 20K plus. That may not be worth the wait and money for people looking right now. And there is no idea when coupe will be available in the market.
Does anyone know if the 2009 will have that black carpet-like material inside the trunk lid ? This is used to lesson road noise inside the cabin. The 2008 LX I drove didn't have it, but I have noticed it being there in earlier models. An 06 and 07 EX had it. Is this only in the EX ? Thanks, Johnc27
That can be retrofitted very easily. Just some drilling and some touch up paint and your good to go. Most of the installation is just installing some clips. Touch up paint of your Civic's color is needed but thats fine.
The only new feature is VSA which is only on the EX-L.
If you're getting an LX Coupe, hardly anything (other than changes to the exterior look) is different between '08 and '09. Go for whichever you get the best deal on.
I believe you just contradicted yourself. If you are pointing out the the reputation of the Honda Civic over several decades, does not inherently mean every Honda is as reputable. How on earth do you justify suggesting that the Scion will live up to the Toyota reputation for quality. :shades: Oh by the way, I've heard Toyota has had 1 or 2 recalls recently.
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say, in response to your assertion that a Civic will be more reliable than a Scion. So I will clarify: both Honda and Scion (and its parent Toyota) have excellent reliability records. If there is any evidence to say that the Civic will be significantly more reliable than a Scion, I haven't seen it. But feel free to provide it, if you have it.
BTW, here's a list of the nine recalls to date on the 2006 Civic (some apply to the 2007 Civic also):
I was seriously considering a Scion tC or a Corolla. But looking at the many forums available online, forget it!! Toyota has had excellant quality in their Corollas in the past, but from what I see recently, IT AIN'T THERE NOW! Without a doubt we will purchase either a Honda Civic EX or an '09 Mazda3/6. I looked inside an EX just the other day and the interior is awesome....no cheap stuff there! My mother had an '08 Corolla brand new and right off the bat, she started having problems with the automatic transmission. Interesting that I don't see too many '09 Corollas on the road! Keep up the great work HONDA!!! :shades:
My mother had an '08 Corolla brand new and right off the bat, she started having problems with the automatic transmission. Interesting that I don't see too many '09 Corollas on the road! Keep up the great work HONDA!!!
It is the number 3 or 4 vehicle in terms of sales; you just don't see them because they are so new, i'd guess. I notice at least one a day on my relatively limited commute.
For the record, after the way American Honda (and our local dealer who used to be stellar in terms of service after the sale) has treated my mother and father regarding their suspension problem (refusing to help pay on the tires that the faulty suspension ruined at 30k miles, and again at 54k), I'll think long and hard before considering Honda again, despite how happy I am with my 2006 Accord.
Just be aware, no car is flawless; including the Civic.
".....because they are so new, I'd guess." The '09 Corollas have been out for SEVERAL months. Sorry to hear about your parents getting screwed. You are correct, no car is flawless. It is amazing what you can find out in the forums! I am a people greeter at Wal-Mart. Without a doubt, those who own Honda Civics are happier than those who own Corollas/Scions. Hmmmm, I think that says something too, don't you? :shades:
I did not misunderstand. I just do not agree. You suggest that there is no evidence of the outstanding reliability of the Civic. Here is one small piece: "The 2008 Honda Civic became America's current best selling vehicle in May, as some 53,299 examples hit the road in a single month" This article was found on Inside Line of Edmunds dated 6/18/08
Here is another small piece of evidence: "The best sold cars in the U.S. are made by Honda [whose] strenghis its consistency" Consumer Reports in April 2008
The Civic, introduced in the U.S. in 1972, is now in its eighth generation. The Scion can only hope to have this type of success in the future. I believe you misunderstand, if you think the Scion, can honestly hold its own against the Civic in terms of reliability. :shades:
You suggest that there is no evidence of the outstanding reliability of the Civic. Here is one small piece: "The 2008 Honda Civic became America's current best selling vehicle in May, as some 53,299 examples hit the road in a single month" This article was found on Inside Line of Edmunds dated 6/18/08
That's great. Recently, the Ford F-150 truck was the best-selling vehicle. Did that make it most reliable?
The Civic, introduced in the U.S. in 1972, is now in its eighth generation. The Scion can only hope to have this type of success in the future. I believe you misunderstand, if you think the Scion, can honestly hold its own against the Civic in terms of reliability.
Again I ask, does the fact that Ford has been making the F-Series Pickup truck longer than the Civic mean that it will be inherently more reliable?
First, you purported to quote from CR when in fact what you put as a quote would never make it into their publication, as it had multiple errors. When you post a quote from some source, it should be accurate.
Second, you are neglecting the fact that Scions are re-badged Toyotas, with parts shared with other Toyotas e.g. Yaris and Corolla. Note that the Corolla debuted in the U.S. in the mid-'60s--before the Civic. By your logic, that would make the Toyotas/Scions more reliable than the Civic, correct?
Second, as thegraduate pointed out, you are using sales success to demonstrate that the Civic is more reliable than the Scion. There isn't a direct correlation from sales numbers to reliability.
As I said earlier, when you have some evidence that the Civic is significantly more reliable than Scions, please share it with us. Your opinion that the Civic is more reliable than Scion doesn't make it a fact.
the previous posting suggested that there was no evidence of the reliabilty of the Honda Civic. I simply pointed out some facts, which I believe do suggest reliabilty.
That's great. Recently, the Ford F-150 truck was the best-selling vehicle. Did that make it most reliable? Record sales figures seemed like evidence to me. (Oh BTW these aren't bloated best selling figures that include fleet sales like that of the F-150)
So to be clear, I am pointing out the reliabilty of the Civic in comparison to the Scion. I never said it was the most reliable car ever!
Are you suggesting that the Scion is just as reliable? Please offer some evidence in support, if this is your position. :shades:
First, you purported to quote from CR when in fact what you put as a quote would never make it into their publication, as it had multiple errors. When you post a quote from some source, it should be accurate
Just because I did no use spell check, does not mean the information is fabricated, as you suggest. You keep restating the Scion and Toyota relationship. Why? Perhaps it's because the Scion alone can not stand up to the Civic alone. You asked for evidence. I attempted to provide evidence.
Sales figures alone are not a direct correlation to reliability, and neither is the fact that Honda has manufactured the Civic for such a long time. Combine these facts with all the other data available, however, and my opinion is that the Civic has more reliable than the Scion.
If you have some facts, other than the Scion is a re-badged Toyota to support your opinion, please feel free to enlighten the rest of us. BTW significantly more reliable seems kind of relative. How in your opinion, do you measure significantly more reliable?
Howdy all, I have been following this discussion since the beginning but this is my first post. I am planning on buying a 2009 Civic SI in the Spring or possibly the Summer of 09. From reading the posts I see that the SI will be hitting dealerships in mid Sept. but does anybody know when we will actually be able to see one? I have seen the pics in the brochures, but I want to see the real thing. I cant even find any spy pics or info. Every other car seems to have at least some spy pics or other info but Honda plays as if they were holding on to top secret info. Any body know anything? Thanks for any info and keep up the good posts.
The pictures show very little change in the design. Go check out an 08 in person. Chances are if you like that, you'll like the 09. Honda isn't making big changes since the Civic is already a top seller.
Thanks. I have driven an 06 LX, my Mom's, and I have seen an 08 close up. I know the mods are minor, looks like HP and torque are the same as is EPA gas mileage, but it looks like the headlights might be projectors? And the new wheels and colors are more of what I am interested in and if there will be any noticeable interior changes. Im not getting leather or NAV, so Im just wondering about cosmetic stuff. truly Im just impatient and have been bugging my local dealer mercilessly...oh wellll good things come to those who wait right? :P
The new '09 Civics have started to show up at the St Louis area Honda dealers....we just ordered a new '09 Civic EX sedan in polished metal metallic and it is due in around the 25th of September.
Since they've discontinued this great color, what color will be taking it's place now? Really do like the new LX-S version also...nice seat fabric from what I've seen online.
It means that I cannot buy a new 09 civic sedan before 25th Sept, right? Too bad. I have to take a bus to school for a month And If I go to a dealer on 25th Sept, I may have to wait to order a car (in case the color I want is not available) not just go and drive it back home Anyways thanks you guys
That's not necessarily true. My local dealer (Florence, AL) shows one '09 Hybrid and one '09 EX-L in their inventory on their website. So, they are slowly trickling in... the month wait is probably just for specific orders that are made.
I rode my motorcycle through another St Louis area dealer today and saw several '09 Civics on the lot..........I am not getting mine until around the 25th due to color and model selection. I wanted a Civic EX sedan auto in polished metal metallic....it is a little darker with more metallic than last year's galaxy gray.
I too have been shopping for a 2009 Si. The dealer I'm going to in Schenectady, NY said he wouldn't have any 2009 Si's until the first week in October if I had ordered it before Sept 1st but I didn't order it yet so I won't get mine until Mid-October probably. I'm waiting to go meet the guy and see the new colors before I make any decision. I'm looking to buy a sedan with navi.
How much are you paying for the new '09 Civics Ex sedan? I am looking for one as well but in San Francisco. Just want to know what is a reasonable price.
The '09 EX sedan auto retails for $20,675.00 with shipping and no dealer add ons. I bought it for $20,000 + the extra tack on dealer processing fee of $159.00.....so the car is costing $20,159.00.........$516.00 off of list on the car plus tax, license transfer, and title fee. In Illinois, this will be 6 1/2% tax + $15.00 license plate transfer + $65.00 for the title. $21,549.34 out the door.
Comments
See the 2009 Civic Sedan Here
Will it be lower, higher when it come to the dealer? or exactly the same?
And Is it now available?
Thanks you guys in advance
P.S. I don't know that there is enough evidence to say that the Civic will have greater longevity than the Scion.
The Civic is the more practical choice, with much better fuel economy, and the option for 4-doors. That being said, the Scion offers a lot for the money, including more power and a sporty look (although the driving experience isn't more sporty than the Civic, if you ask me).
25 years and counting should be enough evidence of the Civic's longevity! Let's see how the Scion looks and ranks after a quarter of a century! :shades:
Toyota has a pretty darn good long term reliability record also... and Scion is a Toyota under a different badge.
Second Honda of Keene in Swazey, NH ask for George only
$19,900 plus tax. I will get mine by mid October
But since it is already September, I am thinking again if it is wise to wait for a month to buy civic 2009 coupe. But if it takes too long for the Civic Coupe to come in the market, I may have to skip 2009, as we badly need a second car.
I see that civic 2009 comes with (VSA®) and tire pressure (TPMS).
Please advice.
Thanks
Sam
With VSA it will be 20K plus. That may not be worth the wait and money for people looking right now. And there is no idea when coupe will be available in the market.
The only new feature is VSA which is only on the EX-L.
If you're getting an LX Coupe, hardly anything (other than changes to the exterior look) is different between '08 and '09. Go for whichever you get the best deal on.
If you are pointing out the the reputation of the Honda Civic over several decades, does not inherently mean every Honda is as reputable. How on earth do you justify suggesting that the Scion will live up to the Toyota reputation for quality. :shades:
Oh by the way, I've heard Toyota has had 1 or 2 recalls recently.
BTW, here's a list of the nine recalls to date on the 2006 Civic (some apply to the 2007 Civic also):
http://www.automotive.com/2006/12/honda/civic/recalls/index.html
It is the number 3 or 4 vehicle in terms of sales; you just don't see them because they are so new, i'd guess. I notice at least one a day on my relatively limited commute.
For the record, after the way American Honda (and our local dealer who used to be stellar in terms of service after the sale) has treated my mother and father regarding their suspension problem (refusing to help pay on the tires that the faulty suspension ruined at 30k miles, and again at 54k), I'll think long and hard before considering Honda again, despite how happy I am with my 2006 Accord.
Just be aware, no car is flawless; including the Civic.
You suggest that there is no evidence of the outstanding reliability of the Civic. Here is one small piece:
"The 2008 Honda Civic became America's current best selling vehicle in May, as some 53,299 examples hit the road in a single month"
This article was found on Inside Line of Edmunds dated 6/18/08
Here is another small piece of evidence:
"The best sold cars in the U.S. are made by Honda [whose] strenghis its consistency"
Consumer Reports in April 2008
The Civic, introduced in the U.S. in 1972, is now in its eighth generation.
The Scion can only hope to have this type of success in the future.
I believe you misunderstand, if you think the Scion, can honestly hold its own against the Civic in terms of reliability. :shades:
"The 2008 Honda Civic became America's current best selling vehicle in May, as some 53,299 examples hit the road in a single month"
This article was found on Inside Line of Edmunds dated 6/18/08
That's great. Recently, the Ford F-150 truck was the best-selling vehicle. Did that make it most reliable?
The Civic, introduced in the U.S. in 1972, is now in its eighth generation.
The Scion can only hope to have this type of success in the future.
I believe you misunderstand, if you think the Scion, can honestly hold its own against the Civic in terms of reliability.
Again I ask, does the fact that Ford has been making the F-Series Pickup truck longer than the Civic mean that it will be inherently more reliable?
I'll answer for you... it doesn't work that way.
Second, you are neglecting the fact that Scions are re-badged Toyotas, with parts shared with other Toyotas e.g. Yaris and Corolla. Note that the Corolla debuted in the U.S. in the mid-'60s--before the Civic. By your logic, that would make the Toyotas/Scions more reliable than the Civic, correct?
Second, as thegraduate pointed out, you are using sales success to demonstrate that the Civic is more reliable than the Scion. There isn't a direct correlation from sales numbers to reliability.
As I said earlier, when you have some evidence that the Civic is significantly more reliable than Scions, please share it with us. Your opinion that the Civic is more reliable than Scion doesn't make it a fact.
That's great. Recently, the Ford F-150 truck was the best-selling vehicle. Did that make it most reliable?
Record sales figures seemed like evidence to me. (Oh BTW these aren't bloated best selling figures that include fleet sales like that of the F-150)
So to be clear, I am pointing out the reliabilty of the Civic in comparison to the Scion. I never said it was the most reliable car ever!
Are you suggesting that the Scion is just as reliable? Please offer some evidence in support, if this is your position. :shades:
Just because I did no use spell check, does not mean the information is fabricated, as you suggest.
You keep restating the Scion and Toyota relationship. Why?
Perhaps it's because the Scion alone can not stand up to the Civic alone.
You asked for evidence. I attempted to provide evidence.
Sales figures alone are not a direct correlation to reliability, and neither is the fact that Honda has manufactured the Civic for such a long time. Combine these facts with all the other data available, however, and my opinion is that the Civic has more reliable than the Scion.
If you have some facts, other than the Scion is a re-badged Toyota to support your opinion, please feel free to enlighten the rest of us.
BTW significantly more reliable seems kind of relative. How in your opinion, do you measure significantly more reliable?
arguconversation need to start a new topic for that.Let's get back to the new Civic here.
Thanks.
I think that the new Civic is one of the best values in todays' market. :shades:
I'll be happy to continue discussion there if others would like to follow. I have that discussion on my "Watch" list, so new posts will be seen by me.
Thanks!
TheGrad
The Sandman
Too bad. I have to take a bus to school for a month
And If I go to a dealer on 25th Sept, I may have to wait to order a car (in case the color I want is not available) not just go and drive it back home
Anyways thanks you guys
Anyone have any pics of the 09 Si?
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2009-honda-civic-sedan-brochure/981992/
09 Civic in the new Dyno Blue color.
I bought it for $20,000 + the extra tack on dealer processing fee of $159.00.....so the car is costing $20,159.00.........$516.00 off of list on the car plus tax, license transfer, and title fee. In Illinois, this will be 6 1/2% tax + $15.00 license plate transfer + $65.00 for the title. $21,549.34 out the door.