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Jeep Liberty: Problems & Solutions
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mi check was done at a local dealer who knows i did not purchase it there, and was downright hostile when i showed up again there for the 6000 mi check up , and again complained of my tranny/ accelertion woes. he refused to include my second complaint on the work order and stated " it was on the first one wasn't it"? when i complained that i need a record of my tendering my complaints, if i am to get any resolution from jeep.. anyhooooo, healey chrysler jeep did try to convince me that i was delusional re my symptoms and stated taht i was the only one they have ever had in there with my complaints.. to make a long story short, the mechanic said he had rec'd a bulletin re my problem so he "flashed " my computer and apparently with new software, was able to adjust my setting so that i now do not have the orig problems . i can feel them as they are about to act as they did in the past but are now milder versions of the "hesiatation" that only surfsces if i am on a hill, but with a bit more downward pedal travel i accelerate more predictably but do still fall off speed if i do not accelerate a bit morte prior to mid hill. it no longer zooms off unprompted but when shifting from park to drive, when cold , i have to wair aprox 3 second before it engages otherwise it will thud if i try to drive off.. the service mngr was way too defensive instead of curious for me to have been the oly problem of this type presented to him.. they still have homework to do.. look ahead on this forum to an entry by someone who has a pine tree logo as he has a really good engineering example of whats what.. good luck
tidester, host
1. Get much better mileage.
2. Lose mucho money on your depreciated Jeep.
3. Lose mucho money when you drive off the lot with your Ford.
Relax.... gas costs pale in comparison with depreciation. Revel in the fact that you love your Liberty.
Anyone else come across this?
My only pet peeve is hesitation on some shifts, I wonder if a re-flash of the computer would help. The engine doesn't like certain rev changes when shifting.
The electronics can and does get in the way of the "natural feel" of a pre smog vehicle but you do get cleaner exhaust, better economy and longer maintenance intervals.
I would say that the JEEP algorithims aren't quite at optimum. I wouldn't be surprised if the same engine software is used in both stick and auto, even though they are different beasts. It is no surprise DC is reluctant to admit anything, but that is true of any business with accountants.
I am keeping after my dealer, who is pretty good, about any reflash software for the Liberty. It will be one of those quiet changes you have to ask for. My '03 has been very reliable, with apparently better than many mpg, no moans, no off center pulls, and no rattles yet at 28,000 miles. It has never been in the shop. The rotors do go off true more often than most, but I fixed that myself.
They will fix with no cost. I would bring all your receipts to prove you had the oil changes done.
1.: As almost everybody else we found out that the fuel consumption on the sticker is far away from reality. (17/22 is what the car should burn, what we are getting is an average mileage of 14 mpg, with about 30% on the highway).
Hopefully one of these days there is going to be a class action lawsuit in regards to this issue. What is interesting is the fact, that the trip computer, which Chrysler products have had for decades, does not reveal the "instant fuel consumption" anymore. The "instant fuel mileage" displays the mpg value at any moment, so that the driver can actually see how much fuel the car is burning at a certain constant speed. This feature was very important for us, the trip computer is only available on the $ 4,000 more expensive Limited and Renegade versions. Older Limited models still show the "instant mileage" value- what we believe is that too many customers were able to tell the dealer how much fuel the car was burning exactly at a constant speed on the highway, and complain about it...
2.: Besides the trip computer, we paid an extra $ 4,000 for "luxury leather". Some parts of the "leather" seat surface felt a little bit strange and we asked the dealer, if that was really leather. He confirmed and said: "this is a special, very expensive leather imported from Europe." After having bought the car, we found out that about 50% of the rear seat surface, and the back are covered with vinyl and about 30% of the front seat surface. (I am not talking about the back of the seats or the sides, which usually is vinyl in other cars with leather seats). We know people who have older "Liberty Limiteds" and have verified that the previous years still had the entire seat covered with leather (from edge to edge). In order to increase the profits, Jeep sells larger amounts of Vinyl to people who believe that they are paying for leather. Obviously there are no laws telling the manufacturers how much leather they have to use in order to advertise it as having "leather seats". If Jeep finds it profitable and consumers don't complain, the 2006 "Limited" model will only have 10 square inches of real leather and the rest will be vinyl.
I'm on my third tank of gas with my 2005 3.7 and my latest mileage was 17.16 MPG, around town. Anyway, the fuel numbers on the sticker are not Jeep's - they are the
EPA's! Read the fine print on your sticker.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2004-08-17-fuel-econ-cover_x.- - - htm
No false advertising - No class action is possible.
As for the seats - they've always been stated as "leather trimmed".
Here's a web page for a 2002:
http://www.carprices.net/Cars/Jeep/Liberty/4_door_Renegade/2002/o- ptions.html&target=_parent
look under "LUXURY GROUP":
>>>-inc: mini-overhead console, deluxe door trim panel, universal garage door
opener, auto-dimming rearview mirror, pwr heated folding exterior mirrors, pwr
premium leather trimmed bucket seats, mini-trip computer, vehicle
information center.<<<
Now as for the 2005, the leather trimmed seats are part of the G package.
Check your window sticker - it says "leather trimmed". No
false advertising.
As for the $4K, if there are things you just can't do without - you'll pay
for it.
DMC has been taking cool features out of their products, it happens in Jeeps and Dodges and Chryslers.
my '04 loaded grand caravan, doesn't have the cool heated front windscreen defrosters or the instant milage on the computer.
the '02 JGC also had some cool features that were "missing' from the 03 model
regards
How did you wind up paying $4000(!) for the leather? According to Jeep.com and Edmunds, the 28G Quick Order Package only costs $1570. Hmmm...
1.: As almost everybody else we found out that the fuel consumption on the sticker is far away from reality. (17/22 is what the car should burn, what we are getting is an average mileage of 14 mpg, with about 30% on the highway).
As previously stated, those numbers don't come from the dealer, they come from the Federal Govt.(EPA) so it's going to be tough to sue over that.
As far as the 'leather' question goes, that's between you and your dealer- and sure, you could sue over that. We paid about $1300 for a custom leather job (front and back). Yes, our leather seats are vinyl on the backs of the seats. I admit my dealer never told me that, and I only really noticed after the fact. I didn't get particularly persnickety about it, because I figured if I went back and made a stink about it, I probably would have found that they simply do things that way. Much of the world works that way, a lot of couches you buy are TOPPED with leather, but the undersides and back are often vinyl. Now... if I had paid $4000 for leather, then all bets are off. A $4000 leather job sounds like you were supposed to get somethin' mighty special.
Paul
http://www.iihs.org/news_releases/2004/pr101904.htm
People set up an account – post some horrific problems with their vehicle - ask for advice – then never log in again. It seem troll-ish to me; or is it a characteristic of this type of forum?
Steve, Host
Thanks!!