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I dont like that match :sick:
Perhaps the two thread could be merged.
I have been told the version for North America will be slightly different than the version from the home market. It will debut at the NAIAS in January along with the production Genesis/BH.
The interior looks amazing, and while I am still warming up to the exterior front, it looks good at some angle. I am reserving full judgment until I see this in person. Fuel efficiency and power are both expected to be bumped which are great pluses.
P.S. In the comparo, the Sonata slotted in between the Malibu and the Camry in the order listed above--Accord first. But the review was overall very positive towards the Sonata, except for a desire for less body roll and a stiffer platform (ala Accord or Altima).
I have seen conflicting claims about 5-speed and 4-speed automatic for the 4 cylinder models.
Bluetooth is much less expensive than navigation, so I'm surprised they would delay bluetooth rather than delay the nav instead.
It has USB and nav, so I can't believe it still doesn't have factory installed bluetooth even on the top models. More people will use bluetooth than USB and most people will pass on nav if it's $2000.
The March 08 Car and Driver has a comparo where the 09 Sonata was tested over it's rivals. Did 4th place behind the new 08 Malibu. That model was a limited 4 cylinder with out nav.
If they in the dash cubby, that would be a pretty good place to mount a portable gps with bluetooth. All you would need to do is shut the cubby doors when you park to hide it from view. No need to move or unplug anything.
It would be better if it was up higher so you don't have to look down when you want glance at the map, but it would be usable and you would be able to get both navi and bluetooth for much less than the factory nav unit that doesn't include bluetooth.
You could get a Garmin 880 if you want voice control and can spend $999.
Costco has the Garmin 360 with bluetooth on sale for $249 online now.
If the ports are in the armrest, it could still work but it would be more awkward. You could mount the gps in the cupholders, but it would be more difficult to see and you would have to put it back under the armrest every time you parked so it wouldn't get stolen.
But i don't understand why did Hyundai dismiss the GLS V6 after introducing it for 2008?
I correct myself the 09 Sonata will have a GLS V6 and PZEV models.
Car and driver imo is too biased on performance critereas which these cars shouldn't pretend they are; sports sedans. Does it matter greatly a family midsize can nail a pilon test or go 0-60 in 6 seconds?? Who drives like that in these cars must get real and buy a real sports car.
Simple truth is that if meaninful critereas of what a family car should embody such as quiet ride, decent performance, safety, space, trunk space, back space, value are placed higher than pure performances critereas without the ridiculous got to have it factor also the sonata would have won or been top two.
I've seen the altima crumble under crash test(who wants to drive this car??), feel hondas ride is too stiff and interior way too crazy, the malibu not ready in the quality department to place the
The details are outstanding!
There are price increases for 2009, so that for example the base GLS with AT starts at $19,995 including destination. Still less than Accord or Camry, or a comparably-equipped Malibu, but getting closer to those cars in price. Interesting strategy on Hyundai's part. I guess we'll soon see how far the brand has come.
It would be great if factory bluetooth is really available for the 2009 Sonata because it would be the closest to the ideally equipped car for me for the money.
I bet it's a dealer accessory add-on though.
I noticed that Fitzmall is pricing their first few incoming 2009 Sonatas at MSRP, at least for their "delivered value price", and just a small discount for their "internet price". Can't recall the last time I saw them do that on a Hyundai. In contrast, they are already pricing their incoming 2009 Corollas at invoice. Whoda thunk... bigger discounts on the all-new Corolla vs. a refreshed Hyundai. But we'll see how long that kind of pricing holds up. Not long, I'll bet. Tough market out there.
I was actually considering a hyundai - for the first time ever. When I saw the prices I came to the obvious conclusion that it would not be a good idea. In a few years down the road I am sure that it would be a horrible financial mistake. I wish hyundai well, but think they may be more impressed with their product than the market.
The speaker and the microphone are integrated in one unit, so it just needs to connected to power.
I see it's offered on other 2008 Hyundais (like the Elantra and Azera) for the same suggested price of $325, but they do not specify that installation charges are included for $325.
Blueconnect looks OEM integrated with color matching to most interiors when installed and works well, but the disadvantage is that it isn't integrated into the stereo so you don't get caller ID or audio through the stereo. You will need to use your phone screen to see caller-id and you will need to mute the stereo yourself when a call comes in. You can mount your phone with a vent mount or cup holder mount so you can look at caller id without picking up the phone or maybe use custom ring tones on your phone so you can hear who it is by the ring tone is if one of your contacts are calling.
You can phone dial new numbers and contacts with voice tags by voice.
See the video:
So looking at history, I think it's reasonable to assume that within a few months, you will be able to get $4000-5000 off list on a 2009 Sonata. Those are common discounts on the 2008s now. For example, a well-equipped GLS AT (with convenience package) would then be around $16k +/-. What other car in its class offers what the Sonata does at that kind of price? And if you buy the car at a good discount and keep it for a few years, the financial picture won't be any worse and may be better than if you were to buy something like an Accord. But run the numbers for yourself.
The microphone placement in the ceiling would be better than where you would need to put a portable gps (so callers should hear you better)
You can dial any phone number by voice ("dial 555-7683").
How old is the (model year) of the car? How many miles? What was the actual purchase price (not the MSRP)? How has that year make/model stood up? What is the current make/model selling for new now?
As new model years go up in price that tends to bolster the used car value of the same model.
Hyundai seems to be increasing its MSRP quite a bit recently. Our 2007 Sonata SE purchased 50 weeks ago had an MSRP of $22,005, we paid $16,651 plus fees & tax for OTD @ $18,189. The increased price for the '09's will keep up the used car value of the '07 (and my '05).
The only question that remains is if $325 is the installed price or just the price of the accessory part. You can order the part yourself for $249 at Amazon.com if all you get for $325 is the part and you still need to pay an hour of dealer rate labor to get it installed.
"All prices are suggested and dealer prices may vary. Installation of accessories is extra."
Some of the accessories are things like floor mats and cargo mats that they will "install" for you for no charge.