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Even so, Civics are priced to compete.
I have never driven a Civic before this one and I really like the ride, steering, suspension (does great over the tracks), fuel economy, and interior size. The more that I see of it the better that I like the style.
I agree that over 65 it gets a little noisy but nothing more than any other small car and better than most.
I like the look a lot and I would choose it again. The wheels and splash gaurds round it off well too. FYI the tint level on factory glass is about 5% according to the tinter and the 2 choices that I had were 37% and 52% each plus the 5%.
Still, $785 isn't bad - considering it includes free towing and car rental for 7 years/100,000 miles.
1 The markup is 100% on warranties.
2 Don't waste your money the bikes wear out before they break, and he meant after many, many years. I bet the same applies to the cars.
I buy them anyway because I sell my own cars and bikes instead of trading to pick up a couple of thousand bucks per trade and having warranty on a bike or car always pays for the price of the warranty plus in increased selling price. You don't get the same benefit if you trade though, they just cancel your warranty and send you a prorated check for a small amount of what it cost and don't give you retail for your car of course, why would they. So in the mean time I have the benefit of full warranty and roadside assistance, a pretty good deal for me.
$785 is a good price in my opinion, and maybe I'll buy it later this year after I attempt a little bargaining.
I personally still think $200 is too much! I mean, how much work is it to sell a policy from Honda? I mean, they give Honda $585 of that money, and then everytime they work on my car under warranty, Honda reimbursed them for the work (they make money). So, is $200 for 10 minutes of work fair, when they will continue to make money on the deal in the future regardless? There must be something I don't understand.
I think I'll offer $685 to several local dealerships and call it a day.
WarrantyDirect.com charges $910 for their 7/100k platinum plan with a $0 deductible! The Diamond plan is $970 with no deductible. I don't know if these plans are better or worse, but if WarrantyDirect.com goes bankrupt, you're screwed. I think they claim the Diamond plan is true "bumper to bumper" which would be nice.
Anyway, check out:
http://www.hondawarranty.net
They claim to sell actually Honda extended warranties and they appear to be fairly cheap. The Civic link is dead, but for a 4 cylinder 2001 Accord, $770 with no deductible, 7 yr/100k miles.
I hope the Civic's is even lower.
INKY
I think that the only way that this can really affect you on the Civic is if you buy say an LX with a 14" wheel and then change to a 15" wheel with a larger diameter tire. If you found a 15" low profile tire that had the same outside diameter as the original 14" tire it would be a wash.
Another thing, how fast does the 1.7L 127hp engine bring the civic sedan up to 60 mph with auto?
New Struts are also very apparent. There IS something missing when you drive. Whether a common buyer notices this otr not I noticed it a BIG time.
Even though it is all around improvement(Interior materials, room, classy looks) these two things(steering/wishbone) are making me too sad. I won't drive 2001+ civic again.....
My Accord 2000 gives very good feedback of what is happening below on the surface.
ISell: This is a BIG disappointment, please convey our thoughts about the new suspension & steering to appropriate authorities.
Anyone who really prefers the old car to the new is, of course, entitled to their opinions, and if those opinions mean one less sale, then that's one more car available for the rest of us. I am very confident Honda has hit a home run with this car in terms of the vast majority of the potential market. Skeptics should wait to try the new Mazda Protege after the first of the year...oops, it has struts, too, notwithstanding the good handling and braking...oh well...
I just went over 1000 miles on mine and am quite happy to average 36 MPG on the first couple tanks of gas. I do wish I had ponied up for the CD player now though.
I have been getting 31 MPG my at 1000 miles also. Wish I had your driving habits.
New civic is improvement in almost every area: NVH, Power, Styling, Interior materials, Upscale look. The only thing which is hurt is feedback thru Steering & suspension. I am not complaining about struts all the way. Honda is getting bad-press for struts as they over-advertised their wishbones previously. I am also concerned abouot rear-suspension being much softer than 2000. It is evident while driving. Steering is light & effortless than 2000 but it lacks the typical Honda road feedback. (2001 has variable assist which is good though on Highways when Mazda Protege's steering annoys too much)
There is no way I ever get something other than Civic if I was in compact market, but this change of flavour is not going very well with me atleast.
We are all different and have different opinions. I respect his but have not heard it echoed by anyone else that I've dealt with.
But, that's why I like reading this stuff..:)
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==> Yes that is correct, I do help my friends getting cars. So happend to seat in passenger seat atleast 2-3 times & did test drive LX once.
Is there any problem ??
Also 95% of the buyer's won't notice the diff is Honda's guess. I guees they are dead right on target. 95% aren't noticing -:) !!
Also have followed many 2001 Civics lately on my regular commute. I see damping on the rear end(up-down movement) which I didn't observe on 2000.
So it leads me to believe(which was confirmed after driving) that they have softened the rear-suspension in the name of softer ride. Ofcourse this is not as pronounced as in Corolla/Camry (Thank God for that)
I've lost a few sales to Camry and Corolla because the shoppers preferred the mushy, softer ride.
Personally, I don't think handling suffered at all. When the new Civics were introduced to us, I drove one through a test track lined with cones.
We all agreed that it was improved over the 2000 models.
We also drove Sentras, Corollas and a Focus through the same track. The Focus was next best, and the Corolla was, by far, the worst.
I am also lucky in that I commute about 25 miles one way to work everyday and about 23 miles of that is highway driving.
I figure I could probably get over 40 MPG on an extended trip where I don't try to average 80 MPH. I noticed that it tends to use a little more gas at those speeds.
Does the $250 for the CD player include installation? I need to start looking into getting one put in, but am a little unsure of where to start. Places like Best Buy or Cicuit City an an option?
I would insist on having it completely inspected by a qualified shop!
68,000 miles is nothing for a Honda.
However, if the car is in good shape, the seller has mispriced it and it's probably already sold by now.
You are worrying about the wrong thing! Once again, 68,000 miles is NOTHING for a well maintained Honda. Give this guy NO MONEY until you have the title! And make sure to have the car inspected!
People....For crying out loud...when a car is priced way below market, something is WRONG!
Bargain hunters are the ones that usually get burned the worst!
Civic's suspension when they test drove the car,
would they be saying the handling is a
disappointment?? "
==>No Handling is not at all a disappointment. It is just that Honda-fans(& also Honda in their brochures) use to rave about Double-Wishbones too much. So with the loss of it these fans have to listen to some music atleast.
My point of concern is feedback thru Steering. It is noticiable. Ofcourse that won't drive me away from the new Civic as it is WAY better than other competetors.
Louie
I purchased a new Civic LX 2001 a few weeks ago.
It's great although I had to take it back to the dealer because the left front struts were bad.
What I notice though is that when I turn off the engine, I notice a very slight 'shudder' from the engine. Is this normal? I have 712 miles on it.
Thanks for any input you can provide.
After getting back in my Civic, I felt like I was in a sports car: great steering feedback, road hugging suspension, better braking. Needless to say I did not buy the car.
factory stereo unit, does that mean the keyless
entry won't work with an aftermarket stereo?"
Only the '96-'98 Civics had the keyless entry tied into the radio. The 2001's have it as a seperate system.
-Trevor
www.honda-accessories.com
Civic Coupe got the 5-star crash test rating(BOTH front/Side). Sedan got 5 & 4 star rating !!
Changes in the front suspension are really paying off it seems !!
I measure from full tank to full tank using the trip odometer as it should be done too.