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Bulging tires are bad for turning response.
you are totally right, especially about trusting the speed shop. Most of the Soob tuners on the web like Cobb, Rallispec, SPDUSA, etc., shy away from the brands sold at Tirerack and the like. I don't think anybody was saying you had to use an OEM rim. Just that the rims the Soob speed guys recommend are awfully pricey (OZ, Speedline, Raceline, and such). for those of us with 15" rims, upgrading to a 16" Soob rim usually nets a nice wheel at a good price. Certainly not the only choice though. Hope you don't feel too ganged up on, buddy. Stick around, it is nice to have a fresh voice!
Perhaps an acceptable offset range for 6" wide rims, which as I've said before I'm not interested in for performance street or race tires. I do have a set of 15x6 subaru steelies with snow tires, but 1) they were cheap and 2) I'm not positive that a GM wheel would clear the brakes. The subaru one definitely does.
The offset you listed isn't remotely close for a 7", 7.5" or 8" though. Now try finding those, and if you succeed let me know because I looked.
My 16"x7" are 40mm. So the new rims are an inch wider and 15mm further from the spring base. Inch wider means 25.4mm wider, but only half of that lies on each side, so about 13mm more clearance is required. I netted 2mm of room on the inside. On the outside, the wheels bulge out much further, 15+13=28mm or so, or more than an inch.
In practice, my tires are also wider and taller, which complicates things. The results is the clearance is about the same as it was before (I lost those 2mm and maybe a little more), with rims that are about flush with the side of the body. Fender flares were almost a necessity, and even with them I can spray quite a bit of sand from the wider tires.
Long story short, they fit fine. The rear spring base has plenty of clearance. Actually, the bigger diameter put me close to the front mud flap - very close - but not touching.
Speed shops tend to work with very expensive wheels, which if you're racing is fine. But they cost an arm and a leg, and you have to wonder if much lighter (and more expensive) wheels are as durable.
To each his own. That's why there are so many choices.
Don't put 40mm offset rims on your Subarus guys, it wont work. We have ONE! pre-production fleet car that came with a set of +48mm offset rims (16X7JJ), that is the absolute limit of what I would recommend. I mounted them up on my personal car for kicks(w/BFG 215/50VR16s and STi V5 suspension) and they still rub a bit.
Don;t have any concerns if I feel ganged up on I will make It known.
That one may have rubbed because you had wider tires (by 10mm) or because the rims had an offset not low enough given its width.
Mine is a Forester. Bigger fender wells and more room to play with. I suspect the Outback also has more room than an RS, though not as much as a Forester.
I thought about the wheel bearings, too. So far no problems, but again I'm sure the Forester has more room for "play" than an RS or GT.
since it seems the winter is over here, no more snow, i am putting my springs back in and taking off my winter tires.
They shouldn't be a problem on a '96 legacy, but I don't know for sure.
you are most likely looking at the BBS style 16X6.5JJ legacy wheels.
I would use 205/55R16s on them.
on a side note, Potenza S-02 PPs in that size are going for under $160 now (AVS Sport territory). good buy for a very very good summer tire.
I would also recommend the Toyo Proxes or Potenza RE730 in the 205/50R16 size if you want to liven up your car a bit.
The 205/55R16 may have a bigger diameter.
it is a site for Impreza RS enthusiasts, but also has a forum for Legacy owners. Click on "Bulletin Boards" to get to the heart of it.
The folks there are, uh, enthusiastic? Yea, enthusiastic, and pretty young by and large. What I'm saying is, you might want to pick a different login name, as some of the kids there have a bias against slammed civics ;')
There is a lot of static on those boards, but a lot of good information too. Worth checking out.
This townhall is great however. Still unpolluted by the rascals. hahahahah.... ok i better stop drinking my Dasani.
Everyone: Ryan works for Fuji Heavy. I can't remember for sure what group he works with but I'm leaning towards suspension.
Hey, how do I get on the payroll? ;o)
Since it's less busy there are also fewer trolls, and the few that exist don't stick around because they don't get the kind of reaction they would from a busier, more fanatical type of board.
An example: a troll goes to vwvortex.com and tells them all VW's stink. He gets a HUGE response from peeved loyalists. Here, he'd mostly be ignored.
Just pipe dreaming here but play along with me. I'm thinking about getting snow tires for next season (Geolandars will have to get me through '01). Here are the options I'm considering:
1. Put 15" snows (Arctic Alpins) on Forester L steelies, replace Geolandars with??? on stock Forester S 16" alloys
2. Put snows (Arctic Alpins) on stock Forester S 16" alloys, buy 17" alloys with some performance tire for 3 seasons
Option 1 would be the least expensive, but option 2 really tempts me. I saw some sweet anthracite Speedlines on a Forester WR Sport by Prodrive in the UK last fall. Rallispec also offers OZ Superleggeras in anthracite for Subarus at $295/ea. Anthracite alloys on my black/slate S would look neat. Heaven knows what it'd cost to get those Speedline/Prodrives in the US, though. I understand there's also some P1-style wheel now available in the states (is that the OZ?). In any case we're talking $1200+ for wheels alone, let alone summer tires (I'd guess an additional $400-500) and the Alpins (another $400?). I could come close to finishing my Stude resto with that. With option 1 it's just the cost of replacing Geolandars, a cheap set of L steelies off the web or somewhere, and the Alpins which should be a little cheaper for 15" than 16". I could forego the L wheels and get a cheap set of steelies w/Alpins premounted from the Tire Rack.
Your opinions, please? What in your experience would be the best replacement for the Geolandars (16" or 17")? I've heard Dunlop D60A2 but want to hear more. I figured here's where to start.
(edited for spelling, capitalization)
You tell em Ramon!
But then my mommy would have bought my subbie and all my burger king money could go to stickers and cheap light covers.
Btw Ryan, you know "ramon" here too. He's Gambit on the iclub. (hehe Gambit, had to blow your cover since you tried to emulate that annoying "VTEC OWNZ U" guy on ClubSi. Not that I frequent the place, but...)
Aaaaaaaaahhhh, so you are Gambit? I can be found on the i-club under the alias lucien2
I'm "ColinL" pretty much everywhere but here.
Ed: cost no object? 17" wheels on the Forester would look sweet. I'd get 'em wide and add flares to fill up the wheel well.
Realistically, though, that kind of profile completely eliminates any off road pretensions the Forester may have, and the cost is quite steep. Why get a Forester in the first place? Trade in for a WRX.
So I'd go with the 15" snows. Narrow tires bite better in snow, and the stock Geolanders aren't bad for a Forester. Unless you lower it, you aren't going to improve the handling much anyway.
Gee, wish I could afford the Forester AND a WRX. Something about having and eating cake...?
can someone put the link for i-club up.
Seamus -- I-club is here.
Lucien, I know who u are in iclub. this is no fun. must look for another subaru forum to masquerade myself as another person. hahahahaha
185/70R14? So you could get:
Plus One - 195/60R15 (+.1%, virtually identical)
Plus Two - 195/55R16 (+1%)
All are within the recommended 3% tolerance.
Thing is, a Plus Two would add a lot of unsprung weight, something to think about. I'd do the Plus One.
FWIW, I have nothing to hide; I am lark6 in i-club as well as here. I post there very rarely mainly because I'm no Soob expert yet and the posters there tend to be, well, let's say less mature than those here. For instance, my manumatic discussion would probably be met there with shouts of "you sissy! get a manual like a real man/woman!!!" followed by some sort of animated emoticon.
Manuals are just the way God intended.
Need we re-direct you to the Ferraris?
To each his (or her) own. I'm happy so long as a manual is offered.