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Kirk
We'd be able to have more specific topics relating to the overall ownership experience.
Check ou the section by clicking "Town Hall" then "Owners Clubs" .... the URL is too long to post.
Art
An owners club would probably be worth trying. I'll check it out.
Finally, I drove the Bravada and Envoy before buying the Envoy. I think the Envoy drives just as well.
Make: GMC
Model: ENVOY
Manufactured From: OCT 2000 To: MAR 2001
Year of Recall: '01
Type of Report: Vehicle
Summary:
Vehicle Description: Certain sport utility vehicles fail to comply with requirements of FMVSS No. 201, "Occupant Protection in Interior Impacts." These vehicles have a console cover/armrest lid latch that could release at less than the 10g vertical load requirement of the standard.
In the event of a crash, the console cover could open and the cover or items stored under it could injure an occupant.
GM has not yet provided a remedy for this campaign. GM has not yet provided NHTSA with an owner notification schedule. Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact GMC at 1-800-462-8782. Also contact the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's Auto Safety Hotline at 1-888-DASH-2-DOT (1-888-327-4236).
I have noticed that the center console lid is not very tight
After reading the posts here for months i completely(almost)checked out my vehicle when I picked it up. Fit and finish were great with none of the problems I have seen mentioned. However, I have noticed a lot of wind noise coming from the sunroof when the sunroof is closed. Does anyone else have this problem. The sun shade is very heavy so it drowns out most of the noise when it is closed, but then i can't let the light in. My wifes car is a VW Passat with a quiet sunroof, so I know there shouldn't be much noise.
I see a potential problem with the top windshield seal/moulding. Mine is loose in the channel it fits in,the otherday after I washed it and drove down the road at 70/75 mph to blow the water off,I heard this loud noise like someone throwing large rocks hitting the back of the car.I was the only car around,so figured something had broke. I stopped,checked under and all around,nothing. Looked up at the windshield and the right half of the seal had blew out and was beating the top of the car which is very thin gauge metal. No damage,but sounded real bad. I have checked other Envoys/TB's,and they all seem to be the same way. The rubber seal can be secured with silocone sealer, but a new redesigned rubber seal would be a better fix. I will wait a few weeks and see if a TSB comes out on a fix. Also, the plastic cap on top of the rear hatch glass needs a TSB issued. The bottom edge is secured to the glass with a strip of moulding tape. I have seen several that has come loose just below the 3d brake light. I replaced the tape on mine,so far it's holding.
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Ron
And the 2001's have almost nothing in common with the 2002's.
jim f
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2001/chevrolet/blazer/trailblazer4wd4drsuvwonstar43l6cyl4a/prices.html
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Tom
Tom
If you determine that you do indeed have a leak, you can find it very easily. Turn the blower to high-fresh air. Mix some dish soap and water, squirt some on the seal on the outside and watch for bubbles.
Now you can show the service people exactly where the leak is.
jim f
Just teasing, I am only trying to complement you on your ingenuity on the air leak "finding" technique and the ability to point out to the Tech. Nice going....
Kirk
Do not...I repeat...do not wait until after you get the truck to get this detail priced. Get a firm commitment on an acceptable price to you for the painted trim piece before you sign on the dotted line. It is the last time you will have the dealer's attention. Adding the trim piece after the sale will just be a way for the dealer to recoup some profit he didn't make on the truck!
When you have the dealer to his bottom line price, just casually say you will buy if he throws in the trim piece. What's the worst thing that can happen? He might say no, but I bet he will at least sell it cheaply at that point.
By the way, I need to share my running boards experience with you guys/gals. It is hysterical! I'll do that next week, which is when the story should be complete.
Kunkel: As for the painted bar on the TB LT grill, I'll bet a good body shop could sand that piece from your LT, prime it and paint it for less than the cost of ordering the part and painting it. Should be easy.
Some minor problems I've had are rear passenger door which is a little out of alignment and doesn't close easily, a wire I believe above the eyeglass holder (I have no sunroof) that knocks around against the roof and a slight alignment problem (Pulls to left and could be related to recall fix). I have also confirmed that the center console latch is useless. I guess I'll wait for the recall on that.
Notwithstanding the above, it drives beautifully and my wife who is the principal driver loves it.
You might want to keep an eye on your oil. I told my husband your theory and he said that he checked to fluid levels when we got it. It definately used a quart of oil. I haven't taken it in for it's first oil change but I plan to do it this week. I have a few other things I need corrected also...console lid is crooked, seat belt locks up and won't release, steering wheel is crooked since they fixed the recall problem, etc. Just little stuff but I really worry about the oil. I only know one other person with a 2002 Bravada and they were a quart low after 2000 miles. Worth keeping an eye one.
Anyone else get a check today form Oldsmobile? Pleasant surprise!
jim f
Delivered: May 14
Drove Home: May 19
SLT 4WD- Pewter, running boards, Sunroof, the only option not taken was the 4.10 rear-end. I spend between 10-12 hours per week driving and in the time that I have had my Envoy, I wish I could drive even more. So far I have not had any of the problems that people talk about. People claim that the brakes feel mushy, if you have never driven a car with 4 wheel disc brakes then I could see your point. As for the steering, I have driven a Yukon and my last car was a 99 Grand Prix so the steering feels like a combination of the two. I also do not believe in the old idea that you should not buy a vehicle the first year it was built.... If everyone did that, every vehicle on the road today would only be a concept vehicle.
Your comment on the brakes is interesting. This is my first 4-wheel disc vehicle, and I also thought the brakes felt "mushy" at first. It may be my imagination, but they seemed to get a tighter feel over time as if they required a certain amount of break-in time. Maybe I just got used to them, but they certainly don't feel as mushy now as when I first got the truck.
Also, what is a TSB and how can I find the info on it for the Envoy sunroof.
Thanks all.
I must admit that the oil usage bothers me, but at 600 mile I'm ok and now know to check often. Hopefully the cause is not too serious.
To focus on the positive, these are great looking SUV's, I have already been told so by complete strangers. The inline 6 is powerful and quiet. They are just the right size, not too big, not too small. My list could go on an on. I have and will continue to recommend these SUV's to others.
-a larger gas tank. Explorer has a 22 gallon, I wish my Envoy did, that's almost another 100 miles between fill ups.The initial RX300 had a small tank too, but Lexus eventually fit a bigger one in.
-better cd holder. This is really minor, but annoys me. If they just changed the size of the console slightly, cd's would fit in so you could read the labels instead of looking at plastic edges.
-ugly geometric interior trim on Envoy SLE. I wish it was just plain black. I plan on replacing it as soon as something is available.
-2 last biggies, 5 speed automatic transmission and independent rear suspension.
TSB = Technical Service Bulletin. The Automakers issue TSBs to their dealers when there is a widespread problem, or maybe a change in repair procedure. You can use the link below to search for bulletins for a particular vehicle, but the text of the TSBs on the NHTSA site is abbreviated, and sometimes it is hard to understand what they mean. Your service dept should be aware if there is a bulletin on your problem, but it seems that is not always the case. Forums like this are good about passing TSB info on diffrent problems, making those who read it aware of the bulletins, and allowing them to mention a TSB (and give them the number if you find one) to their service people.
http://www.autopedia.com/html/NHTSAtsb.html
BTW: there is a bulletin on the Envoy sunroof, but it sounds like a service procedure, not a problem...try the search and read for yourself.
jim f