2013 and Earlier - Toyota Sienna Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Work with the internet contact first. Get a few prices.

    Then ask to do a test drive, and I'm sure they'll honor the price quotes they gave you early on.

    Another option - go to a 2nd dealership.
  • nchris1276nchris1276 Member Posts: 1
    That's great. So, how much was a invoice price?
  • husker92husker92 Member Posts: 44
    So what is everyone thinking on the 2010 Sienna's (LE with EVP2)?

    Buy now with the 0% or wait until the 2011's arrive and gamble on a better incentive and maybe lower prices?

    There still seems to be a good inventory in my area. Good, but not great.

    Just trying to see what everyone else thinks.

    I also was thinking of waiting for the 2011's but I cannot see the pricing for a 2011 with 7 passenger and dual power doors (is that even an option since LE will only be 8 passenger) to be anywhere near what a 2010 would go for now. Why would they only make LE in eight passenger? My kids love their armrests!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The gamble is that supplies will dwindle and you may not get the color you want, or even the model

    Be honest with yourself - are you flexible about those?

    What's more important to you, getting the best deal, or getting the best van?

    2010 pros: best value, already a great van, bigger 8th seat.

    2011 pros: mama-mia did you see that lounge chair? 6EAT. LE content.
  • stoyotastoyota Member Posts: 28
    I am in the same boat and unable to decide. Any suggestions?
  • nobonobo Member Posts: 305
    Althought the crystal ball is always foggy about the future, I don't see any incentives for the first few months on the 2011s. The incentives will be to get rid of the 2010s. It would be nice to drive both before purchase, but the 2010 inventory gets less every day.

    I forsee paying more for a 2011, so if price is your guide, you probably should buy now while you can get close to color and options you want.
  • husker92husker92 Member Posts: 44
    What am I doing wrong. I have 5 quotes from dealers, and I cannot get a quote for a 2010 Sienna LE with EVP#2 any lower than $26,200 :confuse: . How are others on this board finding $23,700 deals?

    If that is their best price on the 2010 LE with EVP#2, I guess I am better off waiting for a 2011 and paying a few thousand more for a better looking design.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I would say at least drive a 2011 model.

    If you love it, you will feel a lot of remorse later if you buy a 2010 now.

    By waiting your selection of 2010s will dwindle, but the deals may get better, and I doubt they will run out in your region right away.
  • ttenragttenrag Member Posts: 38
    Most people here have already decided to buy a Toyota Sienna, so it basically comes down to a few dollars as to what to buy. If your like me, you are going to keep this vehicle for almost 10 years. Spend the extra money and get the van you really want. A few thousand dollars here and there isn't going to matter much over the course of 10 years.

    If you purchase a 2011 during the year 2010 you will already be ahead financially on the resale value....not to mention the resale value of having a new design. The 2011 will most likely be safer, quiter, more comfortable, and I believe much better looking.

    For me, I am going to be buying a 2011 Sienna XLE-AWD. Just waiting for them to hit the showrooms!
  • nobonobo Member Posts: 305
    Good points. If one keeps a vehicle for 5+ years, might as well be driving in the latest technology.
  • chriscicchriscic Member Posts: 6
    My understanding is the 8-passenger now has the two full captain's chairs in the second row regardless of the middle seat. This is in contrast to the 2010 where the two outside seats in the second row were smaller with the 8-passenger.

    At least this is what he salesperson told me (and it makes sense). He said the 8-passenger before wasn't a popular option before because of the smaller resulting seats. So now you can just get the 8-passenger and just decide whether you want to leave the middle seat there or not... no sacrifice required.

    This was the last thing I needed to hear to decide to wait for the 2011 (not many 2010 XLE's left in my area anyway).
  • hogan773hogan773 Member Posts: 255
    Yeah as much as I am a sucker for a deal, I don't want to rush into a 2010 and then feel like I wanted the 2011. I went to a lot today and they said they were out of 2010s completely, although they just bought several 2009 used ones (fleet cars? rentals? not sure)

    Funny thing is, the salesman knew much less about the 2011 than I did after having spent a couple hours reading the Internet. He just kept saying "they haven't really told us much about them yet" but he thought they were coming in one week.....I'm always amazed that salesmen often dont know squat. I was in a Honda place last weekend looking at the Odyssey (which has been around for years) and the guy couldnt figure out how to pop out the center seat. Really? You've been selling this car for years and nobody has asked you to do that? Perhaps he was a brand new salesman, otherwise perhaps instead of taking a smoking break, he should just prod, pull and explore some of the cars he's selling....
  • husker92husker92 Member Posts: 44
    I just came from test driving a 2010 LE. I first asked the salesman if they had any 2011s yet. He said no. I asked if he knew when they might get some. He said that the new model years usually came in July or August? Huh? He had no idea that it was even redesigned. He said he just started there last month, but during the test drive he said he came from AZ, where he was the manager of a Toyota dealership. CLUELESS!!!!

    I wish they would come out with the pricing with options already so I can see exactly how much more $$ it would be to wait for the 2011.
  • momof5girlsmomof5girls Member Posts: 19
    My dealership said sometime in September....she said, "you know the 2010's haven't been out very long" Does anyone know...do you need to go to the XLE to get the DVD? What about the navigation system? I really don't want a moonroof which looks like the main addition on the XLE.
  • claude618claude618 Member Posts: 15
    It is loaded (DVD, Nav, Parking sensors, Rear camera, ... )... certified pre-owned .... but the asking is almost 27k. Feels hard to justify that amount given its mileage, but it is in outstanding condition. I think it should be more in the 24k ballpark but the Edmunds TMV says 29k.

    I think if I pay over 25k I'm a sucker. Does anyone have any advice on a price for this car?

    Thanks
  • hogan773hogan773 Member Posts: 255
    If it feels wrong to you then its not the right price for you......

    re: DVD and NAV - I believe those are always options on the lower trim cars ie you don't have to buy a Limited just to get DVD NAV.

    We all KNOW its Feb for the 2011s - its plastered all over the Net. Cynically I could say that a salesman wants you to buy the car he has there TODAY and therefore doesnt want you to know that a NEW! model is coming in just weeks....but its probably just that they are clueless/uninformed/whatever. Even though I didn't let on, it was obvious that I knew much more about the 2011s than the guys at the dealership I was talking to, and that was after about 2-3 hours of surfing the net and reading a few reviews and forum posts.....
  • jtbaldjtbald Member Posts: 3
    Just bought a certified pre-owned 2010 Sienna LE today for $22K. Has only 18K miles on it. I think I did well (right?) and am guessing they were looking to clear inventory with the '11s coming in next month. I was actually surprised they accepted my offer (was listed at $23,980, which they told me at the dealership was the internet price and $1K less than the price on the lot; didn't really impress me).
  • nobonobo Member Posts: 305
    If that was OTD you did ok. LE new could be bought for 23 to 24K. If it cost 22K plus taxes, etc. then someone did good and got 18K miles at a low cost.
  • husker92husker92 Member Posts: 44
    Nobo, it depends on the options as well. 23k to 24k will get you an LE, but not with a lot of options, right? The best I could find in my area was 25,350 OTD for a new LE with QF, RL, AL, CF, FE. There is no cash back in my area, but there is 0% for 36 months. Still debating between 2010 and 2011.
  • husker92husker92 Member Posts: 44
    Sorry, my best quote was 25,350 + TTL for a 2010 LE with EVP2, 16" allow rims, floor mats, daytime running lights and 0% for 36 months. Given the MSRP for the 2011 LE V6 (with all these options and more) is 28,900, I think I will wait until the 2011s come out.

    If I could find a dealer willing to sell to me at 23-24K, I would go with the 2010. But they are just not getting that low in my area right now.
  • jtbaldjtbald Member Posts: 3
    Not sure what OTD stands for ? It is a certified pre-owned 2010. The dealership owned the car and used it as loaner - hence the 18K miles. That didn't scare me off since it was certified and I'm getting all the warranties, including 3 year comprehensive for 2010 vehicles. I was happy with $22K plus taxes and inspection, dmv fees. Total cost $24K. Haven't seen any other listings come close. Should probably stop looking now that I've bought !! : )
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    OTD = Out the door, i.e. including taxes and fees.
  • shawnandtshawnandt Member Posts: 15
    Chriscic,

    We have an 05' 8 passenger and what you get currently is three seats that are not as wide as the 7 pax with Captains Chairs, but all three are comfortable.

    The 2011's change that dramatically. They basically just 'Add' a 'Sliver of a Seat between the Captains chairs, think 8 Pax Honda Odyssey. The new middle seat is very, very narrow and won't take a child seat.

    When we bought ours new in 05', we really wanted the Honda because at the time, the Odyssey had been out a while and the Toyota was more money for less equipment.

    The Clincher for us, was the true 8 passenger of the current Gen Sienna's Seating vs. the 'Sliver seat in the Odyssey. Now that the '11 Sienna's are out, they too have switched to the 'Tiny thin seat design'..

    I really want a new 11' SE as it looks great and handles really well, but with the new 8 Pax seat layout, I think we'll hold onto our very trouble-free 05'.

    JM2C :)
  • claude618claude618 Member Posts: 15
    The Dealer would go as low as 26k. I passed. Just didn't feel right. And I heard a 'run flat' tire horror story today. Needed 5 sets of tires in 6 years.... with rotating every 5 thousand miles.... Each set is $1200..... I think I'm officially pushed away from the Sienna after hearing that story.....
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    We have an 05' 8 passenger and what you get currently is three seats that are not as wide as the 7 pax with Captains Chairs, but all three are comfortable.

    Correct, but I will elaborate, if I may.

    What they did was set both outer seats farther apart. The entire floor pan is totally different. The center console from the 7 pass model will not fit in the 8 pass model, and none of the seats are interchangeable, either.

    That allowed for a 20" gap between the two seats, huge compared to the 7" or so that the Ody's mother-in-law chair gives. In the Ody you actually use the arm rests as a seat back when you sit in the middle, and all 3 are squeezed in.

    In the Sienna, the seats are 22", 20", and 22" wide, left to right. All of those are wider than the office chair I'm sitting in now, so I'd call them adult-sized for sure.

    In some videos I've seen on the 2011 Sienna, it looks like the mother-in-law seat is affixed to the driver's side chair, and a little wider than the Ody's, but nowhere near the 20" of the 2004-2009 middle seat. I'm guessing, but it appears to be about 10" wide.

    Definitely closer to the Ody's than today's Sienna, I'm afraid. :(

    That's a tough call, I really like the middle seat, we use it a LOT.
  • nobonobo Member Posts: 305
    Honda Odysey also has problem with the run flats. Just stay away from the run flats regardless of auto maker.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    My neighbor has a BMW and also has the same complaint.

    I think I'll take a flat every 10 years over run-flats.
  • carcarpcarcarp Member Posts: 2
    Like many of us here, we are almost locked in to buy a Sienna in the near future. However, the recent recall and stop of sales/production on stuck gas paddle really worries us. The fact that Sienna is "not affected" didn't help because they can discover the same problem later. See the posts here:
    Toyota Sienna Uncontrolled Acceleration

    We are looking into Odyssey at the mean time...

    Any thoughts?
  • momof5girlsmomof5girls Member Posts: 19
    I'm not giving up on Toyota..I think it was very responsible the actions they took. I'm not going to purchase my new Sienna till May..I'm sure we will know more by then.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Actually, if you think about it, if there really is any problem at all you know they will end up fixing it because they're under the microscope right now.

    The problem was rare even on affected models.

    I'm not worried at all. If they eventually recall my Sienna to re-flash the ECU to cut the throttle when the bakes are applied, I'll take it in, sure.
  • tsu670tsu670 Member Posts: 293
    Instructions on how to retrieve complaints on DOT website about sudden acceleration issue in Siennas in the "Toyota Sienna Uncontrolled Acceleration" forum (under "Toyota Related"):

    DOT Complaints re: Sienna Vehicle Speed Control

    Not until Toyota's announcement yesterday to suspend production on so many of its models because of sudden acceleration did I even consider it might be a problem with the Sienna. I got the idea to look there from another forum. After reading the complaints filed with the DOT I can't help but wonder why Sienna isn't included in the list.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The pedal design is different. Plus there's more clearance between the pedal and the floor.
  • tekkamakitekkamaki Member Posts: 23
    Time will tell if there are more Toyota models with issues. The NTSB is holding Toyota's feet to the fire now so if there are problems they should surface quickly.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yep, they are under the microscope, big time.

    If anything we have less to worry about - any real issues WILL have to be resolved, period.
  • stoyotastoyota Member Posts: 28
    Considering the situation....I think Toyota is going to offer VERY good deals in Feb 2010 to gain the trust back and keep the ball rolling at least on remaining models...I think it may be a good time to buy 2011- Sienna. What do you guys think?

    I am NOT worried about the quality …other than minor issues
  • hogan773hogan773 Member Posts: 255
    I'm salivating about this "leverage" as well as I am in the market for a 2011 Sienna - but realistically it probably won't be that great. However I am hoping that it keeps the dealers from getting "proud" of their new version and therefore seeing if they can get sticker for it......maybe all the negativity will mean they'll move right to invoice plus a small profit and hopefully enough people will be scared away from Toyota that the dealer will need to "work with me" as I will also act like I'm scared and concerned......

    I did read in the Wall St Journal something about Toyota will be introducing customer incentives for the cars that AREN'T in the recall in order to get people into dealers.....they did mention the Sienna among others.

    I also am comfortable in buying a Sienna cause I'll bet they'll fix the problem - but just to be sure I am going to practice (and get my wife to practice) an emergency drill to quickly stamp on the brakes while turning off the key or moving to neutral.
  • tsu670tsu670 Member Posts: 293
    Toyota has not released an official explanation for the problem yet, at least not as of this evening's news cycle.

    One possible explanation presented so far has to do with condensation collecting somewhere within the system that might be causing the accelerator to stick and be slow to return, but that doesn't explain why the accelerator would go all of the way down and make the vehicle take off. The NHTSA complaints on file for the Sienna sudden acceleration events do not say anything about the pedal getting stuck under the floor mat or on the carpet. The vehicles just plain took off by themselves.

    From the descriptions, it's almost as if something caused the cruise control to go into the "Resume and Then Some" mode. Could it be a computer glitch? Who knows?

    There are scores of prognosticators out there with different theories, I'm sure. And when Toyota releases their official explanation, there will most likely be numerous detractors and naysayers who will question it.

    But it isn't just Toyota. It is the company that is getting all of the press now, but I found instances of sudden acceleration complaints in the NHTSA database for the Chrysler minivan, as well. And I bet if I look at all of the various makes and models, I'll probably find lots more. I'm not going to, but I hope the NHTSA folks will.

    The reality of it all is that out of thousands and thousands of vehicles made by all of the manufacturers, the problem seems to be occurring in a very small sampling. Yes, I know what they will ask: Who wants to be driving the next statistic in that small sampling?

    I imagine Toyota engineers are working non-stop, 24 hours a day, trying to come up with the real cause and a real solution. One can only hope other manufactures are checking their vehicles, as well.
  • jasw65jasw65 Member Posts: 1
    I had an accident with my 2007 sienna xle limited with only 23000 miles this sunday my car was totaled by ins company. We are ok but car took a beating, i can not find a replacement I would also like to pre order sienna 2011 how do I do this? Hope you can help me out. I know exactly what I want.
    Thanks,
    Jackie
  • husker92husker92 Member Posts: 44
    In my region (KC), Toyota just announced new incentives for the 2010 Sienna. 0% for 36, 48, 60 months or 1000 cash back. This does not do much for me since I was only going to go with 36 months anyway, which was already at 0%. Still the best deal I could find was 25,500 for 2010 LE with EVP2, mats, lights, alloys. I am hoping they start to get desperate when no one comes into the dealership.

    The best 2011 LE V6 deal I have been offered is 28,974 (30,024 MSRP - includes dest and mats).
  • stoyotastoyota Member Posts: 28
    Wow that looks like a BEST deal on 2011 model…..(I guess close to invoice price). Are there any incentives offered for 2011 model?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I think we might see a reflash to adjust the throttle-by-wire system to kill the throttle if the brakes are applied (on all Toyotas, including the Sienna).

    This is a cheap way to avoid future liability.

    I agree about there being potential deals in the near future, too. I won't be in the market, which is a bummer. Take advantage, folks!

    If anyone wants to give away their used Toyotas because they're afraid, I'll take it off your hands for free! :D
  • husker92husker92 Member Posts: 44
    Actually, the invoice would be 27,500ish, so it is still about 1,500 over invoice. No incentives on 2011 yet.

    Edmunds has the invoice and MSRP pricing now. They do not list the floor mats as options, but my dealer is quoting 324 MSRP for them as an option.

    MSRP: 28900 + 324 mats + 800 dest = 30,024
    Invoice: 26,444 + 300 mats (est) + 800 dest = 27,544
    Quote from 2 dealers: 28,974

    I am still hoping for a "can't pass up" deal on a 2010 though.
  • tsu670tsu670 Member Posts: 293
    I wonder if our hosts on this board would appreciate it if we moved our discussion regarding Toyota Sienna uncontrolled acceleration issue to the forum and discussion that was already created just for this topic:

    Forum- Toyota Related...... Discussion- Toyota Sienna Uncontrolled Acceleration

    Then we can get back on track to "Buying Experiences and Prices Paid" here.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Good idea. Thanks. :shades:
  • watkinstwatkinst Member Posts: 119
    My dad just dumped their sienna they loved it but after dealing with runflat issues they sold it. They pack the three kids in a SUV now which has a proper spare tire and get this good tires that don't wear out at 20,000 miles and cost $1000 to replace. Don't get me started on when they got stranded when the run flat failed and no replacement could be found for over 24hrs.

    The Runflat tire was a marketing ploy that only helped Automakers cheap out on the cost of engineering a proper spare tire storage location. And by going runflat they placed a very large running cost on the operator. Smart move on the Auto makers side increase your profit margins and push the cost of improper tire application onto the operator.

    Run flats are only a good tire for vehicles that are not likely to travel long distances and run the risk of having a massive tire failure at high speeds resulting in an accident etc. A two seater sports car comes to mind as the type of application where a run flat would be appropriate.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    marketing ploy that only helped Automakers cheap out on the cost of engineering a proper spare tire storage location

    That doesn't make sense...

    Think about it - my Sienna does have a spare. So they did have the cost of engineering a spare tire location - AND the expensive of taking that out.

    It's even worse than what you were saying.
  • hitchens97hitchens97 Member Posts: 62
    Let's keep the numbers coming on quotes - we're all in this together.

    So far I think someone said the Costco program was +700 over invoice. This is +1500. Obviously going to depend by region - I'm guessing in big metro areas (like the bay area) where there's huge number of dealers nearby it's going to be closer to +500 over invoice, and in smaller regions perhaps +1500.

    I'm hoping for an XLE with the nav package (but not ent) for +500. If I get that deal, I think I will pull the trigger, though want to test drive first!
  • hogan773hogan773 Member Posts: 255
    One can always just call or email around to all the dealers.....yes let's get those quotes going and if I get any I'll do the same.

    So anyway, I started doing a side-by-side of the 2011 XLE with the 2010 and it looks like the price has risen by about 2,000 for the similar features (I realize its not exactly apples-to-apples, but just sayin....)

    I like how they keep throwing out that the "base price is actually lower" but sort of gloss over the fact that that is for a 4 cyl vs last year's 6 cyl

    One other question - what is with the 2 inches less legroom in the 2011 seats vs 2010, when cargo room is actually a bit higher. Are the seats a little larger/plusher, or is there a measurement difference?
  • hitchens97hitchens97 Member Posts: 62
    Another interesting options piece - no entertainment package is available for the LE as an option if you go through the Edmunds TMV process. Seems strange they would have left that out as an option. I expect the LE is going to be the most popular model.
  • hogan773hogan773 Member Posts: 255
    Very surprised that they wouldn't sell you a $2000 DVD even in an LE, although maybe they think it will spur people to only consider the XLE or Limited. Yeah I'm struggling a bit between LE and XLE - I want to see both. The wife thinks leather cause its easier to clean, although I'd say that for $2800 difference one can afford lots of good upholstery cleaning spray! But the heated seats are something I use quite often in my Honda Pilot. I'm 50/50 on the moonroof. I must say that the current "wood" trim in the 2010s and prior is so FUGLY in my opinion (no offense to anyone that has it) - its way too light and fake-looking. The pics of the 2011 make it look darker so maybe it will be acceptable.....too bad its not an option to NOT get it though. I've never understood the whole "wood equals luxury" in cars.....
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