in a nutshell, huge problem with Honda brakes on all Gen 7 Accords. usually rears it ugly head sonner than later. nothing you can do about it but fight with Honda to replace parts (with the same crap parts). no fun.
has anyone noticed that on the Gen 7 Accords, on the passenger airbag, the dash covering is sagging? the top of my dash is sagging, where the airbag cover is, where it would actually pop out in an accident i guess. this is the second "hollow" place i have found on the car. i wonder if an airbag is even in there now? i am scared that i can press the dash cover down with my fingers...
Per Post #8105: "huge problem with Honda brakes on all Gen 7 Accords" This is not true. Yes, some people with early 2003 production vehicles have experienced some problems with brake wear or pulsing, the vast majority of 7th generation Accord owners have had NO such concerns. My vehicle is part of that vast majority. Individual drivers' driving patterns (lead feet) may have been a factor in brake pulsing due to rotor warping caused by overheating and rapid cooling from deep puddles, car washes, etc.
Per Post #8106, no concerns here about airbag dash cover.
My 2004 Accord is one of the best designed and built vehicles that I've ever owned.
you are the majority? on what planet may i ask? literally hundreds of reported Gen 7 Accords have had brake issues, even 2004 models. imagine the number of unreported problems. this is not made up info - it is based on "inside" info from Honda technicians themselves and other owners. this site is not Honda specific, and there are what, 10 active contributors here? you need to get a wider view of the problem. i would list the sites, but not allowed to on here. you have government sites as well as Honda enthusiast sites. the fact is Honda cheaped out with this model Accord. nothing to do with driving style at all.
that is GREAT that your car is so perfect. will you change your screen/log in name when you have to post a question about a problem? or just eat your words and keep "blane"? you know the second someone senses your less than 100% satisfaction with the car, its all over, haha.
as far as my airbag cover, it seems like there is an easy temp fix. i have to take the car in Tuesday for the brake work again (this time less than 1000 miles since last brake work), at that time i will ask them to take the removable cover off and order a new one, and hope it matches the interior, and hope it is better built.
on a side note - helping a friend look at Audi's today. i know i will get the bug! i hope, for my wallets sake, i still get to take the Honda in on Tuesday. that means i didn't buy one too!
Just as you have lots of reported problems there are hundreds of thousands of Accord owners who aren't in here. I've had 3 Accords from this generation and they have all been flawless. There are approx 700,000 03-04 Accords. Even a thousand people complaining would not make up the majority.
I thought my car was the only one to do this, I checked out another EX V6 and when you put it in reverse they all thump and make a clicking sound. Mine is a little louder than the other car I drove but I guess each car is differant. Everything else works great and shifts solid.
Your post reflects reality. I also suspect our friend Justin is a very hard driver. I follow people like that every day. They tailgate people on the freeway and use their brakes constantly.
When I managed a large shop years ago, we would somtimes refund money to customers who constantly wore out their brakes and demanded we keep replacing them time after time. It was far cheaper and less stressful for us to send them down the road.
Other people with the exact same make and model cars would never have recurring brake problems.
so lets say i am the worst most abusive driver ever. i'm not, but lets say i am. Justin can't drive for you-know-what.
here is the only question that has a 100% concrete answer:
q - why is it only his Honda Accord that can't take the heat?
a - not built with high quality parts.
VW's, Mazda's, even other Hondas/Acuras, BMW, never had brake problems. whats the difference? the Honda Accord just doesn't measure up.
do a Google search on Honda brake problems. visit some sites. have an open mind. then try to blame the DRIVER for mechanical problems. Honda knows they have a problem. how is it that HONDA admits the issue, but a civilian says it doesn't exist? that would be like me saying, "well sure i got the recall notice, but there isn't really a problem." ???? see how funny that sounds?
i can't wait for when someone's Honda doesn't start. that will be his/her fault? this transmission recall - must be people are asking the car not to shift enough/making it shift too much? you can't have it both ways.
Has anyone experienced the following....I've have a 2004 Accord EXV6 for three months and love it until yesterday..after closing trunk discovered that the key no longer will open doors, lock doors or open trunk...then discovered that none of the power door locks, windows, or remote mirrors will work...than discovered that turn signals won't work...other than that car appeared to be functioning normally. Then today I shut trunk again and all systems appeared to work again and then almost immediately stopped working again. I then opened the driver's door with the key and the alarm went off!..could not shut off alarm with key but car would start..drove home with the alarm light blinking all the way..as soon as I opened door, alarm went off again. I obviously have some kind of electrical problem, maybe located in the trunk area. I was wondering if anyone has experienced this problem and does anyone know how to disable the alarm until I can get to the dealer on Mon? Also does Honda have a policy for replacement vehicles for warrantied repair?
"there are hundreds of thousands of Accord owners who aren't in here."
Do you have evidence that they aren't having the same ratio of brake problems exemplified here? If you don't have evidence of their experience, there's no relevance to the reports here of brake problems.
"And many folks have worn brakes at short intervals. It's not just the Accord. "
Odd that the same folks don't complain about brake problems with their prior cars, since you're implying the weak brake system is failing and it's THEIR (the driver's) fault. That shows there's a weak design in the brakes.
Oh my. Few weeks ago - had service to my '94 Honda Accord including major tuneup and valve adjustment, front mtr mount, Oil Pan... Car sounded and drove great following service. Yesterday, engine sounded noisy - last night Check Engine Light came on. Anti-Freeze level looks OK, Oil level looks OK - I don't see signs of mixing of the two, but the top of the engine sounds noisy!!! EGR? Valves? O2? Ideas? Restarted this morning and the light is off, but the engine is still noisy. This is a cross post to Quick Technical Qn. (I hope this is OK). Thanks for anything.
Sounds possible that a valve adjusting lock nut was left loose. I would go back as soon as soon as you can and make sure that all is ok. Other than that we have seen some issues with the cam followers(rockers) in the #2 cylynder on that year and model so that may also be a problem if the adjustment is max and still noisy..Good luck
Honda has a bulletin concerning brake judder and gives no arguement for replacing pads and turning rotors even when car is not on list of VIN's covered. I learned to drive back when braking meant loss of stable control and am very easy on brakes (don't wear out very quickly), but I had to have pads replaced a little over 10K. Many cars in over 40 years, never this problem before. Might not be on every accord, but it is not a driver's fault problem.
I was trying to brush off a white speck of dust or dirt on the casette cover/door when I must have pushed too hard and popped the door off and into the casette unit. While it was easy to pull it back out, I believe I have broken a plastic nub on the right side.
This would be a mere annoyance except that I'm in the process of trying to sell my car. The "hole" formed by the missing door doesn't look inviting.
Can the door be fixed? Can a replacement part be purchased and installed without the major expense of removing the audio unit? Any suggestions?
"Do you have evidence that they aren't having the same ratio of brake problems exemplified here?"
Do you have evidence that they ARE having the same ratio of brake problems?
"If you don't have evidence of their experience, there's no relevance to the reports here of brake problems."
We don't have evidence of anyone's experience outside of these forums. So any conclusions based on the assumption that the general population of Accord owners either is or isn't experiencing a high level of brake problems are strictly conjecture.
As for the forums, we have some reports of people having problems and others of people having no problems. No conclusions regarding how widespread this brake is can be drawn from here either.
thanks very much for your response. the car was pretty quiet when the work was first done a few weeks ago and this came on pretty sudden. maybe something got loose? would that be enough to cause the Check Engine Light or could this be coincidental? i'm hoping for a good scenario / outcome...thanks again.
"We don't have evidence of anyone's experience outside of these forums. So any conclusions based on the assumption that the general population of Accord owners either is or isn't experiencing a high level of brake problems are strictly conjecture."
That's what I just said in response to someone's trying to use the vast unknown as evidence there is no pattern of problems. We agree!!!
"No conclusions regarding how widespread this brake is can be drawn from here either."
But we do know it's widespread enough that Honda has service bulletins and is replacing parts!!! Don't we agree on that!!!
If you do not like the Honda Accord, sell it and get a vehicle that you like. I have a 2003 4 cylinder Accord with 32,000+ miles on the clock, and it does not have any problems. There are some design problems with this vehicle, but it is a "quality product". How about purchasing a Kia or a Chrysler vehicle with engine sludge problems. Make yourself happy. Sell this problem vehicle. Life is too short to drive a vehicle that you do not like. Take the financial hit. It is "only money"!
I'm taking the car into the dealership where I bought it. Hopefully the dealership will pay for the pads. Sure that they are putting on cheap pads. If I go through these in 15,000 miles, I'll have higher end ones put on somewhere else. Thanks for the response.
"But we do know it's widespread enough that Honda has service bulletins and is replacing parts!!! Don't we agree on that!!! "
But haven't yours been replaced several times? Including parts that were not included in that recall? The recall only covered rotors and pads...Once. Shoulda fixed that issue.
"That's what I just said in response to someone's trying to use the vast unknown as evidence there is no pattern of problems. We agree!!!"
Yes, but your post was limited to the statement that the vast unknown doesn't prove that there's no pattern of problems. For the sake of balance, I just pointed out that the vast unknown doesn't prove that there IS a pattern of problems, either. Now that both sides of the coin have been addressed, it does seem that we agree.
"But we do know it's widespread enough that Honda has service bulletins and is replacing parts!!! Don't we agree on that!!!"
There are lots of service bulletins out there, and many of them apply to only a small percentage of cars. And THAT the service manager of my dealership verified. The existence of a service bulletin confirms that a problem exists... it says nothing about how widespread it is.
people lurk and ask questions in these forums. either current owners having problems, or potential buyers checking things out.
the fact is the Gen 7 Honda Accords have some pretty major issues. one of them being brake pad/rotor issues.
people should know this before buying. ideally this board would be for problems AND solutions. its that second part we are still waiting on......HONDA! when VW admitted the coil problem, they also had a solution. waiting on Honda to get with the program. heck, Mazda managed to fix the A/C problems on the Mazda3 in the same model year! ditto the rust problems on the Mazda6.
also, no one that comes in here with a problem should be told it is their fault. that is ridiculous and shows a complete lack of any meaningful education. its really very basic. same driver - car A has brake problems. car B doesn't. car A is clearly higher quality than car B. doesn't get any simpler. who cares about "ratios" and "evidence"? Honda TSB's and service receipts are all the evidence one needs.
An abusive driver can quickly ruin a set of brake pads and warp rotors!
So driver "A" wears out his brakes in 20,000 miles and driver "B" driving the same exact car under similar conditions gets 75,000 miles out of his brakes.
Same thing with a clutch. A lot of people can sell a car with 200,000 miles on the original clutch while others wear them out in 50,000.
And it's hard to come up with a "solution" when a problem is only limited to a few isolated cases. They did have an update on the 2003 models where they replaced the pads with improved versions.
Hopefully yours were replaced with the updated versions.
Thank you - that is helpful. I don't think I can do it myself, since I don't know the parts you're talking about, but I can get it done. Do you have any idea why actual smoke was coming out of the vents the last time a larger than normal am't of fluid dripped? The smoke is what smelled.
My brakes developed warped rotors at 700 mi. on my brand new '04 Accord 6 spd. I drive very gently. Dealer immediately replaced pads and rotors with no protest and only an apology. He didn't seem surprised...
justin, with all respect you are pretty much one of the very few people still complaining about their brakes. Please, if the car is as bad as you say it is, buy something else. An Audi maybe? Mazda 3/6/RX-8? Scion xB? Kia Spectra? Anything.
I have to agree about buying something else if you're unhappy.
I traded in my Accord when it became clear that its brake problems were unsolveable. I took a bit of a financial hit, but my peace of mind increased greatly.
Since the problems began about two weeks after I bought the car, I'm confident that my issues weren't related to brake abuse
Though it's an unfortunate experience to have with a new car, as soon as you move on to something else you'll start to feel less irritated about the whole thing.
I hear noise coming from my rear window (not back window)of my coupe, it sounds like a chirping noise. This only happens at highway speeds any ideas? There does not seem to be any leaks.
Even though my dealer attempted to make me "happy" by replacing pads and turning rotors with no hesitation, he did say that the action he was taking may not fix the problem permanently. So far over the last 5K since the fix, I have had no problem (which I contribute to my NOT abusing the brakes). I assume the dealer guy has some insight and perspective on this issue and he flat said there are problems on the '03 Accord brakes.
believe me, trying to get into another car. but what car? in the meantime, while i have an Accord, i will complain about certain aspects of it to anyone that can read
doing a public service. if it took more energy than just typing i wouldn't bother. but this is easy people come here to get information. i give it straight up and i guess that irritates some folks. its funny, because the people that claim to have perfect Accords are the ones that seem to get so upset. makes me wonder if there is indeed "trouble in paradise" that we aren't hearing about. i would think those that claim to have no problems would be in really good moods! it is only a car, the truth shouldn't be so hard to swallow.
I'm in a great mood. I drove my Accord Saturday and marvelled at the great engine, terrific transmission, awesome climate control, and fabulous XM radio. However, when you resort to saying you are not sure if there is an airbag in your dash ... then it's time to get a new car. If you don't think Honda is capable of remembering to install the airbag in your car then it's obvious to me you will never be happy with this car again.
I would have to have a Sasquatch-sized foot to have caused all of the brake problems with my car.
Three sets of pads and rotors in 12,000 miles (and the first replacement after only two weeks of ownership) is above and beyond what even the worst driver could go through on his or her own.
What that says to me is that there was a problem with the brake system itself on my particular vehicle (note that I'm not claiming that this problem exists with all Accords), which caused premature pad/rotor wear .
For you to assign blame to drivers without any real knowledge of individual cases is irresponsible and unwarranted.
but Honda isn't interested in making sure customers are happy. installing unsafe transmissions and crappy brakes doesn't leave the best taste in your mouth. so when the airbag cover starts sagging, you have to wonder....
i know, i know, its my fault that the dash is sagging. i must be sitting on it too hard
i still love the climate control. and the V6. and though my transmission is a ticking time bomb apparently, it shifts just fine.
if the brakes were better and the rattles gone, it would be as close to perfect as is possible with a car (assuming the transmission doesn't fall out).
maybe Honda is secretly working on a fix and we will learn about it soon.
I believe you've hit the hyperparanoid state that arrives after one too many trips to the dealer service department and/or conversations with Honda Customer Relations.
You begin to lose confidence in the car and view even the most minor sags, creaks, and groans with despair and suspicion.
It's the bitter end of a dysfunctional relationship. There's nowhere to go but out.
Justin, I am old an with age you get wise, been reading your posts. Its time to act. The people on this board cannot help you. If car is under warranty and Honda cannot satisfy you. Seek legal action,check into the lemon law for your state. If that is not what you want to do get a set of aftermarket heavy duty rotors and pads it will fix one of your problems. Also, from the numerous complaints you have, my opinion: you will never be satisfied with this car. Sell or trade it! Why give your coronary arteries constant aggrevation? Act now!
Look while I agree the Honda Accord 03-04 has some issues (I now have the head liner noise @ a few other TSB related issues!!) it is apparent you need to sell your car and buy a Kia. Yes the car has some issues, but MODERATE ones... it's not a conspiracy, we don't all work for Honda, they are not listening to your thoughts.
As luck would have it (I knew this was come'n) I now have:
Head liner noise, Clicking coming from the clutch pedal, smears on my windshield from the wiper fluid, and excessive engine vibration when the A/C kicks in.
All are TSB's, and all will (I love my dealer) be fixed.
Oh and for the record I am a total psycho when it comes to braking from full speed (only when no one is around mom!)... and I haven't been able to warp my rotors Highway speeds into puddles and emergency stops galore (ABS kicking in all the dam time) and nothing. That said I am upgrading to Brembos once these little guys are warn... want to stop even quicker!
I've been driving for almost 50 years and driving Toyotas and Hondas for the last 30+. I have never had to have any work done replacing pads or rotors on any Corolla or Accord before 30-40K miles. In my opinion most people are definitely not aware as to the degree of pressure they are applying when braking. Most drivers have 'heavy' application without being aware of it: it's an unconscious reflex action. Driving too fast for conditions and following too closely also will demand more frequent heavy use of brakes.
Yeah, I've got noise coming out of pillars and headliners. I only notice it if I turn off the stereo.
I suppose everything is relative to expectation and experience. Until March I was driving a 1987 Chevy S10 with power nothing, an AC that gave out years ago, the original, torn-up vinyl seats, carpet that I put in myself, a V6 that struggled to maintain 50mph up a grade, and a tape deck stereo that I had installed myself.
Mow I've got this fully powered, dual climate control, leather interior, V6 with all the cylinders firing, and a 6 CD XM stereo. What clicking??! *grin*
i have heard of a TSB for headliner noise from the rear, near the back window.
is there a fix for the headliner noise near the front seats?
if so, i know someone will send it to me. i will have a complaint that would be resolved! i know you all want that to happen! haha.
why do people keep recommending Kia to me? is there something about Kia that i don't know? are they better than Hondas now? i knew they were making strides....but only getting 190 hp out of a 3.5 liter gas guzzler doesn't make them seem much better. what Kia are people referring to? the Amanti? i am not that old yet...
Does anyone knows how to replace the clock backlight on an 02 Accord EX cp ? The bulb could be burned out, but I don't want to take it to the dealer and be charged $40 for replacement. Is this a do it yourself type of job ? if so, please show me how to do it . Thank you!
Yes, this is a do-it-yourself job. I did it on my 2000 Accord, and nobody would ever mistake me for Mr. Goodwrench.
Take a thin screwdriver and GENTLY pry the clock from the dashboard from the side... use a cloth to prevent marring anything. The clock should pop out with little effort. The bulb is easily accessible from the back... it unlocks with a quarter turn. Replace the bulb and push the clock back into the dash. Should take around 5 minutes.
I may not know the specific conditions of Justin's predicament but I do know that I have driven our Accords HARD. I mean 100+ cruising and stopping and cut and thrust driving in traffic. I owned the first 03 EX-L 5 speed coupe I could find in late 02. That car's brakes had to be resurfaced but I know that a car wash caused that. Three sets of rotors and pads though??? Somebody needs to go back to brake fix-it-school.
Honda is not being consistent. and that is not fair to the consumer. because i don't drive my Accord hard. again, that is what my Miata is for - sporty fun driving. yet they can't get my brakes right. and lots of others are having the same problems. yet you say you drove yours like you stole it, and no problems. except for water getting on the brakes. which is a totally different game. where in the manual does it say "CAUTION - driving in the rain will cause brake damage. Your warranty is void if you encounter a puddle in the road or a carwash."
some Accords are okay (so the owners claim), and some are simply unacceptable. sooooo not what i expected of Honda when i dumped the VW for it!
anyway, all i can hope for is that my next set of rotors and pads will be better. but i will surely be letting everyone know be ready to skip some messages if they don't get it right!
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doesn't make any sense that your rears would be @ 20% already!
Per Post #8106, no concerns here about airbag dash cover.
My 2004 Accord is one of the best designed and built vehicles that I've ever owned.
that is GREAT that your car is so perfect. will you change your screen/log in name when you have to post a question about a problem? or just eat your words and keep "blane"? you know the second someone senses your less than 100% satisfaction with the car, its all over, haha.
as far as my airbag cover, it seems like there is an easy temp fix. i have to take the car in Tuesday for the brake work again (this time less than 1000 miles since last brake work), at that time i will ask them to take the removable cover off and order a new one, and hope it matches the interior, and hope it is better built.
on a side note - helping a friend look at Audi's today. i know i will get the bug! i hope, for my wallets sake, i still get to take the Honda in on Tuesday. that means i didn't buy one too!
When I managed a large shop years ago, we would somtimes refund money to customers who constantly wore out their brakes and demanded we keep replacing them time after time. It was far cheaper and less stressful for us to send them down the road.
Other people with the exact same make and model cars would never have recurring brake problems.
here is the only question that has a 100% concrete answer:
q - why is it only his Honda Accord that can't take the heat?
a - not built with high quality parts.
VW's, Mazda's, even other Hondas/Acuras, BMW, never had brake problems. whats the difference? the Honda Accord just doesn't measure up.
do a Google search on Honda brake problems. visit some sites. have an open mind. then try to blame the DRIVER for mechanical problems. Honda knows they have a problem. how is it that HONDA admits the issue, but a civilian says it doesn't exist? that would be like me saying, "well sure i got the recall notice, but there isn't really a problem." ???? see how funny that sounds?
i can't wait for when someone's Honda doesn't start. that will be his/her fault? this transmission recall - must be people are asking the car not to shift enough/making it shift too much? you can't have it both ways.
Do you have evidence that they aren't having the same ratio of brake problems exemplified here?
If you don't have evidence of their experience, there's no relevance to the reports here of brake problems.
"And many folks have worn brakes at short intervals. It's not just the Accord. "
Odd that the same folks don't complain about brake problems with their prior cars, since you're implying the weak brake system is failing
and it's THEIR (the driver's) fault.
That shows there's a weak design in the brakes.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
This would be a mere annoyance except that I'm in the process of trying to sell my car. The "hole" formed by the missing door doesn't look inviting.
Can the door be fixed? Can a replacement part be purchased and installed without the major expense of removing the audio unit? Any suggestions?
Do you have evidence that they ARE having the same ratio of brake problems?
"If you don't have evidence of their experience, there's no relevance to the reports here of brake problems."
We don't have evidence of anyone's experience outside of these forums. So any conclusions based on the assumption that the general population of Accord owners either is or isn't experiencing a high level of brake problems are strictly conjecture.
As for the forums, we have some reports of people having problems and others of people having no problems. No conclusions regarding how widespread this brake is can be drawn from here either.
I do know the one biggest factor in brake wear is driving habits.
Auburn...what are your feelings since you work on these everyday?
That's what I just said in response to someone's trying to use the vast unknown as evidence there is no pattern of problems. We agree!!!
"No conclusions regarding how widespread this brake is can be drawn from here either."
But we do know it's widespread enough that Honda has service bulletins and is replacing parts!!! Don't we agree on that!!!
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
But haven't yours been replaced several times? Including parts that were not included in that recall? The recall only covered rotors and pads...Once. Shoulda fixed that issue.
Yes, but your post was limited to the statement that the vast unknown doesn't prove that there's no pattern of problems. For the sake of balance, I just pointed out that the vast unknown doesn't prove that there IS a pattern of problems, either. Now that both sides of the coin have been addressed, it does seem that we agree.
"But we do know it's widespread enough that Honda has service bulletins and is replacing parts!!! Don't we agree on that!!!"
There are lots of service bulletins out there, and many of them apply to only a small percentage of cars. And THAT the service manager of my dealership verified. The existence of a service bulletin confirms that a problem exists... it says nothing about how widespread it is.
the fact is the Gen 7 Honda Accords have some pretty major issues. one of them being brake pad/rotor issues.
people should know this before buying. ideally this board would be for problems AND solutions. its that second part we are still waiting on......HONDA! when VW admitted the coil problem, they also had a solution. waiting on Honda to get with the program. heck, Mazda managed to fix the A/C problems on the Mazda3 in the same model year! ditto the rust problems on the Mazda6.
also, no one that comes in here with a problem should be told it is their fault. that is ridiculous and shows a complete lack of any meaningful education. its really very basic. same driver - car A has brake problems. car B doesn't. car A is clearly higher quality than car B. doesn't get any simpler. who cares about "ratios" and "evidence"? Honda TSB's and service receipts are all the evidence one needs.
An abusive driver can quickly ruin a set of brake pads and warp rotors!
So driver "A" wears out his brakes in 20,000 miles and driver "B" driving the same exact car under similar conditions gets 75,000 miles out of his brakes.
Same thing with a clutch. A lot of people can sell a car with 200,000 miles on the original clutch while others wear them out in 50,000.
And it's hard to come up with a "solution" when a problem is only limited to a few isolated cases. They did have an update on the 2003 models where they replaced the pads with improved versions.
Hopefully yours were replaced with the updated versions.
I traded in my Accord when it became clear that its brake problems were unsolveable. I took a bit of a financial hit, but my peace of mind increased greatly.
Since the problems began about two weeks after I bought the car, I'm confident that my issues weren't related to brake abuse
Though it's an unfortunate experience to have with a new car, as soon as you move on to something else you'll start to feel less irritated about the whole thing.
Life is short!
doing a public service. if it took more energy than just typing i wouldn't bother. but this is easy
Three sets of pads and rotors in 12,000 miles (and the first replacement after only two weeks of ownership) is above and beyond what even the worst driver could go through on his or her own.
What that says to me is that there was a problem with the brake system itself on my particular vehicle (note that I'm not claiming that this problem exists with all Accords), which caused premature pad/rotor wear .
For you to assign blame to drivers without any real knowledge of individual cases is irresponsible and unwarranted.
i know, i know, its my fault that the dash is sagging. i must be sitting on it too hard
i still love the climate control. and the V6. and though my transmission is a ticking time bomb apparently, it shifts just fine.
if the brakes were better and the rattles gone, it would be as close to perfect as is possible with a car (assuming the transmission doesn't fall out).
maybe Honda is secretly working on a fix and we will learn about it soon.
You begin to lose confidence in the car and view even the most minor sags, creaks, and groans with despair and suspicion.
It's the bitter end of a dysfunctional relationship. There's nowhere to go but out.
I am old an with age you get wise, been reading your posts. Its time to act. The people on this board cannot help you. If car is under warranty and Honda cannot satisfy you. Seek legal action,check into the lemon law for your state. If that is not what you want to do get a set of aftermarket heavy duty rotors and pads it will fix one of your problems. Also, from the numerous complaints you have, my opinion: you will never be satisfied with this car. Sell or trade it! Why give your coronary arteries constant aggrevation? Act now!
Have fun with the kia and move on.
-D
Head liner noise, Clicking coming from the clutch pedal, smears on my windshield from the wiper fluid, and excessive engine vibration when the A/C kicks in.
All are TSB's, and all will (I love my dealer) be fixed.
Oh and for the record I am a total psycho when it comes to braking from full speed (only when no one is around mom!)... and I haven't been able to warp my rotors
Yeah, I've got noise coming out of pillars and headliners. I only notice it if I turn off the stereo.
I suppose everything is relative to expectation and experience. Until March I was driving a 1987 Chevy S10 with power nothing, an AC that gave out years ago, the original, torn-up vinyl seats, carpet that I put in myself, a V6 that struggled to maintain 50mph up a grade, and a tape deck stereo that I had installed myself.
Mow I've got this fully powered, dual climate control, leather interior, V6 with all the cylinders firing, and a 6 CD XM stereo. What clicking??! *grin*
is there a fix for the headliner noise near the front seats?
if so, i know someone will send it to me. i will have a complaint that would be resolved! i know you all want that to happen! haha.
why do people keep recommending Kia to me? is there something about Kia that i don't know? are they better than Hondas now? i knew they were making strides....but only getting 190 hp out of a 3.5 liter gas guzzler doesn't make them seem much better. what Kia are people referring to? the Amanti? i am not that old yet...
Take a thin screwdriver and GENTLY pry the clock from the dashboard from the side... use a cloth to prevent marring anything. The clock should pop out with little effort. The bulb is easily accessible from the back... it unlocks with a quarter turn. Replace the bulb and push the clock back into the dash. Should take around 5 minutes.
Honda is not being consistent. and that is not fair to the consumer. because i don't drive my Accord hard. again, that is what my Miata is for - sporty fun driving. yet they can't get my brakes right. and lots of others are having the same problems. yet you say you drove yours like you stole it, and no problems. except for water getting on the brakes. which is a totally different game. where in the manual does it say "CAUTION - driving in the rain will cause brake damage. Your warranty is void if you encounter a puddle in the road or a carwash."
some Accords are okay (so the owners claim), and some are simply unacceptable. sooooo not what i expected of Honda when i dumped the VW for it!
anyway, all i can hope for is that my next set of rotors and pads will be better. but i will surely be letting everyone know