(Reuters) - Hyundai Motor , South Korea's top automaker, starts annual wage talks and collective bargaining with its labour union on June 8, which will set the tone for the broader auto industry's annual pay negotiations.
Hyundai registered a strike-free 2009 and 2010, breaking almost two decades of strife, thanks to new union leadership and a less militant labour movement.
The negotiations come at a time when Hyundai, the world's No.5 automaker when its Kia Motors subsidiary is included, wants to boost output to catch its Japanese rivals and after a strike at a supplier. [ID:nL3E7GP011]
The number of workdays lost to disputes in South Korea dropped 19 percent to 511,000 workdays in 2010, its lowest in more than a decade, according to the Ministry of Labour. The drop was attributed in part to President Lee Myung-bak's crackdown on unions.
The overall number of South Korea's labour disputes dropped 29 percent to 86 last year from 2009, according to the ministry.
WHAT DOES HYUNDAI'S UNION WANT?
Hyundai's labour union, South Korea's largest, wants a 7.2 percent increase on average in basic salary and a bonus payment equivalent to eight months pay. It also wants preferential treatment for children of its long-time employees when they seek employment by Hyundai.
Last year, Hyundai, which reported record profits, agreed on a wage deal that included a 4.87 percent rise in base salary, performance bonuses amounting to the equivalent of three months salary plus a 5 million won ($4,624) payment, as well as offering 30 Hyundai shares to each employee. [ID:nTOE66L00O]
Yeah, three of the top four-selling vehicles last month were from Chevrolet. Man, they got problems.
Not sure circlew is completely correct, but GM had the largest market share while it went down the tubes, so "top selling" is not really a statement of health, either. Just sayin'. :P
Our tax dollars have in fact been a defacto subsidy for South Korea for decades. South Korea has unions too - and always some kind of demonstration or less than peaceful protest going on.
As long as their products are leading in the market and they are moving some production to the U.S., they are no worse than GM. In fact, they lead GM in revenue growth at the moment. They are winning market share despite the labor unrest. That's far different than the stranglehold the UAW choked GM with into bankruptcy, considering their myriad of additional operational failures that were added to their notorious failure.
So, given that GM has most recently failed in our market, and is now facing the UAW machine yet again, they loose in my view considering the problems I experienced with my last GM purchase. Let alone that the invested bailout dollars remain unpaid. I agree their products have vastly improved but none really excite me other than the 'Vette. :shades:
There is no reason for me to consider any of their current offerings since I'm not in the market for the Corvette. There are simply better choices with far less baggage afaic.
The lack of balance on this board is so comical it could be an SNL skit. If Hyundai had shown market improvement to having three of the top four best-selling products in the U.S., it would be heralded by you-know-who as a total epiphany. Not so for market improvement by GM. Exhausting. Where's the Sonata in the top-selling list?
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Did you not read my "Chevy Rules" statement?? What do you want, fireworks Ddevery night in July? GM has finally made good cars that are selling more then the competition.
The lack of balance on this board is so comical it could be an SNL skit. If Hyundai had shown market improvement to having three of the top four best-selling products in the U.S., it would be heralded by you-know-who as a total epiphany. Not so for market improvement by GM. Exhausting. Where's the Sonata in the top-selling list?
You know, there is SOME point to what you say. But using top model sales leadership is apples and oranges.
In one case you have a home-grown company who has been number one for (thirty? forty?) years and has lost market share for a couple of decades, while CLEARLY having product, management and labor issues (all major). After a bankruptcy and bailout, they are finally back to selling some top products by sales. But it was really theirs to lose, and they have pretty much done that over the past 30 years. Not at all the same as fighting up from the bottom like Hyundai. With GM's previous large market share and high loyalty in the country (especially in the midwest), the effort required to have top sellers is substantially lower than for a company that had a cr@p reputation a decade ago, is foreign, and had little market share. If GM had reacted as aggressively and in as revolutionary a manner as Hyundai, we would be all cheering the clear progress made.
While I see GM improving significantly, it is not the revolutionary type of progress that Hyundai has made. So GM has done well. GM is out of the woods for now. GM may become wildly successful, or they might not, depending upon the next 5-10 years. But I don't see OW's point as unwarranted.
If you give a letter grade for product improvments over the past 2-3 years, I'd say:
Hyundai - A Ford - B+ GM - B Honda - C Toyota - D
So while a "B" is good, I wouldn't say it's great. Good start GM, time to get even more aggressive on the product (not marketing) front.
To answer the original question when you criticized having UAW leftover and GM's having needed bailout money: What would you have done to save the companies?
--you don't have a solution at all. You just criticize what happened after the fact as a Monday morning quarterback. How would circle have attained a workable solution? All I've heard on that is a big Circle, gooseegg.
The hatred toward GM and and wanting them to go out of business no matter how much it hurts US workers is the only goal. This is typical of the mainstreammedia's treatment of GM through the years. And lots of people with gullibility accept whatever the media puts out. Usually it fits their simplistic methodology.
So some are willing to accept product (some cheap looking and with a silly grill) from a foreign company with bombastic labor unions and from a foreign company that is heavily subsidized by their government both with money and with protectionism in trade. :sick:
And at the same time they complain about US companies getting trivial aid to maintain jobs and complain about the mild labor unions.
I can't imagine buying a car from a company with a Union like that!
And they have gotten direct support from the government all along. Terrible. I could never buy a car from a company that got government support. They should just go out of business in Korea. :P
I just read Lutz's book Car Guys vs Beancounters and it explained a lot of things that were wrong with the large company.
Lutz pointed out the Japanese yen value was incorrect at the beginning of the invasion, resulting in a subsidy of each car to the tune of $4000.
I wonder how the Korean currency is valued now? Are the Hykia cars being subsidize further by the currency misvaluation?
The regional company setup was a major problem along with a lot of rules and procedures for management and pecking order. A major problem was having problems with people having control over design when design wasn't their area of expertise.
He pointed out the favorable treatment of Toyhosun by the media over GM was a major factor. The whining about global warming by the gullible media folks with their journalism degrees was another--they bitched about GM selling pickups and trucks, which is what made them profitable, at the same time tyota is trying to get into the trucks market, but the media didn't notice the Tundra and the Cypress SUVs or whatever American name the Japanese tried to call the large ones--maybe it was Sequoia or Redwood?
Lutz doesn't make excuses: there were things wrong and he worked to fix them.
It's a good read. I think I'll buy a copy to keep. There are some great quotes. One example is tyota executives when they were trying to downplay the Volt using batteries Li-H batteries that weren't nickle-cadmium (toxic) like the sacred Prius, saying they were dangerous and that "toyota wouldn't do anything to endanger their customers." This while they were misreporting and hiding uncontrolled acceleration problems.
Oddly, the media never played that quote back during the debacle of the uncontrolled computers, no braking, floor mats, back acceleration controls (from a US supplier?).
To answer the original question when you criticized having UAW leftover and GM's having needed bailout money: What would you have done to save the companies?
--you don't have a solution at all. You just criticize what happened after the fact as a Monday morning quarterback. How would circle have attained a workable solution? All I've heard on that is a big Circle, gooseegg.
Why, the solution was the bailout, after all. Why would I need a solution? I wasn't responsible for decades of decay at GM, was I?
Hold on a minut! Maybe I was the problem...continuing to buy GM products alll the time hoping they would return to the best cars on the planet! HA!
If the UAW solution is so vital, why have they lost so many members? Couldn't be those lost decades of decadence, now could it?
My direct relationship with GM was product and service related, which they also failed at.
I did not WANT them to go out of business before and do not WANT them to in the future. The diseased company does that for itself.
As far as Korean product goes, what makes them so much worse than GM? Your perception? Their Unions?
The fact is they have improved far faster than a bailed out Detroit. Looks like their Union problems haven't affected their metoric rise in the last 2 years. :shades:
Yeah, and BMW's are second class to World Class Caddy. That's why sales went down for Caddy in June?
Well the top sellers for GM in the last 2 months on the car side still have not dethroned the CamcordAltima offerings YTD.
And Sonata is slightly behind Malibu. Not bad for cheapo N0. 5 Global automaker.
Your Caddy is slip-sliding away. Outside of the CTS-V, the high price does not justify the market they compete in. BMW and Audi are cleaning Caddy's clock with a cocktail in both hands! Must be MY doing! Sorry about that, kids!
Actually, you hit the nail on the head. The top cars sold for years now are from companies that are too big to react fast anymore. While they have developed the best quality systems far faster the the Detroit 3 (All 3 rejected quality investment which resulted in their demise at the end of the day), the styling and slow improvements are starting to take a toll on their health. But I'll wager the Japan 3 will make much needed changes that will limit GM's market share in the US over the next 3 years.
Toyota will beat Chevy on their top sedan refresh just like Hyundai/Kia did with the Sonata/Optima. Their not that slow, GM!
Still, GM seem to be on the right track....until the UAW have their say, that is.
Someone on another board commented that the Camry's lackluster sales the past two months are because '...folks are waiting for the new one in the fall'. A new Malibu is out in the fall, but that doesn't seem to be hurting Malibu sales now. Hmmm.
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I bought a Corvette Coupe in the Fall of 2006. Though I did not drive it on any of Rt.66, I did drive it over 30,000 miles in 2 years. [ Making it a very high mileage ‘Vette. ] I drove it on several long-ish trips [ 7 – 800 miles round trip, for example ] including one with my Daughter.
It was my only vehicle. I bought it when I was in my mid-50s.
I enjoyed the experience, a lot.
Glad to have had it – and now glad it is gone.
- Ray [ Sounds a bit like what many say about buying a boat ? ]
They should be coming along, they have been coddled for decades - in relative terms receiving much more help than GM as the help has existed for so long. Did Hyunkia repay any of its bailouts and other socialistic aid? Either you approve of such measures or you don't - who did it and what it makes are secondary.
Doesn't matter to me, I would rather buy a gently used late model highline car for the price of a new normal car any day. But I have no problem with doing something to help domestic industry - especially as we piss away so much on direct and hidden aid to ungrateful nations.
I remember a joke about the engine note/refinement in that thing being like a garbage disposal. Kind of like the popcorn popper 2.8/3.1 GM units, and the less than velvety 3.8.
There are compromises made in the Corvette that result in a terrific ‘sports car’ [ IMHO ] but a less than stellar ‘all around’ [ practical ] car. [ If I could justify having more than one vehicle, I might have kept it. ] Then again, for me, it did do a very good job of being a ‘Daily Driver’, ‘grocery getter’, as well as a sports car. For me, better than anything I see as a competitor. - Ray No regrets . . .
Everyone calls Hyunkia some kind of leader...so yes, we can use them as an example :shades:
Do we know if any of their aid has been repaid? Or does it not matter so much in South Korea, with its feverish national pride and willingness to develop national industry?
DETROIT (AP) -- A lawsuit claims General Motors Co. fixed a defective part on police versions of the Chevrolet Impala but didn't correct the same problem in hundreds of thousands of other Impalas.
The class-action lawsuit, filed last week in Detroit, says 2007 and 2008 model-year Impalas have defective spindle rods, which connect the suspension to the rear wheels. The defect misaligns the wheels, which makes the tires wear out faster.
According to the lawsuit, GM told dealers to replace the spindle rods and tires on affected police vehicles. It also authorized dealers to reimburse police who had purchased replacement tires.
But the suit says GM didn't offer the same remedy to non-police owners. The company sold 423,000 Impalas from those model years.
A GM spokesman was not immediately available to comment Tuesday.
I will definitely be available to comment on the continuing deficiencies still lingering at GM. :shades:
Like it or not, they continue to have major service issues along with the lagging union costs.
OMG! Chevy Still Rules No Doubt. After all Japan is toast the the Koreans make junk so it's Chevy's game to loose....right? I predict Chevy will lead at the end of 2011 in total sales in the top 25 category!
That's a good thing. I still think GM is going to be in trouble with the New UAW Contract. Hope I'm wrong as usual! :shades:
Relax and enjoy the pretty music! Don't pay any attention to that little Impala thingy.
There's quite a few "socialist" nations that are in pretty healthy shape relative to our corporatist empire right now, however...or at least those who are so called capitalists who believe they are just around the corner from striking it rich would label "socialist"...
The Impala thing is obviously not a good thing, but you make it sound like it's the only recall/campaign of any manufacturer out there. Remember, your beloved Sonata has had a couple recalls that I'm aware of already. So does Ford. Toyota? Let's not go there again. Honda van trans? 1,800 Edmunds posts...and most aren't 'opinion' posts like are here...they're 'my story' posts. Has anybody seen any posts about rear tire wear on Impalas in the Edmunds forum--other than today's news?
Incidentally, there are five recalls on the 2007 Sonata, and two on the 2007 Impala, per a thirty-second search I just did.
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Seriously? The leading several EU nations, Canada is healthier than us right now, China is very socialist and has been the recipient of how much wealth transfer from us over the past generation? And it goes on. We've lost the economic mobility edge to socialist nations, our quality of life has fallen off, our social ills are envied by no first world nations...who for the record are all more "socialist" than us, but not really pure socialist unless an American pseudo-capitalist is asked.
But a few more breaks for the mostly born on third base elite and extra benefits for welfare baby factories are all we can make. Ah capitalism, end of the Roman empire.
Brazil can be more than a bit socialistic as well and Korea isn't an Adam Smith capitalstic country either. Both have more government involvement in business than the US. In fact, the Korean government actively works its banks and other financial organizations in supporting manufacturing.
Pretty much all of our competitors are more "socialist" than us, whether they be first or second world. Obviously something is working.
The Korean government is involved in pretty much everything. And it isn't killing them. Not everyone has bent over for unsustainable casino capitalism.
Seriously? The leading several EU nations, Canada is healthier than us right now, China is very socialist and has been the recipient of how much wealth transfer from us over the past generation?
While the leading EU nations may have some socialist-like components, they are not socialist - they are democracies.
China may be socialist, but their current prosperity is obtained by embracing capitalism. And also on the backs of the people (which I know you agree with) - how is that the prosperity you say is better than our own? Heck, GM is selling to them as their largest market - a socialist country buying imperialist cars! Amazing!
So if you meant "socialist-like" rather than "socialist" then of course you are correct - there are "socialist-like" countries doing better than us -- because they (by definition) are ALL more socialistic than us!
Surely you can't be serious...not the "Snuze" and "Rentabu" (I'm still slappin' my knee about that).
When you see that the Rentabu has sales near the top, you realize that being the home team does have unfair advantages. The Malibu is good (for GM), but it's not that good. :surprise:
There are no pure socialist nations, never have been, never will be. Socialism and democracy have no correlation. There are also no democracies - at best corporatocracies or special interest group republics, as we are. But in American terms, and according to many Americans, those I mentioned are indeed socialist. It is all relative. Socialized medicine, socialized higher education, aided and coddled industries, and so on. They have all that yet haven't fallen as we have.
China isn't about capitalism, it is about cronyism, theft, and irresponsibility. It is not a meritocracy, which is supposed to be the cornerstone of capitalism. It too also has many socialist components, yet our money is flying there, and we are supposed to smile and agree with it.
Ever ride or drive in a current Malibu..even once? Just askin'.
I rent a lot of cars. I might add that the only car I've had this year that had terrible front-end noise and a Traction Control light that wouldn't go out...was a Camry.
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My BIL had a last gen 'Bu. His car was damaged so he rented a 2010 Rent-A-Bu which he liked a lot. After the old 'Bu was repaired, he traded it for a 2010 Altima.
Naaaah. The OP wouldn't want a car subsidized by the government :P and wouldn't want a car built by unions . Instead OP would rather push foreign jobbies that are completely unsubsidized and nonunion -- OH WAIT. That's not the case with S. Korea's Hykia. :sick:
If you haven't read Lutz's book Car Guys and Beancounters the Battle for the Soul of American Business, it's a must read. I was surprised by how right I have been about the unions and GM's efforts along with the effects of other political issues in the US. I learned how the legacy structure of GM's evolved world business was a real impediment.
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Union negotiations time is now: June 8!!!!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/07/hyundai-union-idUSL3E7GV02820110607
(Reuters) - Hyundai Motor , South Korea's top automaker, starts annual wage talks and collective bargaining with its labour union on June 8, which will set the tone for the broader auto industry's annual pay negotiations.
Hyundai registered a strike-free 2009 and 2010, breaking almost two decades of strife, thanks to new union leadership and a less militant labour movement.
The negotiations come at a time when Hyundai, the world's No.5 automaker when its Kia Motors subsidiary is included, wants to boost output to catch its Japanese rivals and after a strike at a supplier. [ID:nL3E7GP011]
The number of workdays lost to disputes in South Korea dropped 19 percent to 511,000 workdays in 2010, its lowest in more than a decade, according to the Ministry of Labour. The drop was attributed in part to President Lee Myung-bak's crackdown on unions.
The overall number of South Korea's labour disputes dropped 29 percent to 86 last year from 2009, according to the ministry.
WHAT DOES HYUNDAI'S UNION WANT?
Hyundai's labour union, South Korea's largest, wants a 7.2 percent increase on average in basic salary and a bonus payment equivalent to eight months pay. It also wants preferential treatment for children of its long-time employees when they seek employment by Hyundai.
Last year, Hyundai, which reported record profits, agreed on a wage deal that included a 4.87 percent rise in base salary, performance bonuses amounting to the equivalent of three months salary plus a 5 million won ($4,624) payment, as well as offering 30 Hyundai shares to each employee. [ID:nTOE66L00O]
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The article I linked earlier pointed out the US government helped bail out hyundai-kia.
I thought the US involvement and money was what you were interested IN?
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Not sure circlew is completely correct, but GM had the largest market share while it went down the tubes, so "top selling" is not really a statement of health, either. Just sayin'. :P
So, given that GM has most recently failed in our market, and is now facing the UAW machine yet again, they loose in my view considering the problems I experienced with my last GM purchase. Let alone that the invested bailout dollars remain unpaid. I agree their products have vastly improved but none really excite me other than the 'Vette. :shades:
There is no reason for me to consider any of their current offerings since I'm not in the market for the Corvette. There are simply better choices with far less baggage afaic.
Regards,
OW
Good enough?
Regards,
OW
You know, there is SOME point to what you say. But using top model sales leadership is apples and oranges.
In one case you have a home-grown company who has been number one for (thirty? forty?) years and has lost market share for a couple of decades, while CLEARLY having product, management and labor issues (all major). After a bankruptcy and bailout, they are finally back to selling some top products by sales. But it was really theirs to lose, and they have pretty much done that over the past 30 years. Not at all the same as fighting up from the bottom like Hyundai. With GM's previous large market share and high loyalty in the country (especially in the midwest), the effort required to have top sellers is substantially lower than for a company that had a cr@p reputation a decade ago, is foreign, and had little market share. If GM had reacted as aggressively and in as revolutionary a manner as Hyundai, we would be all cheering the clear progress made.
While I see GM improving significantly, it is not the revolutionary type of progress that Hyundai has made. So GM has done well. GM is out of the woods for now. GM may become wildly successful, or they might not, depending upon the next 5-10 years. But I don't see OW's point as unwarranted.
If you give a letter grade for product improvments over the past 2-3 years, I'd say:
Hyundai - A
Ford - B+
GM - B
Honda - C
Toyota - D
So while a "B" is good, I wouldn't say it's great. Good start GM, time to get even more aggressive on the product (not marketing) front.
Ford - B+
GM - B
Honda - C
Toyota - D
I'd give Audi/VW a B+ as well. Maybe even an A-. Audi sales are growing.
I'd give BMW a C+, maybe a B-.
Nice! That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!
Meanwhile, GM is looking to close more plants.
What a contrast! Let's see who wins more concessions: UAW or Korea Motor Workers.
Regards,
OW
--you don't have a solution at all. You just criticize what happened after the fact as a Monday morning quarterback. How would circle have attained a workable solution? All I've heard on that is a big Circle, gooseegg.
The hatred toward GM and and wanting them to go out of business no matter how much it hurts US workers is the only goal. This is typical of the mainstreammedia's treatment of GM through the years. And lots of people with gullibility accept whatever the media puts out. Usually it fits their simplistic methodology.
So some are willing to accept product (some cheap looking and with a silly grill) from a foreign company with bombastic labor unions and from a foreign company that is heavily subsidized by their government both with money and with protectionism in trade. :sick:
And at the same time they complain about US companies getting trivial aid to maintain jobs and complain about the mild labor unions.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
(There's my acting performance there.)
And they have gotten direct support from the government all along. Terrible. I could never buy a car from a company that got government support. They should just go out of business in Korea. :P
I just read Lutz's book Car Guys vs Beancounters and it explained a lot of things that were wrong with the large company.
Lutz pointed out the Japanese yen value was incorrect at the beginning of the invasion, resulting in a subsidy of each car to the tune of $4000.
I wonder how the Korean currency is valued now? Are the Hykia cars being subsidize further by the currency misvaluation?
The regional company setup was a major problem along with a lot of rules and procedures for management and pecking order. A major problem was having problems with people having control over design when design wasn't their area of expertise.
He pointed out the favorable treatment of Toyhosun by the media over GM was a major factor. The whining about global warming by the gullible media folks with their journalism degrees was another--they bitched about GM selling pickups and trucks, which is what made them profitable, at the same time tyota is trying to get into the trucks market, but the media didn't notice the Tundra and the Cypress SUVs or whatever American name the Japanese tried to call the large ones--maybe it was Sequoia or Redwood?
Lutz doesn't make excuses: there were things wrong and he worked to fix them.
It's a good read. I think I'll buy a copy to keep. There are some great quotes. One example is tyota executives when they were trying to downplay the Volt using batteries Li-H batteries that weren't nickle-cadmium (toxic) like the sacred Prius, saying they were dangerous and that "toyota wouldn't do anything to endanger their customers." This while they were misreporting and hiding uncontrolled acceleration problems.
Oddly, the media never played that quote back during the debacle of the uncontrolled computers, no braking, floor mats, back acceleration controls (from a US supplier?).
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
--you don't have a solution at all. You just criticize what happened after the fact as a Monday morning quarterback. How would circle have attained a workable solution? All I've heard on that is a big Circle, gooseegg.
Why, the solution was the bailout, after all. Why would I need a solution? I wasn't responsible for decades of decay at GM, was I?
Hold on a minut! Maybe I was the problem...continuing to buy GM products alll the time hoping they would return to the best cars on the planet! HA!
If the UAW solution is so vital, why have they lost so many members? Couldn't be those lost decades of decadence, now could it?
My direct relationship with GM was product and service related, which they also failed at.
I did not WANT them to go out of business before and do not WANT them to in the future. The diseased company does that for itself.
As far as Korean product goes, what makes them so much worse than GM? Your perception? Their Unions?
The fact is they have improved far faster than a bailed out Detroit. Looks like their Union problems haven't affected their metoric rise in the last 2 years. :shades:
Yeah, and BMW's are second class to World Class Caddy. That's why sales went down for Caddy in June?
Well the top sellers for GM in the last 2 months on the car side still have not dethroned the CamcordAltima offerings YTD.
And Sonata is slightly behind Malibu. Not bad for cheapo N0. 5 Global automaker.
Your Caddy is slip-sliding away. Outside of the CTS-V, the high price does not justify the market they compete in. BMW and Audi are cleaning Caddy's clock with a cocktail in both hands! Must be MY doing! Sorry about that, kids!
Regards,
OW
So I should base my purchase on how good the Unions are????????????
Let me run out and trade my Optima for a Malibu today! I want to continue to support the UAW who are the best representation on the planet.
What was I thinking :confuse: :sick:
Sorry about that!
Regards,
OW
Toyota will beat Chevy on their top sedan refresh just like Hyundai/Kia did with the Sonata/Optima. Their not that slow, GM!
Still, GM seem to be on the right track....until the UAW have their say, that is.
Go Corvette! :shades:
Regards,
OW
Though I did not drive it on any of Rt.66,
I did drive it over 30,000 miles in 2 years.
[ Making it a very high mileage ‘Vette. ]
I drove it on several long-ish trips
[ 7 – 800 miles round trip, for example ]
including one with my Daughter.
It was my only vehicle.
I bought it when I was in my mid-50s.
I enjoyed the experience,
a lot.
Glad to have had it –
and now glad it is gone.
- Ray
[ Sounds a bit like what many say
about buying a boat ? ]
Doesn't matter to me, I would rather buy a gently used late model highline car for the price of a new normal car any day. But I have no problem with doing something to help domestic industry - especially as we piss away so much on direct and hidden aid to ungrateful nations.
Those are/were dreadfully slow. My wife had two for company cars. YUCK. They weren't particularly efficient either.
As Korea goes, so goes the U.S. After all, they failed first, right?
Again, ahead of GM. Let's see who fails next!
Regards,
OW
that result in a terrific ‘sports car’ [ IMHO ]
but a less than stellar ‘all around’ [ practical ]
car.
[ If I could justify having more than one vehicle,
I might have kept it. ]
Then again, for me, it did do a very good job
of being a ‘Daily Driver’, ‘grocery getter’,
as well as a sports car.
For me, better than anything I see as a competitor.
- Ray
No regrets . . .
Do we know if any of their aid has been repaid? Or does it not matter so much in South Korea, with its feverish national pride and willingness to develop national industry?
Regards,
OW
DETROIT (AP) -- A lawsuit claims General Motors Co. fixed a defective part on police versions of the Chevrolet Impala but didn't correct the same problem in hundreds of thousands of other Impalas.
The class-action lawsuit, filed last week in Detroit, says 2007 and 2008 model-year Impalas have defective spindle rods, which connect the suspension to the rear wheels. The defect misaligns the wheels, which makes the tires wear out faster.
According to the lawsuit, GM told dealers to replace the spindle rods and tires on affected police vehicles. It also authorized dealers to reimburse police who had purchased replacement tires.
But the suit says GM didn't offer the same remedy to non-police owners. The company sold 423,000 Impalas from those model years.
A GM spokesman was not immediately available to comment Tuesday.
I will definitely be available to comment on the continuing deficiencies still lingering at GM. :shades:
Like it or not, they continue to have major service issues along with the lagging union costs.
Regards,
OW
Regards,
OW
That's a good thing. I still think GM is going to be in trouble with the New UAW Contract. Hope I'm wrong as usual! :shades:
Relax and enjoy the pretty music!
Regards,
OW
I don't see being successful as a high priority of socialism.
Please share the list.... :confuse:
Incidentally, there are five recalls on the 2007 Sonata, and two on the 2007 Impala, per a thirty-second search I just did.
But a few more breaks for the mostly born on third base elite and extra benefits for welfare baby factories are all we can make. Ah capitalism, end of the Roman empire.
Because the cars are good. Seriously the Malibu and Cruze are very competitive.
When was the last time this happened to a Chevy car gaining on the top sellers?
Regards,
OW
Regards,
OW
The Korean government is involved in pretty much everything. And it isn't killing them. Not everyone has bent over for unsustainable casino capitalism.
While the leading EU nations may have some socialist-like components, they are not socialist - they are democracies.
China may be socialist, but their current prosperity is obtained by embracing capitalism. And also on the backs of the people (which I know you agree with) - how is that the prosperity you say is better than our own? Heck, GM is selling to them as their largest market - a socialist country buying imperialist cars! Amazing!
So if you meant "socialist-like" rather than "socialist" then of course you are correct - there are "socialist-like" countries doing better than us -- because they (by definition) are ALL more socialistic than us!
When you see that the Rentabu has sales near the top, you realize that being the home team does have unfair advantages. The Malibu is good (for GM), but it's not that good. :surprise:
China isn't about capitalism, it is about cronyism, theft, and irresponsibility. It is not a meritocracy, which is supposed to be the cornerstone of capitalism. It too also has many socialist components, yet our money is flying there, and we are supposed to smile and agree with it.
I rent a lot of cars. I might add that the only car I've had this year that had terrible front-end noise and a Traction Control light that wouldn't go out...was a Camry.
Regards,
OW"
Naaaah. The OP wouldn't want a car subsidized by the government :P and wouldn't want a car built by unions
If you haven't read Lutz's book Car Guys and Beancounters the Battle for the Soul of American Business, it's a must read. I was surprised by how right I have been about the unions and GM's efforts along with the effects of other political issues in the US. I learned how the legacy structure of GM's evolved world business was a real impediment.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
OMG! This is a monstrous defect! Better hide the children!