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The newer 4 cl. cars will never make it to that. Most of them blow up between 80-110k miles. My brother bought a 2006 for his daughter with 80K and a month later had to pay $5 k for a new motor. It is a very common issue.
Care to show some data on that besides your own unfortunate experience? I've gotten 143K, 120K, and 125K on the 4 cyls I've owned. I suspect that most new 4 cyls will go an easy 150-200K if cared for.
Actually, that's not the first time I've heard that Nissans ain't quite what they used to be, when it comes to durability. Isn't there something in the valvetrain of the newer Nissan 2.5's that tends to come apart, gets down in the engine, and messes up the insides as it gets chewed up?
I thought my Mom and stepdad's '99 Altima was going to be a piece of junk initially, because it needed a new transmission at 35,000 miles. But, they replaced it under warranty with no hassle, and I'd say at 320K+, the second one has more than redeemed itself.
Now there 1991 Stanza wasn't such a great car. At around 90,000 miles, the transmission was getting weak, but they were able to make it to around 120,000 when they sold it. It needed exhaust work in that timeframe and a few other things, but can't remember what, now.
I know someone with a 2003 Accord 4-cyl, who has around 158,000 on it, and his wife's Focus (2005 I think) is up to around 126,000 or so. I think my uncle's '03 Corolla is up to around 200,000.
Heck, even back in the day, I had a friend with an '85 Cavalier 4-cy that made it to around 110-120,000, and the engine was still okay. It had some electrical issue and refused to start, and was pretty much worthless by that time, so he just junked it. Replaced it with his parents' 1987 or so Toyota (can't remember now if it was a Corolla or Tercel) and it sludged up, long before "sludge" became a popular word. Last time I saw him, he had a brand-new red 1995 Trans Am, but I lost touch with him after that, so I don't know how it held up.
I was talking specifically about late model Nissan 4 cyl. engines. There is alot of internet evidence besides my own anecdotal experience with my brohter's 2006 Altima and my observation of a 2.5 Nissan motor with a hole in the block at a auto repair business that I did work for.
I thought that intake manifold was mainly an issue with the 2.8/3.1/3.4 and, to a lesser degree, certain years of non-supercharged Buick 3.8's? I'd always heard that the 4-cyl engines were relatively durable, just not all that refined.
I had a coworker who had an Oldsmobile Silhouette minivan. I think it was around a 2000, but don't remember for sure. It was the 2nd-gen, non-dustbuster style. She had that intake issue, but I think it reared its head around 90-100,000 miles. I think that's the problem with the intake issue, it's sort of like those Ford "Essex" V-6es that often blew a head gasket around 90,000 miles, and pretty much ruined the engine. These things wouldn't happen when the car was still under warranty, but would rather wait until later on, often when the car was low-value enough that such a failure could total it! I'd almost be happier if the issue happened earlier on, when it would be covered under warranty. Provided the warranty fix actually FIXED the problem, and didn't just push it out a bit, so it occurred again in a few years.
needless to say I am disappointed
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That concept you posted above looks really attractive. Makes me think a bit of an Olds Aurora, with a Saturn front-end.
Then again, my keyboard has 110 keys, and I use most of them.
I don't care for the faddy under dash lighting either.
Seats look interesting though.
OK, sorry, did not realize you are confining the discussion to Nissans. I just don't have any experience in that area; too bad if true, though.
Nice!
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I wonder if any of those buttons launch a robot homing pigeon or activate dual horizontal circular saw blades?
Now if they'll just come up with a dual Japanese saw blade that'll still make smooth thin cuts we'll be in business.
I believe that the original Japanese version has actual proper things written there in Kanji and that the U.S. version just put letters there as it wouldn't fit otherwise.
Whenever somebody congratulates Volt for winning multiple car of the year awards, they should remind themselves that those same award-giving bodies passed over the original Prius hybrid in 2001 in favor of the PT Cruiser. Toyota has gone on to sell two million Priuses, the most revolutionary car of the last 75 years; the Cruiser, a novelty car with no technological pretensions, has since gone out of production.
The latest to fall victim to this tunnel vision is the New York Times, which kicked off its new Sunday Review section with a favorable review of the Volt and a big pat on the back for GM (GM, Fortune 500).
Even a Volt enthusiast like former GM vice chairman Bob Lutz admits that Toyota is probably making a profit on Prius, while GM loses money on every Volt and is unlikely ever to recover a penny of its estimated $1 billion development cost.
Reminds me of the $18B that will remain unpaid to the U.S. taxpayers.
But on a straight-up comparison of functionality versus price, it is hard to understand the adulation surrounding the Volt. GM has only managed to sell 2,184 since introduction, while Toyota moved nearly 7,000 Priuses in May alone
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Just change a few of the letters and it's the steering wheel hub of a 58 Edsel...
I still have my 2000 Grand Prix GTP which has I believe 46 or 47K on the odometer. I'm thinking about selling it and buying a new Cruze but might wait and see if GM builds the diesel version
-Rocky
As for me, I was just at the Carlisle All-GM Nationals with my 1989 Cadillac Brougham - still looking and running excellent after 22+ years! We also still have the 2007 Cadillac DTS Performance, my wife's 2005 Buick LaCrosse, and the black sheep of the fleet - a 2005 Mercury Grand Marquis LS.
Hope things go good for you and they call you back. How's the family?
The gov bailed out GM because the unions gave Obama money and votes. No sense crying about it. The NYT loves Obama so they are naturally expected to pump up his pet company. Lucky me, I am at war with Obama but he likes the company that made 5 of the 6 cars I own.
Why at war? Just since january, the dollar has lost 3%. Remember under Bush when I got 5% in a CD and the dollar held it's ground? I'd be up 2.5% in 6 months if that was still the case.
Watch and learn form BofA. The banks can't just eliminate bad loans. GM is in the same park only in autos. The UAW is alive and well. Let's see if they can compete.
Love my Optima, BTW.
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Nations that are collectively kicking our butts wouldn't have let industry decay so much to begin with.
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Hey, man, do you have pics of yer Kia Optima for us all ta gander at? Congratulations...you've finally bought a real car! Whoo-hoo! And the new world order Optima is one awesome car, yes it is.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Thanks guys, I appreciate it....My kids are doing fine....I am still fighting the corrupt system in Texas, and my new lawyer quit my case after a month and a half and is going to a new firm so I'm having to start over. I know I know I have the absolute worst luck!
Lemko that is good to hear....If GM calls me I'm probably going to sell my Grand Prix GTP and get a new Chevy Cruze Diesel....The more research I do on this already manufactured model in Australia the more I'm falling in love....I told gagrice, who is a huge fan of diesels about this. He is glad to hear diesels being a good alternative and it truly is long over due!
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2011/02/chevy-cruze-diesel-coming-to-america-- - next-year.html
They should put the twin-turbo 2.0-liter CDTi Ecotec motor making 190-hp and 300 ft-lbs of torque that is used in the Opel Insignia.....It would probably still get close to 50 mpg hwy....
-Rocky
P.S. Hope all my edmunds friends have a happy and safe 4th!
http://www.facebook.com/rbellenger if you got a page your welcome to send me a friends request....I'm always posting car related stuff and "liked" edmunds.com 's FB page!
I am looking for more hours in the medical profession and am waiting on two RT jobs to call me back, I'm currently working a Cardio-Rehab RT job right now but need to get more hours. I am starting to wonder if I might want to sell Chrysler's. I love the new Jeep Grand Cherokee and I like the new Durango and the Dodge Challenger and the Chrysler 300, I tolerate the 200 but after learning more about it could learn ta love it. There's this strange greenback form of trading that's motivating me that direction. Dave Smith Motors is an easy walk down the hill from our house here in Kellogg.
And the compact Dodge Caliber is being rebuilt and plopped on an Alfa Romeo chassis. Dodge is going to run it off the line at their Belvidere, IL, assembly plant. I can't wait to see (and drive, of course) that car.
Anyhoo-good ta see ya on here, the car business might be calling iluv for a way ta make a living, even, Dave Smith wants an organized person and an honest person, and they say if this is you "they are looking for people like you to sell cars for them" or words to that effect. I asked Eric Smith about the process and he said it is mostly learned on the job and they "show you some videos, too." Might that be me?
Is Idaho too far towards the left coast fer ya, rockford? Man, what a trip ta see ya on here again, rock. Ya wanna fly ta the Left Coast and sell Chrysler's and GM's wid me? :shades:
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Regal/Cruze/G8/etc.
Just think that's interesting. What happened to competent designers in the U.S.?
Honestly.
I saw one in Mechanicsburg, PA, this past week. It had a piece of chrome trim starting above the front of the rear door and going back. I assumed that something caused the same molding over the front door to have broken off.
I then went to the other side of the car, and it was the same way.
I have never noticed an odder piece of trim on a car. Is yours that trim level?
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Stay tuned!
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I'll post pics to show you but here is a stock pic.
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They all got new jobs designing those Kia Optimas.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
My guess is they help reduce drag.