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I traded in my '98 Intrigue for my '02 just because of the 3.5 engine. After 2 years and 74,000 miles I can say that this is a VERY strong motor and that it runs like a jewel. Mileage averages between 27-29 on the highway and I saw 31 mpg on the way back from Lake Tahoe this year.
Speeds average between 70-85 and I like the fact that this thing takes 6 quarts of oil. A deep sump with a DOHC engine should let me see 200K before I think about another car. It is too bad that the General wants to kill this engine. I saw in article in the LA Times last week that said GM plans to go OHV in their engines now. Too bad because the 3.5 could have been built into a real 'go fast' engine. Ah, well...things that could have been.
The problem was the heater housing needed to be resealed. They conducted a water test and after the test the carpet was damp. However, the technician at the dealer had the car running for 3 hours to dry up the carpet according to the service invoice. I just can't believe they would do such a thing. Won't this damage the engine? They could have used a hair dryer.
I really think it's time to just take your losses, and get rid of it as soon as you can. I now you like the new 9-3's and the CTS, but are waiting for the updated 2004 model. In the meantime though, the Olds is only losing more and more of what little value it has, and giving you much aggravation. I've seen some great deals on both leasing and purchase of CTS's lately, and I'd probably pop for a lease on one myself if in the market right now, as the current 2003 model is pretty terrific in and of itself. But, the decision is still yours....unless that transmission has something to say about it!
I would think a malfunctioning transmission would qualify.
You might be past the alloted time for lemon law but maybe you get get Olds or your dealer to work somethin out. Maybe get you an '02.
As it says in small type with a small caddy logo, in my rear door glass:
"Cadillac Northstar Powered"
...leaving from Chicago for our new Home in Vegas
Monday, Intrigue gets shipped. If anyone is ever out there, we should hook up, Merry Christmas all, may your New Year be filled with high revs and switchback roads!- ketch
When talking with a salesguy at a dealer regarding a used Intrigue a few weeks ago, I inquired why their asking price was a couple grand below KBB. He answered that they have problems with used Oldsmobiles and Plymouths - noone wants to buy a discontinued brand- unless they can pratically steal it. That's why the plethora of used Intrigues at $10,999 or less. Said KBB is meaningless. Even the banks use it less and less on certain models.
Rational or not, 98.5% of the public , who don't understand how good the Intrigue really is, are going to shy away from buying one. The best bet is to advertise privately and hope that some car guy , who understands the Intrigue's value, will bite. Trade in-values through dealers are falling off a cliff as time goes by.
Since you have a 2002 have you gone through a winter yet. when the system works or kicks in it lights up the low trac light for a few seconds to let you know your slipslidingaway.
I would definitly take it in tell them your story and have themcheck for codes..
The PCS, Trac Control and ABS all share the same computer( i believe) and it reciecves inputs from the Abs sensors on the wheels . the yaw sensor under the seat or dash, the steering angle sensor from the rack, the speed of the vechicle. and lateral acceration of the car. It then controls required braking of the apprompriate wheel(s). If that is not enough then it will reduce tranny gearing and finally reeduce fuel delivery to try and get you going where you point the wheel
I took mine into an empty parking lot when new and tried to spin her out and was unable to do so.
I was accerating and jerking the wheel hard and the stupid puppy did its damdest to stay on coarse. The weidest feeling i ever had. Brakes pulsing and thumping , tranny shifing and no matter how hard i floored it while turning hard in the gressy lot the stupid thing just lugged down. This thing was so smart i was waiting for a voice to tell me to "stop it".
That said , its not invinable and is only a aide. It like 4 wheel drive. gives you a false sense of security. just like the trac control, makes you think it aint slippery.
However one day as i came off a off ramp, it kiked in and let me know there was black ice. neat
Any way take her in because you should have it working for the winter and those leaves on the ground in the fall.
Since you have a 2002 have you gone through a winter yet. when the system works or kicks in it lights up the low trac light for a few seconds to let you know your slipslidingaway.
I would definitely take it in tell them your story and have them check for codes..
The PCS, Trac Control and ABS all share the same computer( I believe) and it recieves inputs from the Abs sensors on the wheels . the yaw sensor under the seat or dash, the steering angle sensor from the rack, the speed of the vehicle. and lateral acceration of the car. It then controls required braking of the appropriate wheel(s). If that is not enough then it will reduce tranny gearing and finally reduce fuel delivery to try and get you going where you point the wheel
I took mine into an empty parking lot when new and tried to spin her out and was unable to do so.
I was accellerating and jerking the wheel hard and the stupid puppy did its damdest to stay on coarse. The wierdest feeling I ever had. Brakes pulsing and thumping , tranny shifting and no matter how hard I floored it while turning hard in the greasy lot the stupid thing just lugged down. This thing was so smart I was waiting for a voice to tell me to "stop it".
That said , its not invinceable and is only a aide. It like 4 wheel drive. gives you a false sense of security. just like the trac control, makes you think it aint slippery.
However one day as I came off a off ramp, it kicked in and let me know there was black ice. neat
Any way take her in because you should have it working for the winter and those leaves on the ground in the fall.
Anyway, we just recently purchased a 2002 from the company. Why? Because we love the car, and because they are the best deal out there. And it's going to get better (for buyers). Thousands of 2001 and 2002's are coming off the rental fleets, and a well-maintaned 2002 can be had for $13,995-14,995, depending on mileage. We paid slightly less with an employee discount. But even at the retail pirce, these are screaming bargains. And at auction, '01's are going for around $10K.
ketch : Good luck in Vegas. Great town, enjoyed it a lot last time I visited.
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http://waw.wardsauto.com/ar/auto_ten_best_engines_4/index.htm
There was also an interesting article about the possibility of adding a Cutlass model to the Intrigue line back in 2000 that I thought was interesting: http://waw.wardsauto.com/ar/auto_intrigue_cutlass_revival/index.htm
we're lucky we got the 3.5 DOHC. Apparently Intrigue was first conceived using the 3.4L OHV found in GMs minivans. Yuck!
http://www.angelfire.com/comics/lesabre_88/2002_auto_show.html
The biggest problem, at least around here, is that there just are not many around. The ones that are around are used rentals, which I would never touch. Therefore you are looking a 99 or 00 with 35000+k on it for the low teens. That to me is not a good deal. I thought it made more sense to pay the extra $5-6k to save 3 years worth mileage and use.
By the way, last time I checked, the dealer that I traded my Alero into on Oct. 22 still has it sitting there for sale for $12999 (NOT gonna happen)...Of course, they'd probably still have my Intrigue there if I didn't buy it!
BUT, last week, I went to LA. I did not see a single Intrigue, let alone an Oldsmobile, the entire week I was there. It's like 20% Mercedes, 20% Lexus, 20% Honda, 20% Toyota, 20% all others(and most of those were foreign) And I spent almost every free moment I had driving around sight seeing.
The other thing is...other than the weather, why the heck do people live out there. I could literally TASTE the exhaust from all the cars. And traffic, my god, how can houses cost so much when those people are ALWAYS out driving around . It was kind of cool driving around with a Grand Marquis....no one messed with that beast!! Still got my intrigue for sale...this is heartbreaking
mfletouva : I look in the Auto Trader every few months and the asking price for similarly trimmed Intrigues is almost identical on average to Regals and GPs. Not real concerned anyway as we will likely keep our car for another 5 years.
When I contacted K&N to find out why the prices are different, here is the respone I got:::
Me: [A screen shot was supplied to show the Fram and K&N part numbers] Two filters show when I do a cross reference for my air filter. The same two filters show when I use the AC Delco part number as well as Fram. AutoZone has a price of $49 for one and $79 for the other. If both filters fit my car and all K&N filters do the same job, why does one cost more than the other?
K&N: The best way to find a filter for your vehicle is using our application search on our website at http://www.knfilterchargers.com/search/appsearch.aspx. The molding on our filters would not be as pliable as other manufacturers and sometimes.
Let me know if you have any additional questions.
Best Regards,
Me:
My car (the 2001 Oldsmobile Intrigue) is the only model Oldsmobile that is not listed. However, I used your application ("the cross reference guide if you know a manufacturer's part number"
[http://knfilters.com/crossref.htm] ). The Fram part number is CA6479. That page returns 33-2057 AND 33-2086.
The question I was asking was is why is 33-2086 more expensive than 33-2057 since your own site's cross reference list them both for the one Fram
number? Since the Fram filter fits my car perfectly, why are two listed on the search and why is one more expensive than the other.
Please do not reply with the statement "if your vehicle is not listed, there is no filter supported". Your site shows two will fit. And even if the above quote is true, it does not explain why two of your filters that are the same
size are $30 different which is what I was asking in my first email.
K&N: We do not recommend a filter for your vehicle. Our filters are made of a special urethane, which may not seal properly with the airbox for the Oldsmobile Intrigue. Some of the other manufacturers, like Fram use a different molding, which is more pliable. It is possible that either filter may fit by dimensions, however, it may not properly seal. If you chose to use either of these filters, it would be against our recommendation.
Let me know if you have any additional questions.
Best Regards,
As I expected, he never answered my question as to why there are differences between their own filters for the same airbox. So I sent this last email:
Let me make this very, very simple.
I'm referring to YOUR filter numbers. Why is filter 33-2086 more money than 33-2057??? I understand what you are saying about Fram and other manufacturers. YOUR website shows that BOTH these filters will fit and airbox matching the Fram part number. If I use the K&N, K&N is not liable for any engine damage. I understand that. But you STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED my question:
Why is filter 33-2086 more money than 33-2057 when both will fit the same airbox?
In the meantime, I ordered 33-2057 since it was cheaper. I only sent the last email to satisfy my curiosity. I expect the same corporate blow-off that's I've been getting thus far. I'll let you know how it turns out. Oldsman01, how did your car perform with 33-2057?
This makes me question: Did Oldsmobile deliberately make some kind of deal with K&N not to officially offer a filter for the Intrigue? After all, EVERY--and I mean EVERY--Oldsmobile model [minivan included] has a filter except the Intrigue. Computer hardware manufacturers do this all the time (check out this link as an example: http://www.margi.com/support/dtg_download.htm).
What I don't understand is why they would do this. Obviously K&N makes one that fits the car but anytime one tries to get a straight answer they read a template much like what I was told. Oh well, I guess we'll see what answer I get.
There are some posters here that have put on cat-back exhausts. I think the SLP part for Grand Prix fits. Good luck.
This sounds identical to a problem I had on my 00 GLS. The dealer replaced Crank Sensor, blah, blah, blah and 4 visits later still did it. Well it turned out to be a the Fuel Pressure Regulator. have not had it happen again. make sure the dealer checks this!
Frank
Unfortunately, I notice no difference in performance. I've taken the car to redline in 1st gear, yet there's nothing extraordinary. I think that I may be accelerating slightly quicker than before, but the difference is negligible.
As for the cat-back, I have the SLP cat-back exhaust made for the Buick Regal and the Intrigue. It says on the website that it's for the 3800 V6, but it fits my 3.5 just fine. I think that SLP doesn't want to guarantee 10 more horses with the 3.5 as they claim with the 3800.
The only complaint is that it hangs a tad bit too low, and I miss that midrange punch. Though it accelerates much more linearly and wants to get to the redline a lot quicker.
In any case, here was their response:
Unfortunately, I am not involved in the pricing of our products and would not have any specific information to share with you. If a product costs
more to produce the MSRP will reflect a higher price. I have listed the MSRP for each filter below for your convenience.
Part Number MSRP
33-2086 $80.57
33-2057 $67.08
Best Regards,
I purchased 33-2057 and, including tax, came to exactly $46. So I suppose I made out OK by going to AutoZone. And it came in next day with nothing extra. I just had to go the store to get it.
So, since everyone who's had success has used 33-2086, I'm going to get a refund and order this one.
Today's lesson boys and girls: DON'T USE K&N 33-2057! :-)
The Intrigue, on the other hand, while really not that quick either (feels a little out of breath w/ the 3.8 sometimes), is a torque monster and is very good at bursting off the line, even if you can't fly away on the highway. I haven't driven a 3.5 liter Intrigue yet, but I bet it would be that much better!
Now, if it wasn't just for our Avalanche's sweet V8....I'm still amazed everytime I drive it how darn quick it is all the time. Sooooo nice.....
300M::: When I was at the latest Chrysler event I did notice that the M and Intrepid SXT felt strong off the line. However, top end was kind of lacking. I drove an Intrepid R/T 2 years back and I must admit, below 50 mph it was a fun car to throw around. But I, too, have smoked 300Ms which is odd because not only does it have (on paper) a more powerful engine, the transaxle has a higher gearing than my 3.05. I'm thinking the M's problem comes because Chrysler uses a SOHC with 24 valves as opposed to what everyone else uses: DOHC 24 valves. I don't know what advantage there is to a SOHC but it sounds like a poor-man's attempt at 24 valve technology. I suppose the gas used (87 vs 93) may have something to do with it too.
That being said, I do like the M (not the special edition-feels like your driving Fred Flintstone's ride), Intrepid SXT and upcoming Pacifica.