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The way Honda designed their factory rack adjustments makes Daimler Chrysler engineers look like geniuses. Of course they also came up with a POS tranny.
The topic comes up now and then, so here's a list of features on the 2001 EX which are not on the 2001 LX. Honda charges an additional US$2500 for the EX. I put an * by those that have Honda OEM or identical replacement versions which can be purchased for the LX:
Power Sliding Doors, Automatic Climate Control (LX has dual-zone manual heat/AC), Power Driver's seat (LX has 6-way manual driver's seat), Upgraded fabric, Heat-rejecting/reflecting tinted glass (LX has standard tinted glass), Steering wheel audio controls, Auto-off headlights, Homelink remote system, Driver's seat and 2nd row seat-back pockets, Body color trim and mirrors (LX has black trim&mirrors), NAVI (optional), Dash mounted tweeters, Storage tray under Passenger seat*, Cargo Net*, Security System with Remote Keyless Entry*, Alloy wheels*, CD player* (LX has cassette), Roof Rails*, Michelin Symmetry tires* (LX has Firestones), Grab Handles behind 2nd row seats, Center storage box light.
Also, there are some features on Canadian models not available in the US including a larger wiper fluid tank and low fluid indicator, heated outside mirrors, Daytime Running Lights, and gauges with metric calibration. US buyers of Canadian-spec Odysseys should be aware that there is no Honda warranty, usually only an aftermarket dealer-supplied warranty. Otherwise, these vehicles are essentially identical, and built in the same plant on the same assembly line.
The EX is about 40 lbs. heavier (69 lbs. with NAVI). The EX is also 1.2" taller due to the roof rack. Clearly, weight and aerodynamics favor the LX in a quarter-mile run:-). Note, this list applies to 2001 models. Earlier models may vary. I believe pre-2001 LX models did not include floormats or traction control, while pre-2001 EX models did not include the security system, for example. Some links with more complete lists of features:
http://www.honda2001.com/models/odyssey/features.html
http://english.honda.ca/models/odyssey_features.asp
Also, I posted a review of my preferences for going with the LX:
http://www.epinions.com/content_7063506564/tk_~CB001.1.25
To each their own!
The latest issue of Consumer Reports looked at various cargo boxes. The Sears is referred to as a luggage box, while there are various categories of Thules, Yakimas and others.
1) Does anyone know if Honda's (tiny-looking) trans cooler is really better, or worse, then a 3rd party one?
2) Do I affect my warranty by letting a non-Honda shop install a non-Honda transmission cooler? (I doubt Honda dealer would install a non-Honda unit.)
Thanks, Nathan
I'm wondering if I got a bad paint job or if it's just a result of winter driving. I've never seen this on any other cars I've owned. And I'm pretty religious about regularly washing it to keep the dirt and salt off.
I haven't taken it back to the dealer yet. I'll probably first take it to a professional detail shop to see what they can do. I'm also considering getting some Zaino clay to see what that would do.
Has anyone else seen this problem or have some additional advice?
Thanks in advance.
Also, what happened to the bookmark accessing feature of this site? I can't seem to locate the many bookmarked items I had saved. Thanks.
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So for $170 the detail shop will completely clean, clay, and add a paint protector. They also suggested installing dust covers. Several high end cars like BMWs and Lincolns already come with dust covers. For $130 I can get a set installed on all the wheels. Essentially they press fit on the inside of the wheel. This way the dust can't get out. And they're vented to help cool the brakes.
Has anyone else installed dust covers? How do they look?
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I think that you have a problem if you are only getting 15 on the highway. I have read posts mentioning numbers as low as 14 MPG, which I did not find alarming because the authors indicated it was for city driving and short trips, but 15 MPG on the highway, I would definitely discuss it with the service writer at the dealer.
rocky cow
And yes, I did turn on the ignition switch...they still don't work. There are five fuse boxes and about 55 fuses...I hate to pull each one to find out which is burned out.
If you get 500 miles or so and still no improvement it would be time to talk to the dealer, assuming you're not trying to break any quarter mile records!
In city driving, try not to stomp on the gas too much. It will take quite a bit of gas to get a 4300lbs vehicle up to speed rapidly.
rockycow
The fuse you are looking for is on driver side under dash fuse box. It is the 4th red color fuse from the bottom of the box with 7.5A label on it.
I found it when I was installing my Donnelly mirror.
Happy driving!
Driver's Under-Dash Fuse/Relay Box - No. 8 (7.5A)WHT/BLK wire from Ignition Switch goes to this use-box location, exits out as YEL/BLK to Passenger fuse box that follows.
Passenger's Under-Dash Fuse/Relay Box - No.9 (15A)
YEL wire from Under-Hood Fuse/Relay Box, exits out as WHT/RED wire to Audio Unit/Front Accessory Power Socket/Rear Accessory Power Socket
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https://esales1.alpine-usa.com/dos/honda/cover_areas_honda.htm
I havn't seen the color chart yet. Does it really look like a Blue and Green color mix as the name "Havasu" says. I suppose it is a light color. I wish someone post the color chart of 2002 Odyssey.
It looks fine to me. I have seen cars with grey leather interior also.
The Fern interior was in the 2000's and 2001's and I didn't see any complaints on this board. It hides dirt and stains well. You should be able to look at dealers lots and see some cars with that interior to be able to judge for your self
rockycow
My V6 sedan (other car) gets 25-26 hwy, filled it up today after city driving, 16.8 mpg.
That's the physics of traffic and stoplights. Overall, I do not think I can complain about the Honda's mileage. It's a large, and not very aerodymanic vehicle and it's actually great that highway mileage is as good as it is. Many small sedans do only marginally better and accomodate fewer bodies and only 1/100th the gear.
When the Odyssey forum first started you could search the entire thread. With this not possible, your help would be appreciated.
Also, if you can post a URL on a good comparison of Honda Extended Warranty offerings, it would be a great help.
GP
Based on my readings on the forum, I checked with 2 on-line sources, and the sent e-mail to the 2 Honda dealers closest to me for their best prices. The best price I found online was $705. One of the local dealers responded to my e-mail within a HALF HOUR by calling. He agreed to meet the $705 price (he said that was only about $100 over his cost). Only downside was that I did have to pay sales tax to a local dealer, but I preferred that to dealing with a dealer out of state.
The low price I found was from Gregallen Vagnini at Union Park Honda Inc. (Wilmington, Delaware) 302-573-5222 e-mail: <GJV1152@Aol.com>
The other source I checked (they post prices for all HondaCare variarions) is: http://www.hondawarranty.net/
As I said, one of my local Lond Island dealers met Gregallen's price so I bought HondaCare from him. The other dealer didn't respond for more than a week and then suggested I call his business manager.
Here is an excerpt of a previous post about an experience with Gregallen:
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HondaCare Bargin by richcolo Mar 09, 2001 (10:34 pm)
As I promised a couple hundred posts ago, he is my experience in dealing with Gregallen Vagnini from Union Park Honda in Wilmington, DE. I e-mailed him at gjv1152@aol.com and asked for a quote for my 1999 EX w/ 32,500 miles, for a 6yr/100,000 miles/$0 deductible HondaCare Warranty. He responded in less than 5 minutes (!) with a quote of $795, and a list of information I would need to e-mail or call him with. I sent the info and he mailed a package to me postmarked the very same day. Unfortunately the application in the package had been filled in with 7yr/100K/$0 for $925--a good price if that's the coverage you want, but it didn't fit for me. I called and left a voicemail for Gregallen, his message indicated that it was his day off. He returned my call and apologized for his mistake the next morning, and got the right application in the mail. I've filled out the application and returned it (with payment) to him. I now expect to receive my receipt from him, and will receive package from Honda with my information in about 45 days. Until then I have a carbon of the application and the contract, and an 800 number at Honda if I need it. I'm a happy camper. BTW, I had checked with my local Honda dealer, and he offered the same warranty to me at $1195, then backed down to $1100 because I bought the ody there, they've done all the service and warranty work, and have botched up getting it done when promised a few times, and because my 3 year old plays with his every week in play group and our wives are friends. When I called to ask if he would like to match $795 he told me "that's a money looser, I'm not in business to loose money, where did you hear this price?" I told him and he asked "Where do you think your going to get it worked on?" I said "At ANY Honda dealer... that's what YOU told me earlier" He very quickly said, "That's right. Be sure you are agreeing to exactly the same thing you asked me about." I reviewed the documents carefully, I'm getting what I want, and I doubt that Union Park is paying just so I'll be a happy customer, I just don't think they are making very much per warranty. I think they are hoping that they will sell many HondaCare contracts at a small markup, while the local guy is worried that he'll not get his markup on the few that he sells if I tell the other folks in town that he sold it to me for less. Well when I tell those folks that Gregallen sold it to me, he (the local) won't even get the small markup from them, will he?
Sorry to be so long, but I hoped to dispel a myth or two... The price does not seem to increase just because you've exceeded 12,000 or 18,000 miles, or because your van is more than 1 year old. Previous posters have reported increases related to those items, I suspect they had spoken to dealers looking for an "angle" to increase profit. If I turn out to be wrong, and my deal falls apart or increases in price I'll report back for a big helping of crow.
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Mike
The Redrock Pearl is definitely more red than burgundy. A shame since the MDX burgundy is dark and rich looking. The Evergreen Pearl is lighter than the Emerald Pearl ('99 - '01).
Colors aside does anyone know when to expect '02's? My guess is early Sept. as that is when the '01's came out. We're first on the list at the dealer and I hope we see the many rumored upgrades. Leather and DVD entertainment are confirmed but HP increase and "mild" refreshening of exterior are not.
up here in Alaska and it states on the door panel that is was manufactured in Canada. Is this a problem?? The internet only talks about the OHIO plant. so first I need info about how the Canadian Plant operates and who they send their Odyssey's to in the USA? When we questioned the sales representative he stated that "The Canadian Plant makes Odyssey's for both the Canadian market and the American market...
IS this True???? if this is true my 2nd question is how do I find out I have a Honda Odyssey that is made for the American market?
On an unrelated topic, our 1 year old van has never been waxed. Any thoughts on when it should receive its first, and how often?
If you live in the U.S. you do not get a factory warranty if you buy an Odyssey made for sale outside the U.S. If the dealer were to sell you one of these, he would have to tell you in writing and have you sign that you understood what you were buying. He would also then supply his own nonfactory warranty. Otherwise you could take it back to the dealer and get all your money back.
I must have a lemon, since I've not experienced the myriad woes with sliding doors, tires, tranny clunks, A/C clunks, pulling to the right or left, etc, ad infinitum.
The vehicle has *never* visited the dealer for service. I changed the oil + filter at 1,000 miles and every 5,000 miles thereafter. I changed the air filter and A/C filter at 30k, 60k and 90k miles and changed the ATF at 45k and 90k. I did the front brake pads at about 60,000 miles. The original Firestone Affinity tires went almost 65,000 miles before I replaced them. I rotate at 5k, 10k and every 10k thereafter.
I did have the CEL & TCS lights come on starting at about 70,000 miles; and found a shade tree mechanic type home brew solution to the problem that does now have a TSB to fix it; but I doubt seriously if I'll get any dealer to do it gratis at 98,000 miles.
It will have to go in for the timing belt change at 105,000 miles, so that will be it's first dealer visit. I wish Honda would get with the times, and eliminate this ridiculous requirement for their engines; but I guess their dealer service departments need to have something to do.
Hope this answers your question.
I lived in Canada for a period of 6 months (wink wink nod nod). While there I purchased a 1999 EX at Canadian list - still, this was below US invoice (as published then). To execute the deal I needed a Canadian DL. I was able to get back both GST and PST (another words all Canadian tax). When I registered in US I paid state sales tax (NY). With NAFTA, there are no duties. The only other two considerations were NHTSA (US safety standards) and EPA standards. For Canadian built cars, both of these were not issues for bringing in the 1999 Odyssey (and still are not issues for any Canadian built cars). Paper work was needed, but no big deal. Crossing the border is a non-event - just make sure to get documentation that shows you brought it in (some form from customs).
The bad news -- as stated in this forum, Honda US is a real pain in the back side. Even when presented with proof of living in Canada and new US residency, they would not transfer warranty. I did not push because we: A) Had no problems in Warranty and
From my understanding, the Canadian Odyssey is the car I would have gotten in the US (in 1999) except for heated mirrors and driving lights (come standard on Canadian version).
The mileage - at 57,000KM <35,000+ miles> (yes - we left all the gauges the way they were - no big deal looking at the inner ring of the speedometer) we have had no issues and would buy again.
One transient issue is a pretty serious "THUMP" when put into reverse. This only happens once a month and is not repeatable (atleat not to me). Tried the "park on slight incline and put into gear" routine --- no luck. And hence the reason for the extended warranty - (with sliding doors, etc) I don't want to be on the hook if the transmission issue comes home to roost.
Also, my appologies for long post - some info may be of use.
If the dealership did not know whether or not it has a belt, that would be one dealer service department that I would avoid like the plague.