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Lose the glasses.
The brake booster miraculously appeared on Monday, and they fixed the car today. It's great to have the LS back. I hope everyone else who had that part on national backorder was similarly well treated by their dealer...
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Scott
LLSOC Member
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011227/bs/ford_headlamps_1.html
I'm enjoying driving my V6 Getrag LS even more now that premium gas has dropped to $1.42/gal here lately. From $2.20/gal only 2 months ago. How does that work anyway?
It's been a great Xmas here, what with our new 2 month old daughter to enjoy. Even though I got laid off on the winter solstice, or perhaps because of it, I'm havin a great time. I have lots more time to drive too!
I'll be glad to see 2001 fade into history. I got laid off on the vernal equinox this year as well. Perhaps I should think about a career in astrology? But laid off twice in one year? A personal best to be sure. To paraphrase a C&W tune: "Mama don't let your babies grow up to be High-techies."
I'm thinking real hard about driving down to LS Mania 3. How's the sign up sheet looking, Brian? Will they let an all-stock V6 5Speed on the track or do I have to buy a K&N before I leave?
ezair, stanny, johnnylinc - are you guys going?
Does anyone wanna share a room with a poor laid off Lincoln driver?
Later
George
You bet I'll be there! I will, however, have to drive home Friday night and back up on Saturday
I hope to see you there and have "fun" job hunting.
Mike
LLSOC Member
Sorry to hear about you getting laid-off. Hope you get many job offers in the new year!
We have about 10 so far who have said that as soon as I get the reservation form online that they intend to go. I'm hoping that the western states contingents plan on making a big showing since quite a few of them couldn't make Wixom.
Lincoln's HQ can comfortably accomodate 100 of us without any problems. The only limitations we may have will be with the autocross on Saturday. There we can probably get away with 30 cars at the most since this is a public event.
Brian
1. How much above or below invoice should I expect to pay for a new 2002?
2. How many days inventory is out there on the LS's? Where can I find this type of number on the web?
3. How much better gas mileage does the V6 get compared to the V8 (I'm looking at an automatic in both)? What type of mileage should I expect for 90% highway driving at approx. 70mph?
4. I'm interested in a quiet smooth ride? Does the sport suspension help or hurt given my requirement?
5. Do I have to burn premium? If I don't, what are the consequences?
Thanks in advance for any and all responses!
2. Sorry, have no idea on how many days inventory.
3. EPA figures dont show a huge difference in mileage between the LS V^ and V8, bu to answer your question, driving about 70mph on the highway in a V6 will get you fairly close to 28-30mpg, from my experience. My number is based on a well-broken in LSV6 Sport/Auto, properly inflated tires, just me in the car, no luggage, no A/C running, and none of that reformulated fuel.
4. I suggest you test drive a sport and a non-sport prior to committing. Make your decision based upon YOUR feel.
5. Yes. If you dont, expect a reduction in engine performance as the computer adjusts for the lower octane being fed to the engine.
I believe that the auto lamps will allow your headlights to stay lit for up to 3 minutes and then they will go out automatically.
If the headlights are found in the "ON" position, then the "Battery Saver" function turned them off. I've had my interior lights, etc go off in my Lincolns (LS included) even if just the hood was up for quite a while - of course that is in the Continental, which HAS a hood light!
Are you sure you downloaded 40 MB in 7 seconds?
The typical over-all mileage on a 5000 mile trip, for example, is about 24 MPG. That includes a fair amount of batting about in various cities we are visiting along the way.
I have witnessed 22.5 MPG during long 100 MPH cruises in Nevada and eastern Colorado. This car turns about 3100 RPM at 100 MPH.
The best mileage I have witnessed is 28.2 MPG at a stead 60 MPH for about 60 miles over totally FLAT road with no stops or speed variations.
Driving around town in the Phoenix area, we typically get 16-17 MPG. The WORST mileage I've seen is in stop & go bumper-to-bumper traffic at about 14.5 MPG.
I LOVE the Sport suspension! It is not at all harsh, and it provides an extremely well-controlled ride over practically every kind of road surface. On some types of very rough road surfaces we do experince noticeable tire noise, but overall, this car is EXTREMELY quiet. We notice this when visiting with rear-seat passengers at living-room voice levels.
I always use 91 octane or more, if available. If I have a choice between 91 and 93, I'll still pick 91. That is what is specified. Sometimes, in high altitude places, the highest octane available is 89 or 90. That works fine up there, but at lower altitudes it is best to keep above 90, in my opinion. The LS engine has knock detection, and will retard the timing to eliminate knock if it is detected. This will reduce power and mileage somewhat. If you use 87 octane gas in this engine, you probably won't hear it pinging because it will compensate, but I don't think this is wise.
I thought Lexus sold vehicles that never had any problems?
http://www.safetyalerts.com/currentrecalls.htm
For an example, You buy a LS, keep it for 50,000 miles and average 22.5 MPG, which means you will use 2,222 gallons. The other choice, lets say is a 3.2TL which you would also keep for 50,000 miles and average 25.0 MPG for the life of the car thus consuming 2,000 gallons. That means the LS uses 222 more gallons. Assuming an average price of $1.50 a gallon over the life of the LS, the LS would cost $333 more to fuel which will represent less than 0.8% of the total cost of ownership. Thinking about it this way, it sure doesn't seem like gas mileage is that much of a factor in deciding whether to buy a LS or not.
After trying to get out of the car and closing the door, it refused to latch and made a loud bang sound. At first i thought that it was the seatbelt getting stuck, but upon further investigation it turned out the latch lever was down. The only solution was to use a screwdriver and manually flip the lever back up. As soon as i open the door again the lever fell in its locked position again. Looks like i need to replace the latch assembly.
The dealer refuses to order the part first. They need to see the door first and then order the part. This seems silly considering one day will be wasted for them to look at it, then another couple to order the part and then one more to install it.
Yet when my lens cover on the drivers door fell off and they couldn't re-attach it, their solution was to replace the whole door skin. Now this isn't a problem now b/c of warranty, but could you imagine how much that repair would be something like $900 to fix a $2 part.
Just was wondering if anyone else has had a problem with the door striker, i know the window regulator is common, so far hasn't applied to me.
Thanks
I described this type of situation a while back... Mine wouldn't close and when I finally did get it to close, I also hit the child safety lock and then thought that I wouldn't be able to open it at all, because the inside lever was "stuck." When I got to work, I was able to open the door and when I did open it, I also heard metal dropping the the bottom, inside of the door. It may only have one stricker, but it works and I haven't looked at it closely enough.
That was about the same time that both of the rear windows had failed within a week - so I didn't care!
It shuts and opens fine - so I'll wait until the rear windows fail this spring and have them look at it.
Please let me know if you get your problem resolved.
First, there is no doubt nothing but a BMW will get an acceptable review from the Edmonds editorial staff. I wonder how many BMW's are given to Edmonds editorial staff free of charge. (Anyone writing for Edmonds obviously could not afford one of his own).
Second, how can you review cars for a living and only like one brand?
Third, the long-term review was total crap and if they had their vehicle serviced by someone, they had established a relationship with rather than every Tom, Dick, and Harry in So California maybe someone would have the transmission TSB done before their first year of ownership. Especially when I wrote them a note that the transmission had a PCM flash available as many other posters had told them at Mania I the same thing.
Forth, I read the reviewers response to Brian's letter to the editor and now can see why they write the reviews they do. What an arrogant xxxxx!!!
Fifth, of the thousands of posts made in this forum, the editors managed to find a
misappropriated share of owners that have had problems to post to the long term test including Giowa.
The car I read about in Edmond's test, in my humble opinion is not the car I drive.
I used to own and drive a BMW and never have seen the blatant obvious bias of their writers. I enjoy the Edmonds Town hall interaction but will never trust anything the Editorial writers have to say about any car including BMW’s. I am now a proud owner of a 2001 LS V8 and would put it up against a BMW any day of the week.
Scott Clark
LLSOC Charter Member
PS-I wonder if their tester’s road the brakes in their long term BMW and then wrote it up as a vehicle flaw.
I am looking to lease in the next 30 days and was curious what a lease would go for with the heated seats added.
Pat
Host
Sedans Message Board
On the one hand "The LS not only moves on the road like a snake on sandpaper, it transmits road feel directly to the driver through the wheel and the comfortable leather chair," Road Test Editor Neil Dunlop wrote. and "Great suspension tuning," said another editor. "Compliant on the road, but a maniac on the twisties." Then you read "The LS feels solid in normal maneuvering and never floats like a Town Car, but hit a bump running hard through a turn, and the chassis gets upset fairly easily. This is probably a result of Lincoln's desire to comfort its more loyal customers who might find a German-tight suspension a little unnerving, but if they ever really want to compete with the big boys, they need to forget about past designs." I guess they forgot the DEW98 IS NOT a past design.
It sure looks like Edmunds has some confused drivers/writers. They sound like that 300M guy that claims to have spanked a Mustang GT! And power loss above 6000 ft. Prior to my intake/exhaust mods, my 6 didn't have any noticeable loss at that low of an altitude! With the Borla and modified airbox (then, essentially the same as the '02) my 6 did very well above 10000 feet! Yea there was some loss (even pilots are REQUIRED to use O2 above 10k), but that is NORMAL, even for the vaunted BMW's.
And as to down time. They complained about 37 days out of service. Now I'm no math major, but just TWO issues accounted for 36 of those 37 days. Doing my best Jethro Bodine cyphering, that just leaves a grand total of ONE day for everything else that they had "problems" with! I also counted 4 issues. Not bad for ANY car over 2 years. I wonder how many issues their BMW's generate over 24 months. I guess if you average them out over how many they must have, it MIGHT be lower than the 4 the LS had!
The wood is faux (fake) in a BMW and fake in the LS. I guess French is required if the car comes over across the "little pond".
And consumer comments. 2 good, 3 bad and 1 kinda neutral. And ya gotta like quoting someone who they banned! Now THERE'S non-bias!
I guess Edmunds is right. If you want a BMW, then fork over the extra 10-15 THOUSAND DOLLARS and buy one. And with the BMW, vinyl is standard and I would get fewer ponies! As for me, I'm EXTREMELY satisfied with my decision to purchase my LS. I quit my subscriptions to the car rags as all they could do was worship anything from The Black Forest. I guess I'll have to add Edmund's reviews to the list.
".....the Lincoln's battery location, it caused some momentary confusion for our Mr. Brauer. "The battery-in-trunk location threw me for a loop when trying to charge up a remote-controlled-car battery. I opened the hood to hook up the charger and couldn't find the battery anywhere. It was hard to imagine the Lincoln starting and running without a battery, so I checked the owner's manual and discovered that Lincoln put the battery in the trunk, underneath the trunk floor panel."
Thanks
Jim
I also just joined the LS Owners Club. I read with interest the article in Issue #1 of the Newsletter, "Lincoln's Racing Heritage."
When I was 12 years old my father was a junior high school teacher in El Monte, California. The main market in El Monte at that time was Crawford's Market. As a kid I was always car crazy, engaging in friendly arguments with my uncles about "Chrysler engeering" vs. Ford and Chevy power, rear grear ratios, etc. My father understood my passion and introduced me to a friend of his who was a member of the El Monte Rotary Club and owner of Crawford's Market, Mr. Ray Crawford.
The man was a true gentleman. I met him in his market and he took the time to discuss cars with me -- a wide-eyed kid who couldn't get enought of it. He was friendly, energetic, and jovial. He even showed me some pictures of him drvinig his racing Lincoln. I had never heard of the Carrera PanAmericana before; but a few weeks after meeting him, my father showed me an article in the newspaper reporting that Ray Crawford won the 1954 event.The newletter's picture of the #149 winning Lincoln brought back a flood of memories. Thanks.
Chuck
Their discretion has been displayed numerous times, where-as the faults of the mighty vehicle is a minor flaw, but in other cases, it brandishes the vehicle to an almost ran. I've seen it all over the media, since the LS can't out BMW the BMW, it is somehow an also ran!
I've had my LS for over two years now, and it ain't no BMW. I can outperform any BMW I-six in a heartbeat, for less money, yet I am suppose to be humbled by the mighty press. Lest we forget that this is the same press that continually wouldn't mention the transmission upgrade or the fact that it took months to discover the battery was in the trunk, terrible oversights in my mind. Their experiences are strictly their own, but do not reflect the informed purchaser's opinion regard the capability or cupability of this vehicle.
I have learned that the Long-Term test of Road & Track, Car & Driver, Motor Trend, and even Consumer Reports are much more reliable. Outside of the wonderful message board and great moderators (Hi Pat), these tests results really have little to offer and should be considered with a grain of salt. The editors and writers have made their biases painfully clear in all of their writings, but all along, we owners have known that they are full of (um, er) beans!
As my fellow member Mike Hall pointed out, where else in an American car can such a balanced platform be found? Where can (in an American Vehicle) such a fantastic compromise between ride and handling be found? Power; well I don't live in the 0-60 world, but I am considerably impressed by what's under the hood every time I need the acceleration passing on a two lane highway. I've seen 29 m.p.g at sustained high speeds, probably nothing like Rene's, but they are actual readings.
Somewhere too many people have checked their objectivity and will only believe the press, that the Germans are better that the Americans. It isn't true. I believe that they are living under the snobbish rules of motordom, not the reality of everyday life. We can never dispute this claim, outside of driving and enjoying out LSes to the maximum! Once the truth becomes known, we will know the best kept secret in all of Autodome!
British Airways just chose A319's and A320's to replace 737's.
Trans-Pac is probably where most of the Boeing quotes came from.
It's 14 hours and 10 minutes from LAX to TPE (Taiwan). Always in Boeing equipment.
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- Brian.
Stiffer body, new suspension. Traction control, stability control and brake assist will be standard.
Two new 4.2l V8 engines will be available The smaller is a 300 HP unit, torque is 308lb.ft @ 4100RP, 0-100 KM/H (= 0-62 MPH) in 6.5 sec. Max speed is 250 KM/H (155 MPH). The "R" version will
have the supercharged version of the same engine: 400 HP, torque is 397 lb.ft. 0-100 KM/H in about 5.5 sec. (with automatic transmission). Top speed is the same, both have an electronic limiter.
Safety: new side curtain airbags are implemented, airbag activation is controlled by an active restraint technology system using weight sensing, seat position sensors etc. Pedal position can be
adjusted using control buttons on the steering column. An electronic parking brake is activated when the key is removed on cars with automatic transmission.
Delivery time: "some time in the spring" (in Norway)
This info comes from www.Bilnorge.no and has been translated by a member of JagTalk.com.
pics of interior:
www.bilnorge.no/vis_bilder.php3?b=b_2676.jpeg&aid=17577
pics of instrument panel:
www.bilnorge.no/vis_bilder.php3?b=b_2677.jpeg&aid=17577
According to the S-type forum the new S-types are shipping with Michelin HX MXM4 rubber just like the Tbird and LS instead of the Pirellis.
Any specs on the V6 S-type?
"Nytt for S-type er at den nå også leveres iøkonomiutgave med 2,5-liters AJ-V6, den samme som du finner i X-Type. Ved hjelp av denne har Jaguar greid å presse prisen ned til under £25.000 på hjemmemarkedet mens selv den spreke R-versjonen holder seg under 50.000 pund. "
I have been next-to/behind an occasional LS that has stalled, but they have been sports models so I have assumed that they were manuals.
Has anyone on this board, with automatics, ever stalled?
Just curious....
As far as stalling with the automatic is concerned, I think the computer controls torque converter engagement versus engine rpm and prevents that from happening. I'm sure Mark can tell us the actual mechanism involved, and automatic stalling is probably a symptom of some sensor problem. In the "old days" with carbs, a "dashpot" or vacuum/piston device on the throttle kept the carb butterflys from closing after torque converter engagement.
ALL the facts, ma'am. Please.
Scott
LLSOC Member
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I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just thought that the press would TRY to be a little more objective and thorough. Guess not.
Chris - LLSOC Charter Member
Mania 3, here I come!!!!
"....but we were surprised by the amount of interior components that both cars share. Everything -- from the gauges, to the vents, to the stereo controls --is from the same parts bin"
That would be a fine comment....except it is completely FALSE. The word "everything" needs to be changed to "nothing" and then it would be more accurate.
Here are the things that are different: The gauges are different, the vents are different, the radio is different, as is the instrument panel, door panels, power window switches, turn signal, wiper switch, glove box, shifter, door handles, the speaker placement, ash tray location, fuel computer, seats, traction control switch, Sport-shift button, center console, steering wheel remote switches, steering wheel, emergency flasher switch, ALL different.
I thought the volume control for the radio might be the same so I checked the LS brochure, such enough, it too is different.
Once again here is the the quote from the experts at Edmunds "... Everything -- from the gauges, to the vents, to the stereo controls --is from the same parts bin"
Just another example of Edmunds writing incorrect statements to fit whatever PRE-CONCEIVED NOTIONS and BIASES they have. Their lack of professionalism and accuracy is only surpassed by their lack of knowledge of vehicles.
At the Detroit show Ford will unveil a retro concept that has styling cues from the mid-engine race cars of the 1960s.