Subaru Impreza WRX Wagon

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Stoner: I think your synchros are worn. They had a TSB for this on 1998-1999 Imprezas IIRC. Do a search on the NHTSA web site for it. It should be fixed under warranty.

    -juice
  • ctwrx1ctwrx1 Member Posts: 34
    What a coincidence. Every morning on the way to work I drop to first gear as I dodge pot holes down a fairly steep hill. This past week the transmission popped out of first as I negotiated some pot holes. I know first was fully engaged. I come to a complete stop before engaging first.
  • saintvipersaintviper Member Posts: 177
    I'm at 31K miles. I've never had a problem with first popping out. I do have quite a bit of trouble with reverse when the car is cold though. Usually the shifter refuses to go into reverse at all. I have to put the car in first and roll forward a couple inches, then it goes into reverse just fine. Sometimes I can also start letting the clutch out slowly and eventually it will pop into reverse, but that method occasionally leads to grinding gears.

    I've had this problem on other cars too, but it seems much worse on the WRX. It's been there since I got the car but I haven't seen much on it on this board.
  • nine51nine51 Member Posts: 77
    I have an early WRX wagon (mfg 3/01) with 26000 miles. Averaging 24.5 mpg with mostly highway driving, and some stop & go freeway traffic. So far I have had no problems with the car except that it is starting to have the dreaded "clutch shudder", and the transmission doesn't seem as smooth going into gear as it used to be. I'm considering going to the dealer and having them drive it, but I'm afraid that would be a waste of time. It still shifts into first at a slow roll, but when shifting from first to second, it seems like it "pops" out of first gear too easily. I've never had it pop out on it's own, but it feels like it wouldn't take much of a nudge on the shifter to get it to pop out. I frequently read the forums on i-club http://www.i-club.com and there is a lot of talk about bad syncros and blown clutches on WRX's. Some is abuse, but man are not. Looks like the stock transmission is a little weak for the job. Subaru hasn't yet come up with a fix, and it is difficult to get them to do anything under warrantee. I love this car, but I hope it's not going to be a major PITA in another year or so. I've driven manual trans cars since 1975, and have never had a clutch go bad on a car I bought new. This one might be a first.


    The engine seems to be the strong point in the car. I've used Mobil 1 since 8K miles, change it every 3K, and it doesn't use a drop. It pulls strong over 2500 RPM. From some comments on this thread, some people aren't used to turbo lag. The little 2.0 liter doesn't have a lot of torque on the low end. The AC compressor is a major drag around town.


    Overall, great car but I am worried about the transmission.

  • bostonwranglerbostonwrangler Member Posts: 1
    saintviper-

    Most likely the reason you can't easily get the tranny to shift into reverse is that reverse is not a sychornized gear. This is the case with most cars and I assume it is the same with the WRX. The cold might exaggerate the problem if the shifter boot is stiff or the gear lube is really thick due to the cold. Rolling the car forward in first turns the tranny shaft a little bit and enables the reverse gear to engage more easily.
  • djasonwdjasonw Member Posts: 624
    Leftover '02 Audi allroad. Don't flame me please! I just made the huge mistake of buying the wagon with the automatic. It just takes the guts out of this car! If I purchased it with the stick, I'd be singing a different tune. I am truly going to miss the Subie. It felt like it was going to last a LONG time, but it was REALLY hard to drive aggressively in NYC traffic unless I kept it in second and kept the revs up. I am going to STILL be checking in as I want to still have a connection to this car.
  • saintvipersaintviper Member Posts: 177
    Thanks bostonwrangler. I figured it was normal. Just needed confirmation. And it is getting cold here. Lows in the 20s and 30s for the past month. It's snowing right now which I used to dread, but now I look forward to it.

    I've felt the clutch shudder a few times since I've had the car, but I feel it was more the result of sloppy clutching than any problem with the car. 31K miles so far and no troubles.
  • saintvipersaintviper Member Posts: 177
    Got 384.7 miles on 1 tank of gas last week. Had 1.2 gallons left when I filled it back up. Anybody beat that?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    If reverse is tough, going to 1st helps because they are right next to each other physically. Colin shared a nice photo of the tranny a while back to demonstrate that.

    Dave: congrats on the allroad quattro. The 2.7T is actually a twin turbo so it spools up quickly. A V8 is a new option for that car this year, pretty cool, if pricey.

    Did you consider an LL Bean Outback or VDC? Guess you wanted the 250 horses, eh?

    -juice
  • djasonwdjasonw Member Posts: 624
    I definitely considered it but I read that the pickup was so-so. I purchased the allroad at dealer cost (40,200). Take a test drive of any Audi product with the 2.7 turbo and you'll be hooked. It is ONE SWEET ENGINE.

    You're right about the V8. VERY PRICEY... and with a chipped 2.7t you can probably do better than a stock V8. I only wish I could have experienced my Subie in the snow. I still think that it is superior to the Audi quattro system (especially in the WRX auto).
  • hunter001hunter001 Member Posts: 851
    Congrats on the Allroad.

    Out of curiosity, do you honestly feel the power in the Audi Allroad ? I am surprised, since I felt it was pretty lethargic, when I drove it. Not even close to the nimbleness or feeling of power in my Auto-WRX, which is not surprising, considering the amount of weight the 2.7T engine is forced to tote around (4500lbs or so, right ??). 4500lbs = 1.5 times the weight of the WRX, with just an additional 23hp more than the WRX. Also, did you buy the manual version or the Automatic ? Either way, I would have been more impressed if they fitted their regular 4.2L V8 in that vehicle, since it desperately needs it.

    It is a great looking car. So is every other Audi product. I just would not buy it for its power, however.

    Later...AH
  • hunter001hunter001 Member Posts: 851
    Just read the post from juice where he states that the new Allroad has the V8 as an option. I am not surpised about Audi introducing that option in the Allroad...this is one vehicle that REALLY needs the V8. The 2.7T is way outgunned by the mass it needs to lug around, even though it is a sweet engine when it is in a lighter vehicle.

    Later...AH
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    At its peak the WRX will run circles around it, but the 2.7T is a twin turbo, the smaller one spools up quicker.

    I'd say that for an automatic, the 2.7T is better suited, because of the smaller turbo and because of the extra displacement.

    The allroad weighs more, sure, it's bigger also.

    -juice
  • locke2clocke2c Member Posts: 5,038
    quote: Colin shared a nice photo of the tranny a while back to demonstrate that.

    That was a LONG time ago! The similarity of ratio is a factor, too.

    Whatever the case, 1st->Rev is far easier than just bashing reverse on a very cold gearbox.

    -Colin
  • hunter001hunter001 Member Posts: 851
    "At its peak the WRX will run circles around it, but the 2.7T is a twin turbo, the smaller one spools up quicker."

    That was my impression too - Until I drove it. The smaller turbo is supposed to spool up quicker, before the larger turbo takes over at a higher rpm.

    But when you actually drive it, there is a noticeable amount of bad turbo lag....maybe it is inertia in moving that huge bulk ahead from a standstill or whatever....the drive certainly was not pleasant....then BOOM the car takes off. That was in a 6M. The Automatic may be even worse. You simply cannot modulate the speed well. The same effect was not that noticeably present in the S4 (equipped with the same engine), which leads me to think that even the 2.7T is underwhelming in such a heavy vehicle, regardless of whether the torque peaks at <2K rpm or whatever. Again, the Allroad NEEDS the V8...the 2.7T is out-gunned when it comes to lugging that bulk around. Of course, if that vehicle was equipped with the WRX 2.0L Turbo, it may not even have moved at all !!!

    The WRX will run circles around it, at pretty much all over the powerband....can't say that when it comes to the S4, where the engine is mated well to the car.

    Looks, interior design, quality of materials used etc., is excellent, however.

    Later...AH
  • hunter001hunter001 Member Posts: 851
    I'd say that for an automatic, the 2.7T is better suited, because of the smaller turbo and because of the extra displacement.


    Sure, if you fit the 2.7T onto the WRX, it would fly - Automatic or manual or whatever. But in the Allroad, it strains to do anything at all. I think turbos mate well with lighter cars not something that needs to lug around a lot of bulk.

    Later...AH
  • jmgregory5jmgregory5 Member Posts: 48
    stoner and ctwrx1, what speed are you going in 1st gear when you notice it pops out? I am curious. I tried driving in 1st tonight down a small grade. I was going all of 18 mph or there abouts in 1st and the revs were a little over 3k - a speed that I sensed was too fast for the gear chosen. The same slope in 2nd gave me all of 1800 revs, a much more laid back engine speed.

    A mechanic once asked me what I would rather pay for - transmission work or brake pads? I have lived by this wise piece of advice for more than 18 years and have yet to have any tranny problems - except my wife's 00 Odyssey tranny replaced at 28k (not related to this issue).

    Engine breaking might make sense driving down a steep grade in mountain country where the slope might take an extended amount of time to travel down, but going down a residential street should not necessitate shifting into 1st for engine breaking IMHO.

    John
  • djasonwdjasonw Member Posts: 624
    Believe me AH... I did LOVE my WRX but with the Auto the allroad will leave you in the dust EVERY time. If you're so inclined I'd love to meet you for coffee one day and compare the 2. I am NOT knocking the Auto WRX. I am just saying they NEVER should have put an automatic transmission in this car. Off the line this car is simply horrible. It felt as if the emergency brake was on. Then at nearly 3500 rpm, BAM, slingshot. I'm sorry, that's not the way I want to drive. The 2.7t has plenty of boost at 1800 rpm and is superb on the highway. As a matter of fact, I intend to buy a Sti manual (IF IT EVER COMES HERE!!). It would REALLY complement my allroad. One thing is for sure, I am the first to admit that the Subie will spend a LOT less time in the shop than the Audi. So.. how about it AH,, wanna meet?
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    How many miles did you put on the Rex? Maybe you didn't give it enough time to break in. :-) In general, Scooby's take even 10-15k miles to *really* break in.
    Helping the car breathe easier (even with just a different muffler) would've helped the turbo spool quicker.

    -Dennis
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    AH: then again, some would argue even the WRX is no lightweight.

    It'll be interesting to see if the Forester gets the 2l turbo engine from the JDM model, that one is tuned for 217hp but supposedly spools up quicker. Forester weighs a bit more so that is a concern to me.

    John: OT, I know, but did Honda pay for that tranny? I saw an article in AN that said they were paying and extended the warranty on those. They had something like 24,000 failures (not just on Odyssey).

    0-60 I think an auto WRX will easily beat an allroad, but the allroad may have better driveability (i.e. below 4000 rpm). Why don't you guys meet up and let us know! :-)

    Either way, they are very different cars. The allroad is more closely matched to an Outback VDC.

    -juice
  • aa717driveraa717driver Member Posts: 41
    A friend with an older 911E said "an engine has a fixed number of revolutions in it. Brake pads are cheap. Don't waste your motor with engine braking."

    Also, I had to do the '1st then reverse' trick with my RX7.TC
  • djasonwdjasonw Member Posts: 624
    Guys... my friend and I did this already. Maybe that's why I am so sure of the outcome. We did a number of runs to 80 and each time the allroad was the winner. 40-70 and 70-90 runs also outdid the Auto WRX. Now granted the WRX that I traded only had 6,600 miles. I was running it with synthetic and had a K & N filter. I know for sure that the turbo was definitely working. Another complaint I had about the Auto WRX car was the performance with the A/C on. You REALLY had to be careful or you'd be rear ended if you didn't wait for a WIDE open hole in the road to make an entrance. Once I put the chip in (GIAC I think), its good for over 300 hp. Not sure when I am gonna do that. BTW...anyone know when/if the STi is going to be released? Hope it has VDC! Still waiting on AH.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    I have to disagree with you there. Maybe you got a broken in used allroad, or your WRX was way too green to open up properly, but Edmunds tested the allroad twice and hit 60 in 7.4 seconds in a comparo, and in 7.7 seconds in their road test.

    Auto WRXs are in the high 6 second range, well ahead of that.

    Maybe your allroad was already chipped or modded in some way? Just a thought.

    -juice
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    There you go. Not even broken in yet. :-)

    STi should be spring/summer '03. The rumor is that they will announce it at the Detroit auto show in January. The Japan/UK versions get an LSD in the front and driver controlled center diff.
    You can count on the VDC not being on the STi.

    -Dennis
  • djasonwdjasonw Member Posts: 624
    Edmunds test states 0-60 on a regular launch in the mid 8's I believe. If you rev up to 3500 RPM I think they were able to get better 0-60 times. However, I think when I have the chip installed I won't have a problem with the contest. Now.. let's see... should I wait for the S4 with the V8? YUMMY!!!!!
  • djasonwdjasonw Member Posts: 624
    If I didn't have to brake torque and had the performance of the latter results, I'd still be driving my WRX. OR... if I have the manual, I'd still be driving the same car. Bottom line, the Auto WRX needs major mods to make its drivability around town more enjoyable. I didn't want to go that route.

    From a standing start, the automatic amplifies the engine's sluggish low-end response. Step on the throttle after coming off the brake, and the WRX dribbles forward. In our first acceleration run, we recorded an unimpressive 0-to-30-mph time of 4.0 seconds on the way to an 8.7-second 0-to-60. Better results can be obtained by using a brake torque launch technique. This technique (for an automatic transmission only) is done by placing the transmission in drive, firmly applying the brakes with the left foot and applying ever-more throttle with the right. The brakes keep the car immobile while the engine spools up until it reaches the transmission's stall speed. Results vary depending on the type of powertrain, but the WRX responds quite well. Done this way, the WRX winds up to about 3,000 rpm and then shoots forward vigorously once the brakes are released. Our best acceleration run gave us a 0-to-60 time of 6.7 seconds with the quarter-mile occurring in 15.1 seconds at 89.0 mph
  • lark6lark6 Member Posts: 2,565
    I didn't realize people cross-shopped the allroad and the WRX, although there was a comparo between the allroad, Forester S turbo and Volvo XC in the August 2000 issue of the UK's CAR. I also didn't realize people shopped either car primarily on the basis of straight-line acceleration.

    Ed
  • ctwrx1ctwrx1 Member Posts: 34
    I'm with you. I rarely use engine braking and do not downshift as I aproach stops. I coast down in gear until the rpms get low, go to neutral and use the brakes. In all cases where the transmission popped out of first I was moving under 3000 rpm. In most cases I was dodging pot holes at about five mph or less. Once I was on level ground approaching a stop sign between 2500 and 3000 rpm. It was an odd sensation. I was driving at a steady speed, eased off the gas and suddenly I was back in neutral.
    You can't start out with the first gear partially engaged. The WRX shifter is a bit stiff and notchy with 8000 miles. Unlike most of the manual transmission cars I've owned the WRX requires deliberate shifting. Getting into reverse on the first attempt is rare even using the first to neutral to reverse method. I think the transmission shifts best when accelerating aggressively in the higher rpms.
  • celica115celica115 Member Posts: 169
    Any manual launch technique u can share with us?

    Luk
  • hunter001hunter001 Member Posts: 851
    Not to make fun of you about your stating that the 4500lb Allroad with a 23hp advantage (227 vs 250 and (258 vs 217 torque)) can out-accelerate a 3100 lb Auto-WRX. It insults the intelligence of a lot of us.

    Also, did you honestly think that Edmunds employed the brake-torquing technique with the Auto-WRX but forgot to use it with the Allroad on the way to its record smashing run 0-60 of around 7.7secs ?? A full second slower than the Auto-WRX ? 0-30 is what the WRX is weak in..but anything above that need not even be debated....that is when the WRX is readying for the take-off with the big Turbo in its sweet zone. By the time the WRX crosses the 50mph mark (with its Full Turbo Boost), it would not even leave its dust for the Allroad to choke on, since the dust would have settled by the time the Allroad reaches the way the WRX passed by. :-)) Of course, I am exaggerating but you get the point, right ?

    When I drove the Allroad, it felt too sluggish off-the-line, inspite of its Torque peaking at around 1900 rpm or so. When it got going, it was fast. I am sure you are also aware that when the WRX gets going, it is also FAST. :-))

    When you talk of acceleration etc., please don't bring extra-large porkers like the Allroad to compare with the Auto-WRX, at least get the S4 (Automatic) to compare it against...it would be more of a match.

    Enjoy your car...it is a beauty....but it ain't no earth-scorcher in the acceleration department. ;-)

    I really like a car to handle well, more than its ability to accelerate in a straight line. For handling, the Allroad need not even be compared with the WRX. If the WRX is equipped with the STi Suspension (like mine is), then it can out-handle the S4.

    Later...AH
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Let's try the SVX v. AT WRX? Who would win that? My money is on the SVX, but that's just me. :)

    -mike
  • bluesubiebluesubie Member Posts: 3,497
    paisan - Keep quiet, you rare H6 low-end torque 230 h.p. dude. :-p Saw a schweet black SVX at Flemington Subaru.

    djasonw - It's interesting that you keep commenting on chipping an Audi, yet I suppose you didn't look at chipping the WRX. There are a few good ones out there, including Link, Unichip, Ecutek, etc.

    -Dennis
  • hunter001hunter001 Member Posts: 851
    Win 0-30 ? or 0-50 ? or 0-60 or 0-100 ?

    0-30 => SVX
    0-50 => Even
    0-60 => WRX
    0-100 => WRX

    That is how I would place my money. :-)

    Later...AH
  • hunter001hunter001 Member Posts: 851
    SVX all the way...the WRX is not made for slow-speed racing. Very few turbo cars are made for slow-speed racing, since the turbo would never have the off-the-line punch of a Torquey NA engine...twin-turbo or not. The WRC turbos are different but they cost an arm and a leg.

    Later...AH
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    Even money 0-60
    WRXAT 60-70
    SVX 70-155

    Auto-x? 3500lbs is not good at auto-x, On the track yesterday I was hanging with the WRXs yesterday @ the track, although the MT one did pull on some of the places where an MT would help. An AT WRX though would not be any competition IMHO. Heck I have much less body roll stock to stock than a WRX either way. Now if you want to talk on a dirt road or rally-x? No contest WRX all the way even an AT one.

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Not likely...

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    On the 1992 SVX is 155mph (156 actually, but I round to 155) In 1993 they changed the ECU and went to OBDII and speed limited it at 132mph.

    -mike
  • hunter001hunter001 Member Posts: 851
    I will take you on in your SVX in my sister's BMW M5. :-))

    0-155 => No problemo ! Where would you place your money ?

    Later...AH
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    I thought we were talking stock subies with AT to stock subies with AT. Guess not! :)

    As long as we are going all out, my buddy's Fighter Jet has darn good 0-155 speeds! Hee Hee.

    -mike
  • hunter001hunter001 Member Posts: 851
    I was just kidding :-)) Just giving you a hard time !

    I have no idea about the SVX actually. I have not seen its power/torque curve either. So I would not be able to really comment on it vis-a-vis the Auto-WRX. I based the 0-50 in favor of the SVX on the assumption that the SVX (being a torquey NA engine) would definitely have more off-the-line punch that a Turbo engine.

    But the M5 ? No question at all ! :-)) J/K

    Later...AH
  • paisanpaisan Member Posts: 21,181
    At least we agree on the M5 :) I'll take it in silver or grey please :)

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    People cross-shop all sorts of weird combinations. Remember that guy who looked at a Vehicross and WRX, and then ended up buying a Civic hybrid?

    Yeah, those are almost identical! LOL

    BTW, Car said the Forester was far more comfortable off road vs. the XC and the allroad.

    Any how, let's be nice towards Audi, it's the only other company to realize AWD is essential and to offer it on every model. The allroad would make an excellent, versatile, family car. Personally I'd love to have one.

    -juice
  • djasonwdjasonw Member Posts: 624
    GEE... Now... before I traded my WRX Auto there was not much going on here. AH...since my primary concern was drivability BELOW 50 MPH I still prefer my Allroad. Above 50 is a different story. When the S4 with the V8 comes out in the spring I will PROBABLY choose this over the Sti (I prefer the luxury portion too much). Then I guess I can come back and be a nag (hehehe). Now that trip to Canada for my ski trip is gonna be fun now with my Lincoln allroad (LOL). BTW... anyone care to comment on the G35 coupe? I drove it and it did NOT feel like 280 hp. The WRX was QUIETER and RODE BETTER!!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    G35 coupe is supermodel gorgeous. One of the best looking cars on the road. If they sorted out the rear end a little better, I'd call it the best looking car on the road. As it is, it looks better than the Z.

    Carlos "le cost cutter" Ghosn cut some quality out of the Altima, so maybe it affected the G35 too? Sound deadening materials, for instance.

    The interiors feel cheap. Even Infiniti's aren't a match for VW's. Nissan's need work too.

    Have not driven it, though.

    But the Impreza is very refined and quiet at low revs, plus the suspension has lots of travel, so those two don't surprise me.

    -juice
  • djasonwdjasonw Member Posts: 624
    I test drove the G35c and it was SO LOUD AND UNREFINED!! Very surprised!! I always wondered why my WRX was so quiet and my friend explained that the turbos really muffle a great degree of the exhaust sound. I am one of the rare people that likes a QUIET engine (sorta like a turbine). I think the WRX engine is one of the most refined 4 cylinders I have ever driven. Honda has the nod, but compared to the German 4 cylinders I've driven I was imprezzed. Any chance that Subaru will go greater than 2.0 on the engine (WRC withstanding?)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yep, turbos do mellow the exhaust.

    One guy from Mid-A i Club put on a straight pipe and it was obnoxious. After he installed his turbo it actually mellowed out a lot and was tolerable.

    We are hoping for a 2.5l turbo Forester. I think with the extra weight it'll need the low end grunt from the extra displacement. I'd prefer it even if it meant less peak HP.

    BTW, one guy on i Club turbo'd his Forester and is running about 14.5 in the 1/4 mile.

    -juice
  • erics6erics6 Member Posts: 684
    I had some extra time this weekend so I went and test drove a new base Miata (sport option package) and a WRX wagon back to back.

    The Miata seemed slower than my 99. (I know it's heavier.) The clutch release is less abrupt and the steering with the 16 inch tires is nice. I have to say I prefer my 99 though.

    You can feel the weight of the WRX compared to the Miata, but it definitely feels (and is) a lot faster. This was my second test drive of the WRX and the transition to boost seemed less abrupt this time. The car has more of a solid glued to the road feel than our Outback. The clutch seems a little more abrupt than the Miata.

    Now...I just need to wait until the redesigned WRX is available (not a fan of the round headlights) and sunny weather is here so I can sell my Miata.

    Any idea when the redesign will hit our shores?

    Eric
    Rainy Oregon
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The new Miata has 3 more HP but weighs more. I'm not surprised. I drove a new 2002 and it wasn't as quick as I remember the '99 I sampled a few years back.

    I heard that about '99 clutches in Miatas, apparently even chatter is common. Is that right? I may trade my '93 up for a '99 in a year or two.

    They are very different cars, though. One excels in mild, warm weather and is a totally impractical pure sports car, the other is an all-season practical sports sedan.

    In Oregon I'd get a WRX if I had to choose one. But do what I did - get a Subie and a Miata. :-)

    -juice
  • erics6erics6 Member Posts: 684
    We need our Outback for camping/off-road/kayaks etc. so the second car has to be the sports car. My wife would never let me have 3 cars. (We really don't even need 2 cars since I bike/bus to work.) I use the Miata in the winter, but it's forte is definitely top down curvy roads.

    I think the clutch chatter was a problem on 01-02 Miata....a different design I think. The newer clutches feel lighter. 99 & 00 had the #4 and fuel filling problem, but otherwise pretty much bulletproof. On the plus side, the 01+ seats are more comfortable than the 99/00.

    The Miata defitely has more style than the WRX, but as fast as the WRX is....who cares.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Drive fast and it'll appear blurry to everyone else. ;-)

    -juice
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