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Honda Civic Si / SiR 2005 and earlier
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1992 Civic Si hatchback has 'NA' for Anti-Lock Braking System.
Only Civic EX Sedan had ABS as standard item.
'94. It was an option, though a rare one.
-davis.
Now, what about this: the CTR will be coming here (it's been mentioned in C&D and Edmunds)... so isn't this going to just slow down sales of this Si??
From what I've read, the Si that we are getting is slower (albeit more relaxed) than the previous one, and has shoddy tires. Whereas, the CTR would remedy both of these issues and has body molding that actually make this vehicle look good (a rareity)!! Plus, the UK press has given high praise to the CTR, especially at the price they introduced it at.
swinga7 -- darn good question.
Not to defend dealers, but if people are going to have to have the new thing, then dealers are more than justified in fleecing them. You can't protect idiots from themselves. There's always Saturn... (now, that's a scary thought!)
-davis
Not that either of these cars are even in the same category, performance-wise, as the Si. Nice as it is, the Si is totally outgunned.
-SHOV6
Then again wait a few months and they could be had for 2-3% above invoice.
175 hp and 180 lb-ft of torque, on 87 octane.
6-speed manual
helical limited slip differential
215/45-17 tires
180 watt 7 speaker AM/FM CD
all for $16,536 including destination.
now if only they'd give me credit for taking off the boy racer wings.
I've been begging for Honda to put a strong 2 liter motor in the '92 model Civic HB but looks like I'll be going back to Datsun/Nissan.
1. The interior is crap. The car had 16 miles on it, I close the door(passenger, as I cant drive it off the lot, the sales man has to) and the whole arm rest comes off in my hand. I show the sales man and hes like, "well so much for dealer prep! WTF???
2. The car was driving all wrong. My guess is it needed an alignment reall bad! really, really bad.
3. The 6200 red line. The engine is just getting going by 5k, then as the power swells, smile on my face, WHAM! WHAM! WHAM!, rev limiter. I'm like WTF!?! this car sucks! It really does.
I knew I would be very disapointed if I spent one penny on this car.
Thats all, Happy Motoring.
TMV $19k for Civic Si, $16k for Spec V, $19.5k for RSX
Civic Si 160hp@6500rpm, 132lb-ft@5000rpm
Spec V 175hp@6000rpm, 180lb-ft@4000rpm
RSX 160hp@6500rpm, 141lb-ft@4000rpm
curb weight:
Civic Si 2744 lbs
Spec V 2743 lbs
RSX 2694 lbs
0-60: 7.9 sec Si, 7.5 sec Spec V
might as well get the RSX if you love Honda so much!
I plan on keeping my car for "the life of the car" meaning I dont want a car that will fall apart after 5 years.
I am not all about speed. The handling and "fun" factor are a major parts of my decision.
The new Si just might fullfill my wants.
Creature comforts are also something I am looking for, as this is my daily driver.
The only thing that the Si has against it, IMHO, is the "boy racer" Hon-duh following which I dont want to ba associated with.
So, thats it and thanks for reading!
IMHO Honda has become too expensive and the competition has caught up with good products for my hard earned $'s.
I was one of the few, hoping for $15k~16k MSRP for a Civic Si HB.
I suspect that Honda will kill the Si in 2004, blaming it on poor sales.
http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/020315-2.htm
That's $16,106 US dollars!!
Why do we have to pony up $3k more?
My Hondas: '85 Civic S, '89 Prelude Si, and finally '92 Civic CX... my favorite? the Prelude of course.
hatchback that gets 49 mpg for $4k less than the
Civic and guess what? He said, "Oh, we can work
out a deal>"
Don't forget that as a consumer you must never go into a Honda dealership acting desperate as in "i must get this car or die" or they will clean your wallet out!
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I'm speculating they will wait for the 5 door hatch market to be firmly established in the US before introducing it in the Summer of '03(unless they introduce it at the show this month in NY). Another reason for delaying it could be that they have the Pilot, Model X, new Accord, Civic hybrid and Si all out this year. Too much excitement for the dealer?
If you look at almost any vehicle in Canada and convert it's MSRP to US funds, it'll be a deal every time. It's because of the less than desireable exchange rate. Allow me to stress this, it is not only Honda. For example, a 2002 Protege5 with air, sunroof, ABS, 5 spd lists at about $21,900 before taxes and such. Convert that to US funds ($1 CDN = $1.55US approx.) gives a price of $14,130.
-SHOV6
I had a '99 Si, which I bought for $16.5K (invoice was $16.1K), but moving it into the $20K+ range is questionable.
IMO, Honda should have brought Si/SiR with lower content for a lower price tag, devoid of several things that people will rather appreciate as options (moonroof, ABS) or wouldn't appreciate (electric steering, electronic brake distribution). Absence of those things could have brought down the curb weight to under 2700 lb. as well.
With $19K MSRP, I'm expecting the invoice to be about $17.2K, which is not bad for the car, if that is what one would pay for it, but only if they tend to sit at dealers lot for longer than expected.
Base RSX is much more car for almost the same amount.
I only wish that SI had two trims like lx/ex civic
Without Sunroof etc but then it wouldn't have been that cost effective.
Honda would not have trouble selling 15,000 Sis, it means only 15 Sis per dealer.