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VW Passat Troubles (B5 platform, nee Audi)
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Post 199 - I'm sure that many of the parts carried over from the 97 to the new model Passats.For instance the base Jetta engine has been around forever. It gets tweaking every few years.
Can I ask where I can read the information that you are stating. I'm considering a 2001.5 Passat, but now that I'm hearing about so many troubles, I"m not so sure now, unless I can verify and discuss with the dealer what you are saying. Any references would be much appreciated.
I know the Passat was redesigned for '98. '97 was the last year of the old body style. Are you saying, that neither CR nor Edmund's liked the car back then?
jk2468 - No, I have no idea what the reviewers said about the earlier model Passat. I was just commenting to a poster who had bought a '97 based on the rave reviews the current model was getting.
I have 99 Passat 4 cyl turbo. purchased new in 99. For the record, I have had VW for the past 20+ years, have sold them between 73 and 89 and have been member of their famous "sales guild" for achievement. Over the years, I learned VW could be trusted, Right???
Well, this beautiful 99 Passat was purchased for my wife. Since day 2 the car has had intermittent starting, running, bucking and engine misfire problems. Having been in the business, I kept taking car back to dealer. They stated they can't find anything wrong, but next time, bring it back again. All of these cases have not been documented by dealer writing repair orders. Over the past 2 + years, the car has been back to the dealer 20+ times. The last time the factory representative was called in and worked on vehicle for 6 hours. so far, mass air flow, ignition parts, ECU, and other miscllenous parts have been replaced, all at no cost to me. The problem still exist, and vw rep even acknowledges there is a problem, due to fault codes on computer readout, however, they are unable to duplicate problem.
Situation has been left by telling me they don't want to replace any more parts until problem cause is known, but they have no way to diagonis.
VW is now willing to help me out of the car. There formula is cars only good for 100,000 miles. Divide original purchase price by 100,000 gives cost per mile, multiply cost per mile (appx 10,000) and deduct that from original price paid. this is offered toward "full sticker" of new. Now any genius can deduct for that for this vehicle with 37,000 mile they are offering me 23,300 minus 10,000+ 13,300 (rough estimate). This is extent of their warranty. Think I'll pass on warranty. Am purchasing new Toyota.. Dealers selling to me at $500 over invoice and allowing me $16,000 for this.
My feelings were that since there's a documented problem from day one that if dealer wants $11,000 difference to replace, cost should be split between VW and me, which I'm agreeable to or somebody has to make the car right. I mean, THE CAR IS STILL UNDER TOTED 10/100 WARRANTY. Apparently, VW doesn't agree.
Dealer offered to buy the car back a month ago. We approached dealer yesterday, and he stated he has already traded another one, and isn't a buyer for this one now for any price. (can you blame him)
Considering a new VW. Look around, there's a lot of 1 and 2 year old VW's showing up on used car lots. Maybe, it's just not me.
BEFORE PURCHASING an new VW, may I suggest you check the cost of routine maintenance parts. Spark plugs, $11.50 each. They're Bosh, but are not available anywhere but thru your dealer. You better save a lot on the purchase price, cause you're gonna spend it later.
Bitter? You're darn right I am. I followed dealer and VWs advice and "worked" with them. Consequently, everything wasn't written up and documentation provided me. Now that I'm past the "lemon law" period, I'M JUST ANOTHER LITTLE FISH IN THE SEA!!!
Last, but not least, this car will be showing up on a beautiful "preowned vehicle" lot for resale. Color the perfect color for a lemon, before it ripens.
"immobilized"; and car rides like a truck, dealer says maybe caps on shocks were not removed during prep. Anyone else have problems during first 1K.
buying a new car and the 2001.5 Passat looks great. Now perhaps I have been
spoiled by the Camry, and by Toyota in general, but I want a car that is reliable. It
doesn't matter how pretty or sweet riding a car is if it spends most of its time, and
most of my money, in the shop. It seems that no one is happy with their Passat, and
those that are have experienced at least minor problems. Is this the case? I even
see people posting that they have experienced no problems at 6,000 or 10,000 or
30,000 miles, yet. My Camry has never had a problem, even with 170,000 and still
ticking. Are Passat's reliable? Are these problems exceptions to the rules? Or are
Passats just another pretty but very unreliable car? I would appreciate any thoughts
the group has on this matter!
For every person here who complains about Passat problems there a a few thousand happy owners out there. I love mine, and at 20k miles have had a very satisfactory experience so far. I had a minor tire balance problem, and a rear seat belt guide broke. Otherwise the car has been perfect. I would highly recommend one to anybody who values their driving experience. Reliability overall for the Passat has been average or better. Not as good as Toyota, but better than most. That means that, car for car, the probability of finding one as reliable as your Camry is very probable.
This is a good place to compare problems, but for factual info about owners' experiences I would go to Consumer Reports and similar pubs that collect actual statistics.
Good luck, whatever you buy.
For a satisfied Camry owner, I would advise waiting for the new Camry and for that matter, the new Altima [which sounds like the best thing Nissan has done in decades], both of which are due in September, before making this decision. I love the way the Passat performs on the road, love the way it looks and feels, but the combination of the reliability risk and the stunning differences in real-world transaction prices put me into an '01 Accord V6. My best friend went with a Passat 1.8 turbo...he's happy, notwithstanding his failed climate control...I'm just as happy about not having any failures at all. Depends on what you value most. I wish my car rode as well as his, and had the 5 spd automatic, but not enough to trade for the long run....
I wouldn't agree to "much" riskier. When comparing the overall Camry fleet to the overall Passat fleet Camry has much better than average reliability, and the Passat has better than average (CR and JD Power.) Passat's problems per 100 cars is something like 125, Camry's 108 (I'm going by memory here - maybe someone has the numbers.) I wouldn't characterize that as " . . a much riskier proposition . .". The risk of getting a car with some problems is higher with the Passat. Camry's is nearly unparalelled.
For an individual car, a troublesome car can be a real headache, for either one.
I'm sure when my dealer resolves the relatively
minor problems I'll feel better. Probably won't have another problem til the next 25K miles.
But now I realize I have a problem windshield.
Distortion in the lower left and right corners.
Is this normal??
I am reminded of some friends who have a Lexus LS 400. They received the Powers survey and marked TWO problems in the "Fit & Finish" section. First, extrapolated, those two errors on one car would translate to 200 in the power rankings which, based only on this car, would put Lexus down there with Kia, but the actual "problems" they noted were a hoot. One was that if you were driving over a really bumpy road and changing CD in the in-dash changer at the same time, it would sometimes skip to the next CD, not the one you selected (The Horrors! Recall! Lemon!!). The other was that with the sun roof open there was a lot of wind noise on the freeway (duh!).
Regardless, the rankings are a good way to draw very general conclusions about how satisfied owners are of the car they chose. These same Lexus owners would have found about 300 problems with a Camry.
HiC
But they are a reasonable reading on the overall reliability of a platform, and CR does break out drivetrain from electrical, etc.
12/98 Rear cup holder - "fixed"
12/98 VERY Squeaky rear passenger side brake - never fixed
12/98 Front door window channel weather-stripping split
1/99 Rear cup holder - "fixed"
8/99 Rear cup holder - "fixed"
8/99 Engine control unit - replaced
10/99 Replace entire turbo unit (waste gate broke)
10/99 Bad tie rod
10/99 Brake booster hose
4/00 Rear washer motor
7/00 Side door molding coming off
4/00 Middle seat belt won't extend (locked in place)- $250 to repair
5/00 Driver side window makes creaking noise during roll-up - $100 to repair
5/00 driver's side rear seat fold-down latch broken - $200 to repair
I finally had to fix the rear cup holder myself on 9/99 to actually keep it working. I found that the manufacturing was good, but that the design was rather poor. I had to make a retaining clip to keep the springs in place.
Thanks!
99 V6 5 speed manual, no lag.
This NEVER happened in 20 years of Toyotas and its happening in just five days with a new Volkswagen!
Now, I would like to ask if any of you Passat owners can verify this info or does anyone think there is something wrong with that car? It only had 5 miles on the odo when she bought it, is otherwise absolutely flawless.
Please give some advice from your personal experience. Thank you so much.
MinorProblems: Why buy the 1.8T for such a big car? Because...1. Only 20HP difference between my 2001.5 and the V6 2. Acceleration (albeit maybe louder) of 4 is as good as V6 3. Save $.
Thank you!
If anyone could help me on the mileage tip..max miles I can drive on a Passat or any useful hints, I would be grateful.
"I'm getting a loud popping from a stereo speaker, but only intermittently. It seems like a loose speaker connection, and pops as the car bounces."
Ever get this fixed? Mine comes from the passenger tweeter, and is the same volume of obnoxious popping regardless of the volume of the stereo (2001.5 Monsoon). Bumps or sharp turns exacerbate the problem, but interestingly enough:
touching the speaker fixes the problem for anywhere from a minute to a day.
Loose connection? Bad ground? Dealer couldn't replicate it, of course, but I'm pretty sure it's coming from around the speaker.
Otherwise, no problems and I love the car.
If you drive short distances, put few miles on yearly, and are a generous tipper with the service mgr., you should love your car for about the length of the warranty.
fcng: Too bad about your experiences. Mine has been the opposite so far, and the service has been very good. It's a shame to write off an entire car company based on two experiences. VW's overall reliability for the Passat and the Golf have been average, and the Jetta only slightly lower.
Actually, I have more sympathy with car_nut1's comment, because the way dealer service and VW-USA treat customers does reflect on the whole company. So far, I have not had those experiences. I've never tipped a service manager in my life, though. They've always done just fine without having their palms greased.
By the way, I have 20K miles on my 4cyl 2k Passat with a manual tranny. Here is my opinion about the car:
Likes:
Good amount of torque
Excellent passing power
Smooth ride
Excellent economy
Dislikes/Problems:
Not so smooth shifter
Intermittent rattle from near the rear left window.
Too soft a suspension(should've got the sport suspension and bigger wheels)
Black car - heats up inside a lot.
The car has been a pleasure to drive so far and I hope it'll be so in the future.
One more question - Can the new 02 ECU be swapped for the 2k one?
Write to: Mr. Peter Georgievski
VW of America
3800 Hamlin Road
Auburn Hills, MI 48326
No one can promise a quick fix to your problem. But, informing the company and providing solid documentation can only help. Even if it doesn't help you, it may help another customer down the road. And who knows, when your lease is up or your ready for your next car, the Passat may now be the car you thought it would be.
So, this weekend, don't be lazy, let Peter know just what ails your vehicle. And just so he doesn't get too depressed, mention the good things too.
Anyone else heard that?
The guy said it's pretty tight in there, and the wire (or connector?) was probably touching the casing. When I pushed the speaker and the popping went away, I was probably just fully shorting it out and losing all signal to the speaker.
Anyway, if you've got speaker popping bugging you (at least in a monsoon tweeter), at least suggest they check the speaker and insulate any bare wire or connectors.
By the way, my wife thought the service folks were very helpful at Alexandria VW (Virginia). Surprised me, considering what I've seen in the chat groups.
I'd check a few things, if you're not sure if it's coming from a speaker or which one:
1) Check each speaker first to see if there's sound coming out. Never did this myself, because it was obviously that tweet. You might try a paper towel tube or something for the tweeters, 'cause they're hard to hear directly.
2) Push on each tweeter. I found I could sometimes generate (or stop) the popping this way.
Good luck!