�� Regenerative braking, which provides up to 15 kW of electricity to charge the battery �� Providing up to 11 kW (15 hp) of electric power assistance during acceleration �� Automatic engine shut-off when the vehicle is stopped �� Aggressive fuel cut-off during deceleration down to zero vehicle speed, enabled by the torque smoothing provided by the motor-generator unit �� Intelligent charge/discharge of the high-voltage battery.
Yes, MARKET share actually less than half. $1 a share? The half of news that is good!
Let's see how well the Volt sales boost total sales. I suspect the Cruze will do more for GM.
BTW, did you read this? I am going to put it on my first things to do in the New Year so I can get some more info for this forum... In 1980, J. Patrick Wright wrote a book named On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors. This book, which critics acclaimed "blows the lid off the king of carmakers" was about the allegations of corruption, "mismanagement and total irresponsibility" at the top level of the company, as seen by John Z. DeLorean, the Vice-President, who, in 1973, resigned from his position in spite of a brilliant and meteoric rise. He was earning $650,000 per year and was expected to be the next President of GM.
'Marking a first for the luxury division, General Motors’ Cadillac brand took the wraps off its new SLS 2.0T SIDI earlier today at the 2010 Guangzhou Auto Show.
Although the SLS isn’t exactly a new vehicle for Cadillac, what’s under the hood of the SLS 2.0T SIDI is. Powered by GM’s 2.0L turbocharged engine, the SLS 2.0T SIDI marks the first use of a turbocharged four-cylinder in a Cadillac product.
Essentially the same engine that was used in the Pontiac Solstice GXP, the SLS 2.0L SIDI generates 260 horsepower and 265 lb-ft or torque. Although no performance specs were given, the SLS 2.0T SIDI is likely on par with the V6-powered STS sedan sold here in the United States.
Given the SLS/STS is nearing the end of its lifecycle, it’s doubtful that such a model would ever make it to North America. However, the new engine gives GM a viable entrant into China’s popular 2.0- to 2.5-liter luxury business car segment. '
The good news is that GM continues to do well overseas. The bad news is that GM sales in the U.S. are only going to be up 2% over the same time last year. Also the last paragraph mentions that GM has some "difficult" product comparisions. Anyone here own new-GM stock, outside of a mutual fund?
It'll be interesting to see what these car companies do to meet the new CAFE numbers over the next decade. That 2.0L turbo wouldn't meet the future CAFE numbers even in the small Solstice, or as it is in the Regal now.
Hopefully GM is looking into what VW is doing - looking into small displacement engines with both a turbo and supercharger mounted on them.
I see a lot of downsizing coming. GM should be concentrating on producing a very good Spark and similar vehicles.
I see a lot of downsizing coming. GM should be concentrating on producing a very good Spark and similar vehicles.
I'm sure the auto makers will find loopholes and such. For example, don't those vehicles that can run on E85, like the Crown Vic and Impala, get some kind of special treatment when it comes to CAFE?
Plus, the numbers they use for CAFE are the raw, unadjusted numbers, not the numbers we see on the window sticker. For instance, the 4-cyl Malibu, which is rated at 22 city, 33 highway, 26 combined, actually has raw, laboratory ratings of 27.8 city, 46.8 highway, for a combined raw rating of 34.0141. And that 34.0141 is the number they use for CAFE purposes.
Where I think the auto makers are going to get hurt the most, is when they have to start including minivan and SUV statistics in with passenger cars, rather than with trucks. There are a few SUVs that score pretty well though. For instance, the 4-cyl FWD Equinox has a combined raw rating of 34.0785. Ford's hybrid Escape FWD gets 44.1352. But the big un's, like the Escalade, Suburban, Expedition, etc, get combined raw numbers around 18-20 or so. I notice though, the Expedition is now listed as a flexible fuel vehicle, so I'm sure it gets some kind of special treatment in how its abysmal fuel economy is factored in.
IIRC, the Excursion has a 44 or so gallon fuel tank, so yeah, it would be expensive to fill up. When I had my Suburban with its 31 gallon tank, $100+ fill ups were routine when gas was pushing $4/gal.
Well, there was the even more elephantine Excursion! A lady at work had a V-10 Excursion and it cost $80 to fill when gas was cheap!
Yeah, but that sucker was so big and heavy that, at the time, it was actually excluded from the CAFE regs, and there was no EPA estimate for it! If the Excursion was still built today, I wonder if the gov't would force Ford to factor its fuel economy in with passenger cars? Or, perhaps it's still heavy enough to be exempt?
I remember one time, filling up my '67 Catalina, when gasoline was still pretty expensive. That's how I discovered the pump at the local station shut off at $75.00. And it only has a 26 gallon tank.
A friend of mine dumped his Suburban for the same reason (along with an appetite for fuel pumps and Intermediate Steering shafts). Bought a Toyota Highlander instead. :shades:
I read "On a Clear Day....", thirty years ago. Even then it was an old, tattered paperback.
John had some excellent product ideas, but his integrity was less-than-golden too. In that book he knocks the Vega, but he was singing its praises to the media when he was at Chevrolet.
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Could say the same for the referenced company as of 2008....but I won't.
My resolution is not to bash GM...just be real.
The failure is over for now so I wait to see the good news and the market share. Analysts giving them a fair shot to gain market share at the moment...as long as they don't raise prices too high...and that is a global forecast.
Cadillac has stopped producing the 300-hp SRX due to slow sales (Only 5-10% of the SRX sales). Now we are stuck with the underpowered 3.0L V-6. I say Cadillac should get rid of both and offer the 3.6L as a standard equipment. Why one small engine and one expensive-yet-unrefined engine is beyond me.
Looks pretty nice to me! I guess GM is feeling the heat from the Buick dealers that they don't have enough models to sell to keep the volume up. If the car performs well and has decent interior they will sell some.
OTOH.. it is a bit pricey expect the Verano to be priced around $21,000 for base models, going as high as $26,000 for cars with all of the trimmings.
Yeah, I'll agree, that's not a bad looking little car. And they do a good job differentiating it from the Cruze. I especially like the C-pillar area. I always thought it looked a bit unfinished on the Cruze, the way they had to put that big triangular piece of plastic at the back, where the top of the window line comes down and meets the beltline in the C-pillar.
And I like the fact that they're using different engines from the Cruze. Although I'm thinking something like that should get a bit better than 22/31, since it's the same engine that the heavier Malibu uses, and the 'Bu gets 22/33. But, I think it has a few more hp in the Buick, and maybe it's geared a bit more aggressively?
And maybe when you're comparing cars in this class, the amount of weight saved really doesn't make a difference? For instance, when Honda, Toyota, and Nissan started putting midsized-car 4-cyl engines in their compacts, they weren't exactly fuel sippers. Although part of that, again, may have been more aggressive gearing to keep in spirit with the sporty intentions of the cars.
I'm not crazy about a tiny Buick like the Verano, but the Cruze platform is a quantum leap over the Cavalier on which the Cimmaron was based. Funny how BMW makes a teeny car like the 1-Series and gains acclaim whereas Buick tries it and gains derision.
The vertical grille has been a hallmark of Buick styling since 1942 as the twin kidney grille has bee the hallmark of BMW since the 1930s. I believe it could be a great move on behalf of Buick to have a small premium sedan since so many believe even the Regal is too big, (not me - all are too small aside from the Lucerne which seems dainty compared to Buicks of the past).
Well, enlighten me. What is so great about the 1-Series except to give pretentious poseurs the ability to lease one at inflated prices just so they can tell their equally shallow friends they drive a Bimmer? Heck, the 3-Series alone is diminutive enough.
Man, your bashing knows no end! I thought we were here to discuss GM's vehicles and not constantly bash them? First of all, the small Chevrolet is called a CRUZE. Second, it is FWD. Third, what is so bad about a live rear axle? The Mustang uses one. All your RWD vehicles have a live rear axle. What do you think transports power to the rear wheels?
My Mercury Grand Marquis LS handles pretty darn well in the right hands. My wife can drive her Buick LaCrosse rather aggressively. It's all about the driver.
Thanks, Lemko, for posting this. That guy is a troll of the highest order. I can look anyone straight in the eye and say that I have never seen the quantity of posts nor vitriol of this level on Toyota and Hyundai boards, that I see on this one.
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Lemko asked why the Cimarrano can't be praised like the 1-series and I answered him. So I'm kinda missing your point about how vitrol applies to our discussion. :confuse:
There you go again! The car's called a Verano! The midsize Chevrolet's called a Malibu. Get the names correct before you make any remarks. What happened? Did somebody in a Chevy run over your dog when you were a child?
Not being negative, and kind of tying in to what tlong stated, is there really a market for this size of vehicle in Buick's stable? Or is this dealers clamouring for a version of the Cruze or the powers that be falling back into the "Every brand has to have a version" mentality? I'm hoping this is not the case and GM / Buick actually did their homework on this.
The pics look o.k. Not really feeling the "t-rex grin" grille and I can't help but see Saturn Aura in the whole shape of the car, especially the headlights. Maybe tone down the grille, remove the chrome taillight eyebrows and rethink the price point.
I don't know think she could match acceleration, but I think she could handle the LaCrosse well on the twisties. She's a little girl, but she can drive anything well from the tiniest subcompact to a Mercury Grand Marquis.
Well forgive me, I was thinking the Charger with the 3.5 V6 SE maybe? Anyways, while I got a smile about your wife for being a little firecracker, my point is in the hands of a professional driver (Not myself ) I would expect the Charger outpace the Lacrosse handidly being RWD biased. You may not feel it and your wife may not feel it but traditional RWD has it's advantages in handling.
>Thanks, Lemko, for posting ... troll of the highest order.
Let the hosts know your feelings with emails. For years in forums that are positive in topic the derision by a few posters has been never-ending, until recently. The GM Fans topic was started just for that problem.
And I like the fact that they're using different engines from the Cruze
Me too, if you are attemping to a get a price premium over the Chevy version you have to bring something else to the table. The engine choices are a starting point as is an upscale interior.
"Cadillac Studying Building Version Of Chevy Traverse; "Likely to be built"
With the Saturn Outlook gone, Cadillac has room for its own rebadge...
Excuse me, but why does this seem like the same old rebadging GM? Why can't they just get that old behavior out of their system? With FOUR rebadges of the same vehicle in the past, wasn't that just a bit much? And now that they killed Saturn and Pontiac, they need a Caddy version? :confuse: :surprise:
With the Saturn Outlook gone, Cadillac has room for its own rebadge...
I really hope they don't do this, unless they can find a way to truly differentiate it from the Buick Enclave. And I have a feeling that's going to be hard to do, since the Enclave is already a really nice, luxurious ride. Sure, they can make it LOOK different, with crisper, bolder Cadillac-esque sheetmetal, but I just don't know if this is something that needs to be built.
Around these parts at least, Buicks, Cadillacs, and GMCs are sold under the same roof. There's the Acadia for the more entry level, trucky-type crossover, and the Enclave for the more luxurious crossover, so I'm not sure where that leaves Cadillac.
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�� Providing up to 11 kW (15 hp) of electric power assistance during acceleration
�� Automatic engine shut-off when the vehicle is stopped
�� Aggressive fuel cut-off during deceleration down to zero vehicle speed, enabled
by the torque smoothing provided by the motor-generator unit
�� Intelligent charge/discharge of the high-voltage battery.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Let's see how well the Volt sales boost total sales. I suspect the Cruze will do more for GM.
BTW, did you read this? I am going to put it on my first things to do in the New Year so I can get some more info for this forum...
In 1980, J. Patrick Wright wrote a book named On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors. This book, which critics acclaimed "blows the lid off the king of carmakers" was about the allegations of corruption, "mismanagement and total irresponsibility" at the top level of the company, as seen by John Z. DeLorean, the Vice-President, who, in 1973, resigned from his position in spite of a brilliant and meteoric rise. He was earning $650,000 per year and was expected to be the next President of GM.
Regards,
OW
Although the SLS isn’t exactly a new vehicle for Cadillac, what’s under the hood of the SLS 2.0T SIDI is. Powered by GM’s 2.0L turbocharged engine, the SLS 2.0T SIDI marks the first use of a turbocharged four-cylinder in a Cadillac product.
Essentially the same engine that was used in the Pontiac Solstice GXP, the SLS 2.0L SIDI generates 260 horsepower and 265 lb-ft or torque. Although no performance specs were given, the SLS 2.0T SIDI is likely on par with the V6-powered STS sedan sold here in the United States.
Given the SLS/STS is nearing the end of its lifecycle, it’s doubtful that such a model would ever make it to North America. However, the new engine gives GM a viable entrant into China’s popular 2.0- to 2.5-liter luxury business car segment. '
http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac-sls-20t-sidi.html
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/gm-shares-rise-on-upbeat-analyst-notes-2010-12-- 28
Hopefully GM is looking into what VW is doing - looking into small displacement engines with both a turbo and supercharger mounted on them.
I see a lot of downsizing coming. GM should be concentrating on producing a very good Spark and similar vehicles.
I'm sure the auto makers will find loopholes and such. For example, don't those vehicles that can run on E85, like the Crown Vic and Impala, get some kind of special treatment when it comes to CAFE?
Plus, the numbers they use for CAFE are the raw, unadjusted numbers, not the numbers we see on the window sticker. For instance, the 4-cyl Malibu, which is rated at 22 city, 33 highway, 26 combined, actually has raw, laboratory ratings of 27.8 city, 46.8 highway, for a combined raw rating of 34.0141. And that 34.0141 is the number they use for CAFE purposes.
Where I think the auto makers are going to get hurt the most, is when they have to start including minivan and SUV statistics in with passenger cars, rather than with trucks. There are a few SUVs that score pretty well though. For instance, the 4-cyl FWD Equinox has a combined raw rating of 34.0785. Ford's hybrid Escape FWD gets 44.1352. But the big un's, like the Escalade, Suburban, Expedition, etc, get combined raw numbers around 18-20 or so. I notice though, the Expedition is now listed as a flexible fuel vehicle, so I'm sure it gets some kind of special treatment in how its abysmal fuel economy is factored in.
Yeah, but that sucker was so big and heavy that, at the time, it was actually excluded from the CAFE regs, and there was no EPA estimate for it! If the Excursion was still built today, I wonder if the gov't would force Ford to factor its fuel economy in with passenger cars? Or, perhaps it's still heavy enough to be exempt?
I remember one time, filling up my '67 Catalina, when gasoline was still pretty expensive. That's how I discovered the pump at the local station shut off at $75.00. And it only has a 26 gallon tank.
John had some excellent product ideas, but his integrity was less-than-golden too. In that book he knocks the Vega, but he was singing its praises to the media when he was at Chevrolet.
Could say the same for the referenced company as of 2008....but I won't.
My resolution is not to bash GM...just be real.
The failure is over for now so I wait to see the good news and the market share. Analysts giving them a fair shot to gain market share at the moment...as long as they don't raise prices too high...and that is a global forecast.
Regards,
OW
...and still a classic! :P
Yeah, I'm scratching my head on that. At that price point the 3.6 should be standard.
:shades:
Buick Cimarrano
:sick:
OTOH.. it is a bit pricey expect the Verano to be priced around $21,000 for base models, going as high as $26,000 for cars with all of the trimmings.
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And I like the fact that they're using different engines from the Cruze. Although I'm thinking something like that should get a bit better than 22/31, since it's the same engine that the heavier Malibu uses, and the 'Bu gets 22/33. But, I think it has a few more hp in the Buick, and maybe it's geared a bit more aggressively?
And maybe when you're comparing cars in this class, the amount of weight saved really doesn't make a difference? For instance, when Honda, Toyota, and Nissan started putting midsized-car 4-cyl engines in their compacts, they weren't exactly fuel sippers. Although part of that, again, may have been more aggressive gearing to keep in spirit with the sporty intentions of the cars.
Well glory be! Only about 30 years after BMW came up with a premium small sedan, GM has decided to get into the act. This COULD be a great move.
The Cimarranno still adopts the live rear axle from the Snuze.
Handling? :shades:
But you asked about the 1-series.
All your RWD vehicles have a live rear axle. What do you think transports power to the rear wheels?
lol WUT?
Lemko asked why the Cimarrano can't be praised like the 1-series and I answered him. So I'm kinda missing your point about how vitrol applies to our discussion. :confuse:
Just a gits and shiggles comparison. I know you like big cars.
The pics look o.k. Not really feeling the "t-rex grin" grille and I can't help but see Saturn Aura in the whole shape of the car, especially the headlights. Maybe tone down the grille, remove the chrome taillight eyebrows and rethink the price point.
Y'know, I think "vitriol", "vitrol", or however you say it is a cool sounding word. Maybe somebody should name a car that!
Get your cable fixed and watch your MTV Lemko.
Let the hosts know your feelings with emails. For years in forums that are positive in topic the derision by a few posters has been never-ending, until recently. The GM Fans topic was started just for that problem.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Me too, if you are attemping to a get a price premium over the Chevy version you have to bring something else to the table. The engine choices are a starting point as is an upscale interior.
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With the Saturn Outlook gone, Cadillac has room for its own rebadge...
With the Saturn Outlook gone, Cadillac has room for its own rebadge...
Excuse me, but why does this seem like the same old rebadging GM? Why can't they just get that old behavior out of their system? With FOUR rebadges of the same vehicle in the past, wasn't that just a bit much? And now that they killed Saturn and Pontiac, they need a Caddy version? :confuse: :surprise:
I really hope they don't do this, unless they can find a way to truly differentiate it from the Buick Enclave. And I have a feeling that's going to be hard to do, since the Enclave is already a really nice, luxurious ride. Sure, they can make it LOOK different, with crisper, bolder Cadillac-esque sheetmetal, but I just don't know if this is something that needs to be built.
Around these parts at least, Buicks, Cadillacs, and GMCs are sold under the same roof. There's the Acadia for the more entry level, trucky-type crossover, and the Enclave for the more luxurious crossover, so I'm not sure where that leaves Cadillac.
New Camaro, using Malibu name, Extreme, yeah had S10 Xtreme.
The Caddy for everyone, the Cimmaron, your tax dollars wasted, oh and you had no choice in the matter, thanks, from the "new" GM!