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Until proven otherwise, I'm going with the Edmunds as the accurate invoice px.
I agree, in fact we got a Sienna price about $200 lower from 355 DARCARS Toyota and we bought ours there.
However, for other purchases Fitz' price was the lowest, and I'd give them the edge overall for the buying experience (less pressure on add-ons like pre-paid service and extended warranty).
It's a solid reference of about how low you can go.
The recent gas pedal scare did not scare me, afterall, every manufacturer is due to screw up once in a while. I just figured I might be able to use that to save a couple of hundred bucks. Now, with the Prius breaks, I am starting to have my doubts about Toyota (I have never owned one, but my mom has been generally satisfied with her 99 Camry).
Anyone else having second thoughts about the Sienna after the Prius brake problems?
Is it a good price, if I get it at invoice $27444 (26444 + 800) + Tax+ Tag ?
For now, fitzmall prices are actually higher for 2010 models than they were for 06s and 07s when I was shopping.
So I don't see any price drop, at least not yet. Keep in mind this is one of the few Toyotas a dealer can still sell.
Anyone else having second thoughts about the Sienna after the Prius brake problems?
Nope, no car is perfect, if you spend a lot time searching on the internet you may scare yourself out of buying any car at all! For instance:
http://www.gmproblems.com/brakes.htm
More than half of Olds Aleros had brake problems? I bet the % of Priuses affected are 1/10th as many, if that.
Sounds like a fair price to me. You can send me my commission later for being a buyer's agent
Only thing to consider is -- is there a dealer incentive that just came out that we aren't aware of.....ie Toyota corporate is giving dealers an extra [XXX] for any car sold, effectively lowering their cost. Toyota corporate is getting royally pflucked right now so who knows what they're being forced to do to keep dealers from starving to death.
I am pleasantly surprised that your guy moved so much and so quickly. Gives me hope for myself whenever I get into doing the negotiation.......
Nice work, my friend - let us know how you proceed. And everyone else will hopefully read this and man-up so they're aren't a bunch of people paying Sticker or Sticker-plus for these things.....the fewer desperate buyers, the better for everyone!
In fact, the last 3 cars I've negotiated have all been remote. The very last one, they drove the car to me, I did a quick test drive, they had all the paper work, and I did it all at home - never left the dealer. Best experience ever.
I called couple of dealer for the quote and asked for any incentives...they said NONE....not sure if they have any thing new today.
Knowledge is power!
The team at Charles Maund Toyota would like to notify all current Toyota, Lexus, or Scion owners that there is now a $1,000 Owner Loyalty Rebate.
Below are the details.
In addition, Toyota incentives have also been updated to rebates up to $3,000 and rates as low as 0% on select models. Be sure to take advantage of these savings today.
We look forward to doing business with you,
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www.charlesmaundtoyota.com
(512) 458-2222
Customers must currently own or lease a Toyota / Scion / Lexus Car, Truck, or SUV to qualify for this offer. Trade-in is not required.
Includes: Yaris, Prius, Corolla, Matrix, Camry, Avalon, Venza, Land Cruiser, Rav4, 4Runner, FJ Cruiser, Sequoia, Highlander Gas Base & LE, Highlander Hybrid, Sienna, Tacoma, and Tundra.
Excludes: Scion & Highlander SE
Compatability: Owner Loyalty is compatible with all other current TMS/GST incentive offers.
Owner Loyalty Rebate expires 3/1/10.
Does this sound right? What is the going rate for these cars right now?
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Since I'm too lazy to read back over all the prior posts in detail, if someone wants the CR invoice price let me know for what - XLE, LE, what options and I'll post it.
example: 2001 LE FWD 26,444 + 800 dest chg = 27,244 invoice
MRSP = 29,700
Ttl Dealer Invoice = 27,244
Dealer holdback = (578)
CR "Bottom-line" price = 26,666
So looks basically the same. The destination charge isn't called out on CR, but I'm assuming it's already in there (and I vaguely recall reading this somewhere on the site, but not 100% sure).
Excellent description of the whole holdback thing. Basically unlikely you can negotiate into their holdback, but gives you better perspective on what a "fair" profit to the dealer above invoice is (since they are also earning the holdback effectively)
That seems consistent with the linked to article... the only thing I'm not sure about in the article is that it implies that the salesman would get no commission selling at invoice. I've had salesmen agree to invoice price in the past on new models and I don't think they'd have done that if they were making zippo.
I also drove a Odyssey 2011 aprox. 3 weeks ago as well (model 2010) - I believe Sienna has less wheel / wind noise then Ody, but not too much...
Secondly my disappointment was the level of noise from the engine (talking about toyota), yet when cruising no problem, only when stepping on accelerator. Good breaking response.
More comfortable seat (first & second row) then prior 2004-2010 model... The third row is on contrary very disappointing - simply as it's not from Sienna, but ugly and uncomfortably car... so beware.. the third row as comfort is sucks, sorry.
Now; very good good news! about Audio system... (or for many could be bad) - initially I was very much for 10 speakers JBL.. but guess what... I was lucky enough they had 2 XLE Siennas (2011) with both systems: non-JBL (no GPS), and GPS/wth 10 speakers JBL.. You woud expect premium on 10 speakrs... totally totally weeeeeaaaaaaaaaaak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! comparing to the 6 speaker nonJBL radio.. I have a good ear, go check yoursel... The base is like day and night, and same with Treble... what a reliveve!!! do you know why??? because if you obsessed with superior sound, you may get it waaaaaaaay cheaper... If you don't like to upgrade your GPS each eary for 200 bugs, another relieve.. Not to mentioned that GPS as it is positioned, in the middle of the dash - drivers, beware, it's good location to get into accident!!! - as opposed to front whindshield mounts .. not to mention that there is huge glare so it's a) not easily visible (glare from the right hand side window in the daylight!!), and b) it's too far away anyway to be price for viewing it...
so for us, it's very encouraging news that I can get XLE for 39K or 36K as oppose to 44K limited!!!!!
(and have a better sound system... simply in nonJBL is 'juice'.. and 'crystal'.. as to ... bla bla bla.. I believe Toyota slickly put all 'toys' into touch screen system radio yet cheap skating on performance of radio.. what a joke.. THANK YOU TOYOTA!!! )
So to wrap things up:
- I'd rather have 1 moonroof (keep in mind, for 8-10 grands less)
- no Myabach second row seats
- no electrically folded 3rd row (asking for problems;... electrically == pronned for problems)
- no HID... this one is a pain... this is so stupid they do not offer HID as option, but happily putting it on package that in 90% is so children like toys...
- sadly maybe no sonar cruis control (for accident it's minus not to have.. for cruising .. yeah.. don't care , am not 88 years old)
thank you
Here is what he told me for a 2011 Sienna FWD Limited with CX (convenience pkg):
The invoice you find online is not the dealer invoice, dealer invoice also includes TDA (Toyota Dealer Advertising) cost. Dealer invoice on the one I quoted you is $37,226. The price I quoted you is $39,190, that's $1964 over invoice, that's very fair for an brand new model.
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I don't know about that being a "fair" price... so trying to go lower. Edmunds quotes $36,548 for invoice... what would be a good price to negotiate for based on others experience?
Anyone in the SF Bay Area have any luck with Toyota dealers?
2 won't go below MSRP, 1 said $50 below MSRP (what!?), and this one was generous with the $1k discount... but I am not going to fall for it.
I've been trying around LA and SD area with few dealers willing to go below msrp, but if you go out a bit you get better around 2k-2.5k for certain Limited models.
Many of these dealers are willing to deliver the car to you too.
I'm waiting to hear from Melody (San Bruno), Oakland, and Dublin... and will contact a few more this weekend.
Good luck shopping... let us know how things go for you.
With the recalls and factory shutdowns, I have no idea when these cars are coming off the line and how the allocation is going to work.
My wife wants a black one and 4 dealers said there was only 1 allocated in the region (whatever that means), so I know someone is lying since all of them said they can get it for me. :-)
In my area, the current incentive is 0% for 36, 48 or 60 months or $1000 cash back. I see where some areas are also offereing a $1000 owner loyalty rebate on top of 0% for 36 months. Wish I could get that deal, I would probably buy.
Thanks
Also, on fitzmall the Sienna prices for 2010s are still higher than what I paid in 2007. Even in 2009 they were lower.
overhead display,
dual power sliding doors,
alloy wheels,
homelink transceiver,
carpet floor mats,
and cargo net.
This includes the title, tax and all - on road price.
He said MSRP is $28100 -- so he is giving $100 less than invoice price.
Is this a better price? Is it good to go with 2010 or 2011 ?
The van is nice, love the back windshield wiper tucked under the rear spoiler. I still do not understand the MAST ANTENNA though, sales guy said better reception, I say what car in this day still uses mast. On the inside, the carpet was cocoa brown a nice touch with the bisque interior and will save from getting dirty.
The 5 mile test loop shared a nice ride. Van is quiet, rides well. The Information display in the center upper dash requires the utmost perfect seating position to be seen and with all there is to display its too darn small, the Nav will be nice.
The brakes were as I read from professional reviews mushy.
Hooked up the iPod to the USB.. cool.. BUT the radio buttons are not logical for easy use of the USB interface, infact in this instance without the Nav, I prefer the MP3 jack.. I can navigate my iPod faster (but that is my nitpick).
Biggest drawbacks- Sienna texture on dash is cheap plastic, similar to Venza BUT no padding. The third row seat folding operation is a real knee breaker, impossible to reach the lever to fold up for someone who is short, the prev gen Sienna and Honda Ody still are better.
The Ody still TRUMPS in cubby storage space!
There are no deals, it's MSRP ! MSRP ! At least for now.
Toyota has finally simplified its option packages (mats are still an option) BUT Toyota MUST compete with Honda Ody on a much broader scale.. with aggressive lease programs. My dealer guys laughed in agreement of me sharing this with them, as many know Odys are all over, The Sienna would be a fine choice.
If they choose to be less aggressive the Ody even in 3 yr old design is still the better choice for now
That oversized grille and wheels hopefully do not make it in to production.
I see the function in the lightning bolt windows (3rd row has a lower beltline) but it didn't come out pretty. Function over form is OK with me, though.
They still didnt' try to hide the sliding door track seam. :sick:
The MPG sounds great but other than that I prefer the 2011 Sienna in every way. Let's see what the production Ody ends up looking like.
I've not been able to find dealer invoice costs for 2011 Sienna yet, but based on research for past Toyota purchases (including a 2005 Sienna), MSRP has been 10% above dealer costs. I don't haggle. I usually give them 5% above cost and be prepare to walk away. There's plenty of other dealerships around.
If you research dealer invoice price for other Toyota models, you'll also find the difference between dealer cost and MSRP is still 10%. Based on that, I'd assume his cost for the car you're looking at is $25,550. At 5% profit, I wouldn't pay more than $26827.50.
I could be wrong, but you can always ask to see the dealer's costs and share it with the rest of us.