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It makes sense they bring the TSX there because Europeans like smaller cars.
That car would be a formidable alternative to the TL at around $7k cheaper or so. I love the TL, but the idea of similar performance for a lot less money is appealing.
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Personally, If the Accord 6 cyl sedan came with a stick, I might have one instead of my TL.
The specs on the 2006 Accord are back on the hondapreview.com site and show, DRL a 6-speed manual sedan, Vehicle Stability Control and heated mirrors. The gap is closing! 244horsepower up from 240. LED taillights are rumored but not confirmed.
However, torque factors in, too, and the TL has more torque. So greater torque plus greater HP probably multiplies the difference between the cars. 9ADMISSION: YES, I'M A TAX ATTY, BUT I LET THE ACCOUNTANTS HANDLE THE MATH!!!)
Is the measurement capable of capturing the performance of the BMW330 which comes in at 3450lbs at 255hp....13.5? Is the position taken that the Accord will wipe up the BMW330?
There are mutiple variables driving performance.
Now...is the next argument that will be floated "is the bmw worth the extra money for performance and style?"
cruis'n in 6th :shades: ,
MidCow
P.S.- Participated in the Susan G. Koman Utlimate Drive last weekend and drove 530, 330 ad Z4 3.0; they only had 6-speed automatics, but in SD (sport drive) the automatics are one of the best I have driven!
Exactly the point.... it isn't all about HP...but handling, braking, etc.
Don't get me wrong...the Accord is a fine car. But I say that the single isolated metric proposed doesn't tell the whole story.
I own an Accord V6 that I had shipped here from the states and I seriously considered the TL but, I'm active duty AF, enlisted, and can't afford a 30k plus automobile. I'll just enjoy what I feel like I got for a steal. For those of you other Accord owners that can't see the difference... Its like the difference between Kobe Beef and the junk at the supermarket... If you can't tell then it's not worth it....... for you.
I wish I had memory seats though!!!
Chris
I wouldn't go as far as to say that an Accord is mystery meat :P Accords are fine.
But really folks...the point is don't just judge a car by some single esoteric measurement of weight to hp. Everyone has an opinion of which car is better and that is fine and respectable.
What everyone should agree is that they are both fine cars. And that they are the best value compared to their natural peers (TL compared to G35 / BMW3 and the Accord to Camry / Mazda6). Never bad to be at the top of your respective vehicle class.
TL = 'Kobe Beef'. That is a good one. Have to remember that one.
***Mooselook***
....look forward to 6M Coupe feedback......understand highway MPG of 32 -34 is not unreasonable.
..with that in mind, a trip to AZ next month should continue the rapture..............
best, ez......
I have the Brembos, and I do think the car has fantastic brakes, but I can't tell you if it's b/c of the brake brand name, or their size or whatever. Only thing I can suggest is you try the TL.
Here's another option: you can buy the Accord (which is a great buy, BTW - I'd definitely get the nav system - it's fantastic!!!), replace the brakes w/ Brembos and hold onto the originals to put back if your brakes wear out right before it's time to sell your car.
I have an '04 6MT TL - since the cars are similar, feel free to ask any other q.s here and I'll try my best to answer them.
Please ans this q about the Accord (I assume you're looking at the 6 cyl): can you now get a 6 cyl w/ 4 doors and 6MT?
The 6 speed TL has Brembo brakes,and I will drive nothing else. The TL stops in outstanding manner. When the traffic ahead decides to stop and you need to stop fast, Brembo brakes are preferred. Yes, there is brake dust accumulation on TL front alloys. So, I wash them more. No bid deal. Good luck with your decision.
Yes, the 6MT Accord is now available with 4 doors. Both it and the TL seem like great cars. I would prefer the TL because of the styling,handling and the extra toys, but my wife wants a car that she can get into and out of easily. I am guessing that the TL may be a little lower-slung than the Accord. Soon I will take her around and let her try them both out.
I don't see anyone discussing the announced iPod compatibility. IIRC, both Honda and Acura will be offering it in vehicles that hit the showrooms in December. That sounds way cool to me. May make the 6-CD changer irrelevant.
IMO, the only thing impeding egress from the TL is the super-springy doors.
First, let me explain my criteria. I am in my 50s with no interest in gunning a car from a stoplight. I want power and acceleration for the rare occasions when I need it to merge onto a highway, to pass on a 2-lane road (not a common event for me) or for other unusual events. Normally I keep a light foot on the gas pedal. I do however like a tight, responsive right, and I like MT because I feel more involved in the driving experience, and less like a piece of cargo.
The Honda is a beautiful car inside and out. I actually prefer the exterior styling of the Accord to the TL, if only by a little bit. And the Honda is more practical. The trunk is cavernous, the rear seats fold forward, etc. And the engine is powerful enough. The car can really zip.
But it feels like a family sedan. Imagine a well-appointed well-designed Buick with a 6MT. Fun to drive, but not really there as a driver's car. If I were starting a family and needed the versatility of the Accord, but wanted to have the fun of MT, I would go for it.
The Accord made me appreciate the TL all the more. From the more solid feel of the doors to the tighter road feel, the experience of the TL is quite different from the Accord. Obviously, the TL has a bit more power, but that's not half the difference. The interior is more luxurious, but the most important difference is the feel for the road. Much more precise. At least that was my impression.
I figure the price difference to be about $5k. Is it worth it? That's a personal choice. I will go for the TL, thanks.
I would get another TL if they were going to offer better gas mileage - better sound insulation and a voice activated GPS that offered street name recognition - if they don't work on the gas mileage, I'll just get an accord hybrid.
It would really be stupid to put an advanced system in the Accord and not in the TL. Any comments? It is true, why? It makes no sense.
Unless Honda's taking a year to work out possible Nav Sys bugs on Accord owners lest they further sully the Acura TL's slightly tarnished image... (A vocal group of Acura TL owners are still manning the battlements over those recalled trannies.)
I go to http://www.edmunds.com/ I select new cars - put in my zip, select honda - 06 accord. I don't see the hybrid listed unless it is one of the models there without a hybrid designation.
I understand what you are saying about not finding them with the drop-down choices. You might want to go to the Help link on the left side of the page, then the Contact Us tab, and make a suggestion on that order.
Actually, Honda "tested" the 4th-gen navi on 2005 RL/MDX/Odyssey owners first. I think it passed.
It appears that Honda is waiting for the FMC or MMC of each vehicle to introduce the new navi. Unfortunately the TL is last on the list (2007 MMC). So if you're considering the 06 TL, keep this in mind before you make your final decision. Also keep in mind that Honda could "upgrade" the navi during the middle of the 06 model year. For example, Toyota upgraded the V6 on the Camry during the middle of the 2003 model year. You may be better off waiting for the 07 TL.