Mazda6 Sedan

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  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    CR was only telling the truth about the Ford V6. If it was that damaging, Mazda should have thought about that before using it.

    I wonder if CR will test the i or the s model?
  • capitanocapitano Member Posts: 509
    I would have preferred to see "ford-based" or "ford-derived" as opposed to "ford-supplied."

    Saying that the engine is based on a ford design is fine. Saying that it was derived/developed from a ford design is fine. Saying that Ford is supplying the engine is just wrong, IMO.

    But that's not their only mistake. CR says you can get a Subie WRX with a 6 spd manual.

    And their write up of the 6 in another part of the magazine makes no mention of MTs for the 6 at all. It says the i "comes with" a 4 spd auto and the s "comes with" a 5spd auto.

    Their lack of precision is starting to irritate me.
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    I find it somewhat bogus that CR would take a shot at the Ford engine when they keep recommending the Taurus and Sable and other vehicles which have essentially the same engine....We have sold 4 cars to CR in the past 18 months (they do the testing here in CT) and I can tell you there is nothing unbiased about the publication.
  • cookie01cookie01 Member Posts: 369
    we're working on it.
    I'm going to call them again today. They're very nice on the phone. We had tried to do most of this via e-mail, but our e-mail system at home isn't working very well these days.

    Silvercrown... if you're putting "smooth ride" as your priority you'd better hope a dealer will give you the chance for a nice long test drive. I was in an Impala before the 6. I would say the Imp was a much LOUDER ride (lots of road noise, even with better tires) but it might have been less bumpy.
    My Mom's Avalon is the most smooth ride I've driven. However, it handles like a boat...
    Depends on what you like.
  • silvercrownsilvercrown Member Posts: 237
    Thanks for your response. I was wondering if it was the sport package with the larger wheels that caused some of the comments about the ride being very "firm". I wasn't sure if "firm" meant harsh and hard over bumpy pavement or just tighter than a car with a softer suspension (like the Camry). Then again some of the reviews mention a "supple" ride, which sounds pretty smooth to me.

    I'm pretty sure that if I buy a 6, it will be the non-Sport version, even though I think the Sport version looks good. Perhaps I'm different than the target demographic, but personally, I like the way it looks. And IMHO, it looks good without the Sport Package too. It's just a good looking car, plain and simple.

    I don't need to "turn on a dime" but I often feel that my Camry is just a little too soft for me at times, even though I do appreciate the smooth ride. Maybe I've got a split personality or something. LOL

    I also suspected that by the time I added the options that I would probably want to the 6i, I might be very close in price to the 6s. I'd have to consider that more seriously if I decide to do this.

    Of course, the real proof will be in the test drive. Whenever I get to that point, I will post my impressions here. Meanwhile, keep the comments coming!
  • silvercrownsilvercrown Member Posts: 237
    Congrats on your new purchase, first of all. Very cool!

    I'm not sure that I put smooth ride as a top priority, my main concern is reliability, which I believe the Mazda 6 has. I know that I will sacrifice some of the smooth ride for better handling and I'm prepared to make that compromise if I'll be happier with the car overall. I just don't want to swing to the opposite end of the spectrum and be uncomfortable on these horrible roads. So it is a consideration for me.

    I'd like to get some real world responses, but ultimately, the only way I'll know if this is the car for me is when I drive it myself. And hopefully it will be a nice long test drive so I can really get the feel of the car. I'll probably test drive one when the weather gets better around here.

    Meanwhile, I do appreciate comments from owners and/or drivers of the 6. Gives me more to think about.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    So they said the car has a Ford-based engine. I don't know why that makes everyone so mad. Is Ford really THAT bad of a company? And if they are, then Mazda should have used another engine, like I said before.
  • capitanocapitano Member Posts: 509
    You seem to be missing the point.

    Do you not perceive a difference between ford-based and ford-supplied?

    To me ford-based means that Mazda took a Ford product and adapted, modified or reconfigured it to meet their needs. Ford-supplied means they took a ford engine and put it in their car. To me there is a very large difference between the too.

    From the previous discussions on this board, we know how much Ford there is in the V6. The block. End of story. Everything else is Mazda.

    Obviously CR doesn't care enough to get it right.
  • carguy58carguy58 Member Posts: 2,303
    Somebody said they live in NJ and they haven't seen a 6. I live like an hour away from I-80/I280. Anyways, I have seen 6's in Central Jersey. There's like 2 Mazda dealerships by I-287/I-80: There's one In Denville on RT 10, and there's one in Wayne on Rt 23 so Its kind of shocking there's no 6's on the road in North Jersey.

    Bad salespeople: In my lifetime I have interacted with 4 salespeople and none of them were bad at all. I went to a Honda dealership once and the guy was very helpful. The dealer where I bought the Acura from the sales person knew his stuff. The Mazda dealership I went to I dealed with 2 salesman. I dealed with one salesman when I went to look at the car and one when I bought the car. None of them were bad. If I think the salesman is bad I'll either get another salesman to help me or go to another dealership. I have heard bad things about Mazda dealerships but as pointed out before Mazda doesn't have a good dealer network so that could have something to do with it.

    As far as CR-write up on the 6 is concerned I could care less. A Ford Engine is used in the MPV and CR once rated the MPV higher in reliability than Honda's mini-van so its not a big deal.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    I get the point, and see the difference between Ford based and Ford designed. There is a difference, but not a drastic one, between the two.

    Either way, the word 'Ford' on anything in the car will make some people want nothing to do with it.
  • barrysobarryso Member Posts: 66
    "I know that I will sacrifice some of the smooth ride for better handling and I'm prepared to make that compromise if I'll be happier with the car overall."

    If you are interested in ride quality, try the 6 without the sport package. It's a pretty amazing compromise between nice ride and nice handling. The wheels on the sport package gives up a bit of ride smoothness for improved handling.

    IMHO, the non-sport Mazda6 rides better than the new Accord, although it might not be as quiet.

    Good luck with your search.
  • carguy58carguy58 Member Posts: 2,303
    I don't get why Ford's reputation is so bad. The Explorer is reliable and so is the Tarus. The Focus's reliabilty has gotten better the last couple years. My Mom said to me though once she knew this guy and his wife had a bad experince with a Mercury Mystice(spelling) and they got rid of it and bought a Mazda 626. He liked the 626 and wanted to buy one for himself. With that said anybody can have a bad experince with a certain brand of car. I understand Ford Parts in some Mazda cars in the mid 90's sent Mazda's sales way down but when you use another car company's parts with another brand of car it sometimes works out badly. Put it this way as long as Mazda has finishing touches on the Ford Engine reliability should be good.
  • capitanocapitano Member Posts: 509
    I have owned a Nissan. Because of my experience I feel that Nissan makes reliable vehicles.

    My grandfather hated Ford. Everything he owned was a GM product. My parents had some horrible experiences with GM products in the 80's and that makes me want to avoid GM at all costs. They also had a Toyota and a Mercury that did very well.

    I have no "feel" for Mazda. No one in my family has ever owned one. So I am hesitant to be the first to jump into Mazda territory. Prior to the release of the 6, I hadn't paid much to Mazdas at all.

    I can see why people who have a negative feel for Ford will avoid the Mazda6 even though CR says it should be a reliable car. It's same way I am not interested in the Pontiac Vibe, but I like the Matrix. I can't get past the notion that somehow Pontiac will screw something up.
  • stretchsjestretchsje Member Posts: 700
    It's like a band-aid, you have to do it quickly. Just buy one quickly and worry about reliability later (if things start failing).

    OK, bad advice, but everyone makes lemons.
  • tiredofmanualtiredofmanual Member Posts: 338
    Both of the Mazda 6 engines are built in Ford-owned and operated engine factories so they are indeed Ford-supplied. The fact that Mazda did significant engineering work on the engines doesn't make CRs statement untruthful.
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    Since Ford division sells more cars and trucks than just about every other carmaker in the world its kinda foolish to say that if it's got Ford parts nobody wants it....If that was the case they would not be one of the worlds largest auto producers/sellers.
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
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  • civicwcivicw Member Posts: 135
    I don't understand why people are worked up about a sentence that includes the words "3.0 liter V6 from Ford". CR makes it very clear that they like the 6 and they place it at the top with Accord/Camry/Passat. The only things that concerned them were the 41 foot turning circle (Accord/Camry are about a foot less), and the 4 cylinder being a little more noisy than the Accord/Camry 4 engines.

    I think CR did Mazda a big favor by putting the 6 on the cover. Now only if Mazda could get their Marketing in order, the 6 should start flying out of the showrooms.
  • skyrayskyray Member Posts: 156
    Keep in mind, too, that you can buy the non-sport 6 and add the spoiler, which gives it much of the look of the sport package.

    I opted for the more subtle lip spoiler myself:
    http://users.adelphia.net/%7Edennya/Mazda6/index.htm
  • cookie01cookie01 Member Posts: 369
    I've owned one each of the Big Three, I've had Hondas and now I have a Mazda. I don't worry so much about if the "car" is perfect (per se) but what the dealer does if there's a problem.
    My first new car was a Ford and it had paint problems only. The dealer was a peach about fixing the paint problems (under warranty) and off I went. Happy camper.
    My two Chrysler products (one mine, one the hubby's) were TERRIBLE and mostly because several dealers could never quite fix all the electrical and mechanical problems. Both cars were recalled a few times. Sheesh. So now I maintain I won't buy a Chryler product again. And as sure as I'll never drive them again, I'm also positive that out there somewhere are folks who SWEAR by their Dodges or PT cruisers... I hope they have better luck than I had.
    My Impala was flawless. Only took it in once for "check engine light" and they replaced a sensor. Happy.
    I will probably end up judging my Mazda by the service I receive. Hopefully I won't have much reason to "test" them...
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    When you test drive a 6 check the trunk and look under the car at the rear suspension. Mazda designed a new suspension to give the 6 a softer ride and still have great handling.

    The new suspension places the struts and coil springs almost horizontally, which allows the springs greater travel thereby softening and damping bumps. The new design also eleminates having the strut towers take up trunk space providing a much larger cargo area.

    Canadian Driver says the 6 has as good a ride as its competitors. They tested the 6i with the 16-inch wheels.

    If you are going to load it up (down) with options consider the 6s, the difference is surprisingly less than one would expect. One way I figured it the difference was $960 more for the 6s.

    When I test drove the 6S I found the ride very good compared to my 2001 Protegé. The ride was the main thing I wanted to know about. Unlike the Protegé's hopping on smooth roads, the 6S was rock solid, smooth and quiet. BTW, the turning circle is 38.7 feet. It obviously won't make sharp U-turns like the smaller Protegé. A small compromise considering a car loaded with so many standard features, top-handling, and good ride. Not to mention the most beautiful body on the road.

    fowler3
  • fowler3fowler3 Member Posts: 1,919
    Once something breaks loose in the mess of a very bad winter for people living in the eastern USA; the mental depression continuous cloudy skies bring; war fears; and the economy fears -- sales of the Mazda6 will take off.

    In time, the Mazda6 will become one of the most desirable mid-size cars on the market. It will keep owners happy far longer than competitors' cars, which tend to lose their appeal when the newness wears off and owners start finding things they don't like about them.

    Mazda6 owners may, in time, find little things they don't like, but will not part with their 6's because of all the good they would be giving up.

    The Mazda6 is not mainstream, it is a niche car with a great future. This is what makes a car lengendary. Legends are not over-night successes -- fads are.

    fowler3
  • markjennmarkjenn Member Posts: 1,142
    CR makes mistakes - you're going to when you attempt to publish a general guide to a few hundred cars in 50-or-so pages. But generally, I think they're pretty much on the mark. They say that the BMW 530i is a wonderful car and that Chevy Calvaliers suck. They say that Honda's S2000 is a superb roadster. They say that Mercedes and BMW products are a lot less reliable than Hondas and Toyotas. For heaven's sake, they loved the Mazda 6 and their ranking of sedans generally mirrors exactly what the car magazines have been saying.

    To say they're biased and then point out that they're BUYING cars to test is a contradiction in itself. CR is the ONLY publication I know that reviews cars that buys said cars through normal channels rather than having one-off press cars supplied by the mfgs/importers. And they are virtually the only publication that reviews cars without accepting advertising. Given this, I'm not sure where their bias comes from. If you prefer to get your "unbiased" information from the car magazines, go for it.

    And wow, aren't we sensitive about Ford-supplied vs. Ford-derived? There is a lot of Ford in today's Mazda. Get over it.

    - Mark
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    CR doesn't test cars by frying their clutches or thrashing the engines. They test for mainstream America, which likes comfort, trunk space and low-end torque. Hey, this is most of their target audience. So, I don't happen to agree with them on noise level, suspension harshness etc. because I will accept these in exchange for better handling and more driver feedback.

    I trust CR on reliability and quality. Also, their cargo and passenger space ratings. They also provide more "real-life" acceleration data (most folks won't redline their engines or fry their clutches to get snappy starts). They also provide data on bumper durability and real-world turning circle (bumper to bumper, not curb to curb) dimensions.

    I'd go by their reliability data before something like JD Powers, which can rig any poll to get any answer they want. I, for one, never believed Chrysler products were reliable just because some JD Powers poll said they were (initial quality, mind you, which I think covered the first 60 or 90 days). CR initially gave their "Recommended" rating to the LH cars their first year. They retracted that after their test cars started rattling and exhibiting a number of quality/reliability issues.
  • mazdamarlamazdamarla Member Posts: 350
    I'll be interested to see what CR says.

    Personally, we've always consulted CR whenever we've made a big-money purchase. And as best as I can remember, we've never regretted it.

    Before I knew about CR, I'd bought a '84 Cougar when it was used, 4 years old. Was the worst car I've owned. I had nothing but troubles with it beginning six months after I got it. Took it to the dealer several different times, they'd fix it, and a few months later it would start acting up again. I was SO GLAD to get rid of that piece of junk. And lo and behold, when I later looked at reliability ratings for that year Cougar in CR, everything that had a black circle was what I had troubles with. A friend of mine, too - whatever troubles she had with an older Sentra were what had gotten bad ratings in CR. So when I was looking for my current car, I found the car, liked the looks of it and how it drove, and consulted CR. Got nothing but Excellent or Good ratings all the way down, and my car as lived up to it. By the way, it's a MAZDA MX-6. :) Same with my parents' car - they got a '97 Grand Marquis, I think, and when I looked it up before they put the money down, I was happy to tell them that that particular year's model got really good ratings. So far they have not had any problems.

    So personally, I trust CR's rating system and reports.
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    My bias about CR comes from actually meeting and talking to the people who buy the cars and do the testing. They would chat about things with us and they seemed to think that some of their opinions were facts. I expect them to be open minded but after hearing some opinions I quickly saw this was not the case. they liked certain things and if it didnt fit that mold, it wasnt a good car. You can read this bias in the way they word some of the reviews...Clearly some of the "best buy" cars killed them to say nice things. haha

    I think they do make a contribution to car shoppers but they are just an information source that should be considered as such and not a bible.

    But any magazine that puts a Mazda on the cover can't be all that bad!!
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    What does everyone think about the rear lip spoiler???
    We have had luck with the rear wing and was thinking about adding a few lip spoilers to some i models.
  • silvercrownsilvercrown Member Posts: 237
    barryso: Thanks for the suggestion. It supports my theory that I would probably like the 6 in the non-sport version with the smaller 16 inch wheels. I could always add either a wing or a lip spoiler if I want. I'm happy to hear that the 6 seems to have a nice ride as well as the great handling. I'm hoping that I will agree with that when I drive it, because I really, really want one. I'm pretty surprised that you said it rides better than the new Accord. I haven't driven the new Accord, but that sounds like quite a compliment regarding ride quality. I love it!

    skyray: Excellent pics!! Thanks for sharing them. I saw them earlier but had forgotten who posted them. Your car looks awesome! I like the lip spoiler too. I wish I could see it in person. You don't happen to live in Michigan, do you? Just kidding.

    fowler3: Thanks for the explanation about the Mazda 6 suspension setup. It makes a lot of sense and I'm glad to hear that my concern about rough ride quality is probably unfounded, especially with the non-sport version. If the price difference is so small, I probably would look at the 6s. And I agree, the 6 is the most beautifully styled midsized car out there. I really want one!!! ;-)

    I also liked what you said about legends and fads, it was right on the money. You were also so right about long-term buyers' remorse. I loved my Camry when I first got it, but I seem to be losing that lovin' feeling and I can't say why because it's a good car. I have no reason to like it any less, I just feel like I'm missing something that I can't quite put my finger on.

    I just gotta test drive a non-sport 6s now!

    Thanks for the comments.
  • mazdamarlamazdamarla Member Posts: 350
    My initial reaction when I saw someone here's pics of their 6 with the lip spoiler was "Eh - looks like a Bonneville". But I have not yet seen a full-on side shot, only ones taken from front- and rear-angles. But I think I personally like the Wing better.

    But I'm sure lots of others will like the Lip better - it'd sure be nice to actually SEE the option on an actual car, though. That measly little pic in the 6 brochure of just the rear end with the spoiler doesn't give you ANY idea of what the whole car would look like.
  • igota6ssssssigota6ssssss Member Posts: 9
    I passed 1000 miles the other day in my 6s and punched it for the first time on the way home from work today.

    I do think the break in made a big difference in sound and performance. When I test drove a v6 (not the one I bought), I gunned it from a stop leading to a freeway on-ramp and was disappointed by the engine sound, and wasn't really impressed by the acceleration (automatic by the way). I can't really describe the sound, but it just didn't "growl" like I hoped, and frankly, I thought it might be slower than my '99 Miata.

    Today though...WOW! I blasted away from a stop light, and couldn't believe I was doing over 70 very quickly! Much more impressive than when I test drove one. I then tested the brakes (!) as the speed limit was 45 and they hauled me down like it was nothing. Also, past posters have been right, this thing just screams "Yeah!!..Faster!!!" with the engine sound! What a rush!

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I haven't regretted buying the automatic for a second. As of today, I'm even more convinced I made the right choice.

    Chris
  • jndesmarjndesmar Member Posts: 13
    Looking forward to picking up my loaded GT-V6 MZ6 (Canadian version)with the GFX package. The rear spoiler, the front air dam, rear skirt and side sills included in the GFX package really give this car a muscular appearance over any of its competitors. When I get this black beauty in the driveway, I'll post some pictures for all to see.

    I'm curious if anybody has had an experience with the heated seats not performing as one would expect.....
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    I personally would like the ability to control the heated seat a little more. I like having several settings, like my Aviator demo (ok I'm spoiled).....but it's not a huge complaint by any means.
  • ruefusruefus Member Posts: 254
    I've never had a problem with the seats not being adequate. Although, the coldest I've dealt with so far is 0 Farenheit. Nice & toasty in the seat and lower back, which for me, subsides right about the time the cabin becomes warm. It's worked perfectly for me.

    I wonder if the seats are linked to the climate control system at all.
  • jndesmarjndesmar Member Posts: 13
    Thanks guys for your response... had seen a consumer review on Edmunds dated Feb 21, 2003 claiming the car was awesome other than the seats "barely got warm and was wondering if they were actually working". Rufues, maybe you're right and it has some direct link with the climate control..
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    linked to the climate control. Why would they be?
  • musiclawyermusiclawyer Member Posts: 20
    I've found the seats to heat up very quickly, although it tapers off quickly too once the cabin is warm, unlike my Santa Fe where the seat heat curve seems a little more progressive up and down.
  • toneetouchtoneetouch Member Posts: 60
    i've seen the brochure picture, as well as pics on a 6/atenza (sp?) website, and i think it looks pretty good. my 25 y.o. male opinion is, it's sporty but not as flashy as the regular spoiler. i must admit i've never seen it in person, though. i like the looks of the regular spoiler as well.

    ant
  • skyrayskyray Member Posts: 156
    As for CR, I don't trust them because I've read their reviews in areas where I'm a professional (computer-related stuff) and IMHO they're often way off the mark, even given their audience. That makes me question the rest of their coverage.

    Marla, a BONNEVILLE? Okay, I can't let that stand. Pistols or swords?

    Sorry there's no full side-on pic. When I shot the pics, I couldn't get far enough away on the side to shoot from that angle -- glass-slick ice surrounding the car.

    Now the car's dirty from road muck. :-) But I'll try to shoot one after tomorrow's snow has passed.
  • mrblonde49mrblonde49 Member Posts: 626
    I would think most people would like one of the 2 spoilers. I like the sport package myself, but also think the lip spoiler, while more reserved, does add a lot to the look of the car.

    I also think the 17 in wheels really improve the look. I'm not sure what tires they are using on the 16's, but I looked at them the other night at the dealer & they look the opposite of sporty (not the wheel as much as the tire). The tire has that rounded sidewall that looks like iit should be on a much more boring car. Anyone else see this & think that?
  • jbchapmanjbchapman Member Posts: 21
    Perhaps the topic has already been beaten to death, but I'd like to share my experience. I have a 6s with the base 16" wheels. Its ride is definitely on the firm side, particularly when I drive alone. My previous vehicle was a '96 Accord, which is said to have a firmer ride than the Camry. The Mazda6 has a firmer ride than the Accord. But I would never describe it as harsh. It has a ride quality unlike any other Japanese car I ridden in. The car that seems closest in feel is a friend's Mercedes-Benz C240.
  • carguy58carguy58 Member Posts: 2,303
    I wouldn't be suprised if the Number 1 trade in for the Mazda 6 is the 96-97 Accord.
  • combustible1combustible1 Member Posts: 264
    I took a second test drive, but unfortunately it was rush hour and snow started coming down hard, so it wasn't a very productive drive.

    But I did notice how loud the wipers were at the bottom of their travel.. a loud "chunk" ever time, which got annoying. I compared it to my old Camry, which doesn't make that noise at all.

    Anybody else notice this?
  • audia8qaudia8q Member Posts: 3,138
    So far the trade-in's we have seen towards the 6 are all over the board...but I can tell you that I have more used Honda's in stock than normal. They came in on the 6's and Tribute.
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    Drove one yesterday. It had 2200 kms (not miles!) on it.

    Went for an oil change for my PRO and asked for a test drive. They only had this model for test drives and off I went.

    Ride: Superb! Nor harsh, not cushy - just perfect. Like the A4 I drove. A perfect blend of sport and comfort.

    Noise: You can hear the engine, but not the road. I took it to 4000RPMs but did not hear anything exemplary as far as that V6 engine noise goes...

    Braking: I still can't get over how well this car stops. Took it to 25mph and hit the brakes - it stopped and the ABS kicked in in the last second before the stop. No brake fade whatsoever. And it stopped EXTREMELY quickly!!!

    Sport AT: Works quite well to up and downshift. Only problem was shifting 1->2 as it took a long time to do it, but other upshifts and ALL downshifts were prompt. First time I drove a Sport AT car: not bad, but not worth the $1000 you save from the MT.

    Acceleration: It's a V6! Coming from a 4cyl AT PRO, it's worlds apart.

    Cornering: Little body lean as expected, but the car goes where you want it to go without fuss. It's larger than the PRO, so the PRO feels "tighter", yet the 6 has so much more going for it, that I have to say it is THE ultimate FWD midsize, better than the 2000 Maxima SE 5spd or 99 2.8 A4 I drove a few weeks ago.

    Interior fit and finish: I love it! I like the silver dash (although it took me a few seconds to find what I was looking for).

    Another thing: EVERYONE was staring at this car on the road. It was yellow and great-looking after all. Got some positive smiles from other drivers.

    This car really embodies Mazda's Zoom-Zoom philosophy quite well!

    Dinu
  • combustible1combustible1 Member Posts: 264
    yes, the new website is up!.. works a lot better than the old.. which was a total pain in the #@$%#!!!

    I tried to build a car with side air bags in a non sports pkg 6s version, but no go.. I'm assuming you have to have that sports package in order to have that extra protection.

    nice review dinu - yea, I think that yellow looks super sharp, but I couldn't see getting it myself.

    I think the AT sports shift is pretty neat, but not perfect, as you say.. I think it's especially attractive for those who don't drive manual already. Gear rower folk, for the most part, will thumb there noses at it, as demonstrated by many on this board.
  • carguy58carguy58 Member Posts: 2,303
    Its still 2003 model year. How did anyone get a 2004 yet?
  • boxfanboxfan Member Posts: 180
    I think CR is useful for some things that no one else really rates--when I was looking for tires, CR was the only place I could find that actually tested tires. I wanted tires that were good at stopping in the rain, and the ones recommended by CR were indeed good in the rain (better than the Goodyear Aquatreads I had before).

    I think CR's auto reliability ratings are the most useful ones around, and they have some other helpful information, like real-world MPG (much more accurate than the EPA, in my experience). But I certainly wouldn't buy a car just based on their brief reviews. I think they try to target their reviews to the average American buyer, so it's useful for some people.

    They did the 6 a huge favor by putting it on the cover of their auto buying issue. That more than outweighs any negative connotations of the Ford engine comment. I'm surprised they rated the 6 highly, because I thought they would find it too stiff and not big enough to be a good all-around family car.
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    It's the 2004 model year in Canada, since the car was released in January 2003.

    Dinu
  • qddaveqddave Member Posts: 164
    The first model year for the Mazda6 in Canada is indeed 2004. Probably a marketing thing. Every other car out right now is a 2003. When you see or hear an add with "2004" in it, it makes you stop what you're doing and look/listen.
  • mrblonde49mrblonde49 Member Posts: 626
    I rmember someone saying that it looked very good.

    I was wondering, doesn't it clash with the silver center stack?

    Does anyone have a picture?

    I'm asking because I'm most likely getting a 2004 sport 6s & might want beige instead of black interior (maybe they'll change their stance on automatic black with the sport package next year)
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