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Anybody want to trade a manual for an automatic?
Why is overdrive geared so high? 2800 RPM at 70? (Guesstimating the RPM)
I would definitely reccomend the 5 speed if you are considering purchasing an Aerio.
My excitement for this car has completely worn off. My brake clunk is back full force. My door panels buzz. My car continues to have stumbling problems as well as inconsistent performance (sometimes the car hauls butt and feels fast; other times it feels slow no matter how hard you push on the gas. I've never seen an engine that hates revving as much as this one. Something has to be wrong with my fuel delivery system.) I'm going to try my hardest to get rid of it within the next year. Only three things impress me with this car: interior room, excellent driver seat comfort, and great sounding stereo. Otherwise, I'm ready to run back to the Hyundai store.
Thank you so much for your input. Just on question though: I am not questioning you at all, but I am just wondering where did you learn that the Suzuki system is from Subaru. If that's the case that would be a good news since Subaru does make good AWD systems, even for those older 9:1 split ones. Again, thank you so much.
Chrison
Thank you so much for your input. Just on question though: I am not questioning you at all, but I am just wondering where did you learn that the Suzuki system is from Subaru. If that's the case that would be a good news since Subaru does make good AWD systems, even for those older 9:1 split ones. Again, thank you so much.
Chrison
From what I've heard, it is significantly zeppier without the auto tranny and AWD.
Automatics have an overdrive lockout that lets you in to overdrive after the engine reaches operating temperature. Kind of a drag if you are in any kind of cold climate. Several miles in 3rd gear or a number of minutes spent warming up the car every morning.
AWD also needs two or three differential oil changes before 100K.
Never had AWD on any car I owned & managed to stay out of the ditches.
I'll have to do more driving with the windows down and the radio off to pick up on any bad noises. I'm still glad I picked up a Japanese-made vehicle for the same price as a stripped Rio Cinco.
Suzuki Aerio SX (NOT AWD, and still undecided on manual or automatic, suggestions or comments on this are also appreciated)
Toyota Matrix FWD, manual, with power package option (I can't believe power windows and doors are still not standard!)
Ford Focus ZTW Wagon
Any suggestions/comments/thoughts? Thanks very much!
Kerry
Both Matrix and Aerio have their gives and takes and I am sure you can find all the info from previous threads.
Just a humble piece of advice: Please don't buy Focus. Some people mentioned they have been driving their Focus for 2-3 years and there's no issue... but more can't wait to get rid of their Focus' in less than 2 years of ownership. I do talk to differnt dealerships. I heard that quite a few of their customers just wanted to get rid of their Focus due to the ridiculous number of mechanical problems. What I want to say is that the European Ford definitely knows how to engineer a great car (Focus is indeed an excellent compact car in terms of performance), but the American Ford just can't build them well enough.
Chrison
First off, the cruise control on this car is one of the worst I have ever encountered. It is very slow to engage and very inaccurate. You must leave your foot on the pedal a full 5 seconds until you feel the pedal grabbed from underneath you or face the car loosing at least 5 mph before the stupid thing engages. I pressed down on the lever and held it there about 5 seconds to slow me down, which it did, but when I released it, it sped right back up to almost the same speed it was originally set at, thus causing me to hit the brakes. The cruise also sometimes causes the speedometer to constantly change back and forth 1 mph, which can be distracting at night.
Secondly, the high speed setting for the windshield wipers is too slow and inadequate for the highway. They can't keep up with a florida torrential downpour. I also noticed that when stopped at a light, the high speed setting literally rocks the car from side to side, which is quite annoying. It would be nice if Suzuki offered an intermittent setting for the rear wiper, because most of the time, the regular speed is too fast, thus causing me to turn it on and off often.
At 80 mph, this car is no quieter than my former $10k 2000 Hyundai Accent hatchback with 89 horsepower at the same speed. I expected a more expensive Japanese car to be better insulated and smoother, but honestly, this engine is no smoother and just as loud as that old tech 12 valve four banger in the Hyundai. Another surprise is the fact the much more powerful Aerio feels more strained at that speed than the Hyundai. Aerodynamic drag must play a big role in this as the Accent had a very good .31 drag coefficient.
I do have one compliment for the SX. Stability in heavy rain is impressive, even with the B traction rated original tires. I drove through a rain storm so horrible that most of the highway was on the side of the road. I was one of the few brave enough to push through it. At 45 mph, I couldn't see hardly anything in front of me thanks to the slow wipers, but by golly, the car stayed firmly planted to the road and never tried to hydroplane. I have driven through similar downpours in both a 00 Accent and 97 Nissan Altima and had trouble keeping the cars in a straight line due to hydroplaning.
As far as the ride is concerned, for the most part it is well controlled and comfortable on the highway. However, when you hit raised expansion strips on overpasses or bridges, the ride does become abrupt and the car jumps to the side slightly (giving it a sort of skittish feel). Potholes and other bumps are felt as a sharp jolt when in the city. These two shortcomings is probably where the comments in magazines about busy or rough ride came from.
Anyway, i just thought I would share these thoughts. Any other Aerio owners notice similar things?
Yes, there are a couple of quirks. I have a little bit of buzz from panels now and again, (I also have a fairly powerful stereo system that pushes some decent low frequency volume), and I do have the infamous brake clunk whenever I go from forward to reverse and vice versa. Neither issue is causing me to lose any sleep though, or spoiling my enjoyment of this excellent little car.
In all I think it's an unbeatable combination of utility, performance and value.
All in all I thought it was one of the more accurate. My old Dodge "Dienasty" was plus or minus 7 mph up and down hills.
Agree the intermittent rear wiper, it needs it. Suzuki might spend five more dollars next time on the 04's to add this feature. I had forgotten how bad hatch backs are about the back window getting too crudded up to see out of. Not a problem with sedans.
I hadn't noticed any problems with the front wipers not able to keep up.
As to the ride, it is a little car with a short wheelbase. I guess I can't expect it to ride like a Crown Victoria. Bad stretches of highway are almost nausea inducing in the Aerio. Makes you appreciate freshly paved roads.
On a side note, I need to take my car in to the dealer, because it has a bad pull to the right. Grrrr.........
I'm beginning to wonder if automakers have forgotten how to build a good quality clutch or simply concentrate their entire budget on making a better automatic. I noticed in the Mazda Protege5 board a number of different people have complained about their clutch slipping. The clutch was always weak feeling and shuddered a bit in my Accent and was replaced under warranty at 22k, but it never acted as bad as my Aerio. And now that I truly hate this car, I'm stuck with a huge loss thanks to Suzuki's horrible resale value.
It's okay to mention problems here, but by also posting them in our problems discussions, this will make it easier for you to focus on your issue, as well as meet other owners that are experiencing the same problem. Not to mention, it's been shown that numerous postings of recurring problems (on the internet) have encouraged manufactures to come up with solutions... they may have been inclined to ignore.
Thanks for your participation!
Revka
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- Japanese Quality
- Very Fully Featured
- Good Warranty
- Excellent IIHS Crash Test Results
- Low Real-World Price (relative to Matrix/Vibe, comparable to Focus)
Aerio SX Cons
- Steep depreciation (go Matrix if you'll keep it less than 5 years)
- Few Dealers
- Disappointing IIHS Bumper-Test Results
- Low plastic front end may invite trouble with curbs and ice-chunks.
I gave quick look at PT, Protoge5 & Golf and dismissed them all (PT - don't trust Chrysler, Protoge5 too small and low, Golf too cramped and trouble-prone). I looked very hard at Focus and Matrix/Vibe.
Focus lost when I finally admitted to having very modest luck with 5 prior Fords bought new over last 25 years. Matirx was nice, but a 5-Spd virtually impossible to find and costs $4K more (real-world, not sticker) than Aerio SX when comparably-equipped. Same story with Vibe... no sticks available, priced a little lower than Matrix after rebates, bigger depreciation hit).
Felt Aerio gave best long-term prospects for trouble-free use, with all desired features, for much less money. This car will be in my fasmily for at least 5 years, so the depreciation issue wasn't a big deal to me.
Took me all of 3 days to get used to the Aerio's digital dash... Glare from chrome rings and difficulty reading red displays on Matrix/Vibe dash would have annoyed me for years.
Either choice is a good one though. Even the Focus wagon was an attractive package at an aggressive price.
The Aerio's real-world price-competitors are Kia Rio, Focus and maybe Elantra (is it a hatch?). In this field, I think the Aerio blows 'em away.
Your comments about usable cabin storage are well-taken... Aerio lacks. It's brakes?... I dunno, haven't discerned any shortcomings yet, but am aware others have said so. OE tires?... they're all pretty modest in this class of cars.
Sorry you're unhappy but to some degree, you do get what you pay for.
p.s. I wouldn't be so quick to state the Aerio blows the competition away at even a 12.5k price. The Elantra has a higher quality interior, similar engine performance, a better warranty, and a roomy interior. The only thing the Aerio really excels at is amazing room in a small package. But I feel its cons far outweigh its pros.
km(10,000 mi) now.......thought I'd share our likes/dislikes as well.
Overall, I think we're pretty happy with our purchase.......we needed
something economical enough for daily commuting/grocery-getting while being
spacious and comfortable enough for vacations, camping trips etc. We
replaced our 1993 Sidekick (200,000 km) and will likely keep the Aerio for
commuting/around town when we pay it off in 2 more years and buy something
a little bigger(but not too big) for camping etc. If we were buying it
strictly for commuting, we probably would've gone for something like an
Echo, as it's fuel economy is way superior (Echo's city rating is the same
as Aerio's highway rating). The Aerio (at least in hatchback form) is a
good value and very well equipped compared to similar vehicles like the
Matrix/Vibe, Protege5, Focus ZX5 and Golf. Likes: amazing interior space,
very comfortable seats (on our 5,000 km trip to the east coast last summer,
we had a few 9-10hr drives......I usually get a stiff back/sore legs after
a few hours in a car but not in this one), decent power (not blazing...we
have the automatic...but certainly competitive), easy to get in and out of,
tall driving position, perfectly reliable to date (fingers crossed!),
dealer service has been okay around here, distinctive looks (especially
from the front), good crash ratings. Things we don't like: interior door
buzzes (although, to be fair, even the much-vaunted Corolla in Edmund's
latest test had a number of buzzes, rattles, etc.), styling can be somewhat
cartoonish from some angles, no doubt emphasized by the smallish wheels and
tires......a wider track, longer wheelbase (push those wheels out to the
corners!) and at least 16" wheels and tires would help......and, while
we're on the subject of tires, V-rated tires with mediocre wear and
traction ratings have no place on a car like this....a more sensible
speed-rating and longer wear characteristics would be appreciated; lack of
oddment storage.....no place for cellphones, sunglasses etc.; while we
appreciate a cargo privacy cover, we don't appreciate the fact that it's
too low to be useful; ground effects are also a bit low and
impractical.......a more integrated approach like the Protege5 instead of
the Aerio's "tacked on" approach would be better; fuel economy could be
better (no doubt affected by poor aerodynamics)averaged about 29+
miles/imperial gallon since we got it which is about 24 miles/us
gallon...highest was 35(28 us)last summer during our trip; wind and road
noise too high and ride a little bouncy over some surfaces. Also, engine
boom at around 11-1200 rpm (if idling in that range upon start up in our
garage, the sound pressure level on your eardrums is quite
intense.....sounds like a low bass note being played through a
sub-woofer!).......also noticeable when coasting to a stop and the rev's
cycle down through that range. We're ok with the digital dash, although I
wouldn't complain if they put an analogue one in......not really an issue
though. Athough it seems like there are alot of negatives here, most are
very minor and easily fixed by Suzuki just "sweating the details" a little
more.
In summary, the easy fixes are:
-change the tires to a more reasonable speed rating with longer wear and
bump the size to 16"
-recalibrate the suspension for a less-jouncy ride
-raise the cargo cover 3-4" (a retractable one would be nice too!)
-recalibrate exhaust system/engine to reduce "boom" @ 1100 rpm
-improve "oddment" storage in the interior
-improve NVH levels/ergonomics
-as Suzuki is a "small car specialist", they should be able to be more
competitive in fuel economy
-better-integrate and raise the ground effects a bit
-give the rear wiper an intermittent setting
All-in-all, though, we love our Aerio......ABS worked great, love the
heated side mirrors, heater warms up quicky (though floor output is a bit
weak), with some Nokian NRW's, we got through a particularly nasty winter
despite the low ground clearance, and it can really swallow a lot of stuff
(once you remove the cargo cover). There still isn't anything on the market
that can touch it for the price........with a little more attention to
detail, it could be even more competitive.
On a side note, frenchcar......interested to see you're looking for a used
Sidekick.......as I mentioned, we replaced our 1993 4 door JLX with the
Aerio. Saw some home video of one of our camping trips in the
Sidekick.....made me really miss that vehicle......200,000 kms and nothing
broke......still had the front half (cat-forward) of the original exhaust
system.......even the original muffler lasted over 7 years! Really just did
oil changes and routine maintenance...still had original
shocks/struts........got 100 kms out of each set of tires......never any
alignment or brake problems........all the "power-everything" still worked,
never any 4WD issues or problems, in other
words---bulletproof!........while the Aerio will hold more stuff, it's not
as "happy" doing it as the rear suspension sags somewhat.....Sidekick, even
fully loaded was always level.......even with 2 or 3 bikes hanging on the
back.........had to leave the bikes at home with the Aerio! And while the
Aerio with the snows was virtually unstoppable this winter, I missed the
ground clearance of the Sidekick and wasn't able to get into a stormwater
pond "skating rink" that would've been a piece of cake with the Sidekick.
Something to consider for our next vehicle purchase, I guess! Cheers!
Our Sidekick didn't seem to use much oil at all,
only a slight top-up (maybe 1/2 a litre) between oil changes which I tried to do every 5,000 km.
(sorry, we're metric up here!) Pretty sure we changed the timing belt around the 100,000 km mark and I guess it was due again when we traded
@ 196,000 km. Ours was a gun-metal grey 4 door JLX. These weren't perfect vehicles from a NVH perspective and at only 96 hp, not exactly rockets either. Nevertheless, it never let us down or left us stranded.....seat material held up well, a/c and all the power locks/windows/mirrors all worked flawlessly etc.
The ride was pretty harsh and strong crosswinds seemed to pull the tops of the door/window frames away from the body with much accompanying wind noise, so it was a bit tedious on long trips but sometimes I wish that we'd kept it.We were rear-ended 3 times, 2 of them causing no more damage than a bent tow hook.....the cars that hit us hit the bumper straight on, below the spare, thankfully. The other one was a different story, with a 5 ton tow truck hitting us from the side at the rear....just clipped the bumper (small dent in left corner of bumper) but then contacted the spare (from the left side), ripping it right off the door (& breaking the rear glass, of course) and actually spinning the whole vehicle around. My son had a small bruise behind his ear where he contacted the other rear seat tha was reclined slightly forward(to make more cargo room) but other than that, we were ok. If it had hit us broadside instead of just clipping the rear (mainly because of the tire) it probably would have been a different story. Anyway, good luck with your search, and continued good luck with your Aerio. I'm taking my snows off this weekend (was going to do it last weekend but we got hit with a major ice/snow storm) and will need to give it a good wash/wax pretty soon.
All these cars are so small that the one attribute that was "must-have" for me was good crashworthiness (within its class).
Your other points are well-taken, Hyundais have come a long way and Kia is not too far behind.
Aside from one participant that's had more than the usual share of problems, it seems most of members here are doing okay, especially considering this is a fairly new design. And many of us know there are often more bugs with first/second year models.
This is not to say that someone experiencing problems should not be taken seriously. No doubt, it can be very frustrating dealing with new model bugs, especially since the dealer is also dealing with them for the first time, they usually take longer to fix. Guess that's one of the known risks with purchasing a new design- it may take a couple extra trips to the dealer for every new problem that arises.
However, I suppose the trade off is the excitement of being one of the first on the road with the new vehicle! Anyway, my 2 cents on the subject.
If there are others that are still pleased with their Aerio SX's, I hope they'll also share their thoughts. Thanks for your participation!
Revka
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One of the reasons we like having separate discussions set aside for problems, is so members (in our main vehicle discussions) that are not experiencing problems can focus on other subjects... and enjoy their ownership experience.
This is not to make light of problems, btw. I think people will find that their problems with get better focus in our problems discussions. Not to mention, it will also be easier for us to keep track of recurring problems in these discussions.
Hope you understand that our aim is to help everyone here. If you have any question/comments regarding this matter, please send me an email. Please do not address this matter with me here. Thanks!
And now, let's get back to the subject of the Suzuki Aerio SX! ;-)
Revka
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I purchased a leftover 2002 5spd w/abs in January. I paid $12,190. As of this note (2500mi) I still consider it a great deal, I get 33 mpg and it goes like er heck. This is my 4th Suzuki (car) the other 3 were Sprint/metro's. I love the cheap prices, wonderfully reliable, simple transportation. The Aerio is a great step forward for Suzuki, I comparison shopped the Matrix/Vibe, Protage5, Gulf, Focus. All things considered, the Aerio sx beats them
The noise from the back does get loud when the seats are down. The brakes do make that thunkclunk every so often. I have not had lockup or traction issues yet. No door buzzes to speak of.
This is my first new new car since 1996. I'd say that I'm more satisfied than I was when I drove that Escort LX wagon off the lot back then.
I know I paid less money for the Suzuki than for EITHER Escort wagon I bought new. Unique or not, the car is an underdog amongst the Toyotas and Hondas. I like that they put in most of the frills for one price instead of having those option groups that limit one's ability to select a car right off the lot OR end up paying for stuff you don't want and can't really negotiate off the sales price.
I have my JD Power survey sitting incomplete at home because I have to talk with the sales manager about a few minor issues - lack of variety on the lot being the main one.
Guess what? There was only one 5sp SX on the entire lot. Black wasn't my first choice, but, like a Model T buyer.... Now, when I went to look at the Matrix or the PT Cruiser, there were many choices, but none had the 5sp/FWD or a plain jane base model (one PT, yes, but a 2002 leftover). Suzuki, on the other hand, might have fewer cars to choose from, but options end up being based on abs, tranny, and AWD/FWD instead of stripped vs. loaded vs. the whole enchilada.
Has anyone encountered oil usage in their Aerio? I checked the oil last weekend and discovered it was down 3/4 of a quart! It has been 4000 miles since my last oil change, but I find it odd it would start using oil on its 3rd oil change, unless the engine is suddenly breaking in more. I've never had a new car use this much oil. Oil blowby could be the explanation for the pinging noise I hear under full throttle. Oil leakage unto the clutch plate could explain my driveline issues. Than again some engines tend to use oil during break-in period so that's why I'm asking.
I did this check once last year but since we have more Aerio owners in here, I figured I would ask again. Does anyone have a loose fog lamp? My passenger side fog lamp is very loose. You can move it all around with your hand. The dealer supposedly ordered me a new rubber grommet back in November, but they stated it was on back order, leading me to believe it is a common problem. I haven't heard from them since and I followed up on the order twice (that awesome Suzuki service kicking in). I'm just trying to find out how tight everyone else's fog lamps are. I'm going to take my car in later this month to have them change the oil, rotate the tires, fix the brake clunk for the second time, do an alignment since my car has developed a bad pull to the right, and demand they fix my fog lamp.
I would appreciate ANYONE answering back with checks on their fog lights and whether they have encountered any oil usage.
As I suggested above, let's take problems to our Suzuki Aerio problem discussions on the Maintenance & Repair board, so we can focus on other subjects here. If you post a question or response in the other discussion, you can let members here know about it. Hope this is helpful.
For future reference, look for a direct link to our Aerio problems discussion in the Helpful Links on the left side of the page. Thanks for your participation! ;-)
Revka
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