Is the F150 the #1 selling vehcle, or is it the entire F series?
I have not seen a breakdown on sales, only the hearsay that GM has outsold Ford in the half-ton market for years. It does make sense, seeing as Ford had cornered the market with the Super Duties, while both makes sold nearly the same total number of trucks. -Eric
The Toyota cluster looks like it would be more at home in the Ford Taurus of a few years ago, when they went oval crazy. But what I really don't like about it are the split gauges. I like them all clustered together where I can keep a good eye on them. I'm looking for three needles sticking up in the 12-1 o'clock position. A quick glance lets me know everything is normal.
If you think the Tundra's interior is "oval shaped and curvy" than what do you think of the F150's interior? That's probably the "curviest" dash I've ever seen.
It's just a matter of getting used to. Prior to my Tacoma, I drove a 93' Chevy Blazer with digital dash. I really liked the design, and thought that it was the best thing since sliced bread. It was very comfortable to read, but so is my current Taco dash. One glance and I have all the info I need. I just got used to new design, thats all.
You're right, it's pretty curvy and "countoured"! The King Ranch leather seats look dang good though. But as I've said, I can't get past the looks of the F150's sheet metal. The Ford heavy-duty truck exterior is one of the best looking, but I just can't warm up to the F150's. The one thing I DO like alot about F150s is Ford's 5.4L engine. In my opinion, probably the best overall 1/2 ton truck V8 in current production.
I think the Tundra and F150 are quite similar looking, both inside and out. I don't mind since I like the look. But I agree with you on the Ford Superduty. I think it's the best looking pickup out there hands down. For 1/2 tons I think the Silverado is a little plain looking, but not bad. Frankly, I wish all auto companies would be a little more conservative in their styling as Chevy has done with the 'Rado, instead of creating these ridiculously over-styled vehicles that seem to be plaguing the market. For compacts, I like the look of the tacoma best, followed closely by the S10 ZR2, and then the ranger.
I happen to agree with scorpio, I think its a matter of getting used to. The Tundra dash is pretty simple lookin if ya ask me. The Silverados seems too concentrated, too many gauges and lights to look at. Sure I still think interior of Tunrda could be improved. Whether its actually curvy and girly looking lol, dont think so.
I also agree with F1 regarding matter of opinions. F1 and Bama get labeled as defensive because they have what they believe are good trucks and are very opinionated. Takes strong opinions to have a good discussion as well as open minds. I can think of quite a few GM lovers in these threads that are just as opinionated. Some people in general will continue to love a truck due to its manufacturer with no regard to its actual performance, design, safety or much else. Not much you can do about that I suppose.
I was beside one going home last night long enough to actually look at it. I always did think the bed looked too long for wheelbase. Last night I noticed the front end looks like they used the tires/wheels off a Tercel. All fender and no tire/wheel!
T100 is definitely a little off looking lol. I think Toyota did the public as well as themselves a service by replacing it with Tundra. Out of all truck manufacturers, I think Chevy has kept a pretty good look over the many years. With early glimpses of some of these transformer like trucks, designs many of us have come to love may soon be part of past.
I agree with eagle63. I wish these companies would stop overstyling. When I buy a big truck, I want it to look like a big truck! I think the new 3500 Chevys are horrendous looking. I can't stand the new Dodge look either. It looks more like a sports car than a truck.
I realize it's all opinion, and I guess that's why they redesign these things every few years. But if this is the future of trucks, I may have to start building my own.
However, I kind of like the 1500 Chevys. They didn't go out and make the things all curvy and smooth. It looks like a real truck.
But to stay on topic, I think the ugliest trucks are the ones (can't remember the names) with like 6-8 doors or a quad cab with an extended cab. Those look ridiculous. They look like limos with beds... and the sad part is they're outrageously expensive.
I'll agree T-100 was a conservative design. I actually like the concept, but something about the bed of truck throws it off to me, doesn't look like it quite fits the truck. I happen to think Tundras design fits better.
After owning my Tundra for a year and a half and 30k miles I still find myself admiring it when it is clean; it is a damned good looking truck. I guess I'm kind of partial to it though.
I think it looks quite a bit better than the T-100 also. I'm sure the T-100 is a good truck, I see many of them on the road, but it does look a little whimpy next to the Tundra.
All the compact trucks look whimpy next to the Tundra.
If the wheelbase was a little longer, the T-100 would probably be a decent looking truck. It was also a nice sized truck. too small of an engine though.
I thought it looked pretty good. I have a Tundra now but I still catch a glimpse of these trucks when I pass them. I personally liked the regular cab long box 4X4s like I had and I think the wheelbase looked fine. When the Xtracabs came along I think the wheelbase should have been stretched a bit. Even though I have my Tundra I might get another Regular cab 4X4 T100 some day for a work truck.
The 2WDs are a different story. What they did with the Tundra 2WDS when compared to the old 2WD T100s is like night and day. They actually have some ride height to them (the Tundra 2wds). I think the 4wds had prety good styling with the beefy 31 tires and the such but the 2wds left a lot to be desired...
are mediocre. I do like the truck's frontal aspect as seen head-on. But when you look at the truck's profile, the bed seems too short and too wide, and I hate the ex-cab's curved-up rear window at the base. Plus, it just doesn't seem to have the Tacoma's high stance and ground clearance. If only they made the Tundra a bigger version of the Tacoma (IMHO by far the best looking compact), minus that funky new grill...
F-150 is damn ugly...too curvy...the Super-dutys are the best looking full-sizes out there.
Chevy...looks good in ex-cab, but the crew-cabs are ugly for some reason...Ford did the crew cab much better with more room also.
Dodge...what can I say? The new Ram looks like it was designed for the California street scene and rappers...
Motortrend compared a Tundra to a HD? Chev with a 6L engine. They loaded both trucks with 1000lb. The Tundra outaccelerated the Chev 0-60 and outbroke it by 32ft from 60-0. Those Chev HDs? are wimpy! And those S-10 drivetrains will be breaking quick whether you work them or not.
why don't you go read the Silverado Problems, GMC Knocking Engine and Duramax with Allison threads and count the number of people with buyer's remorse who want their money back on their so-called "heavy-duty" GMC trucks?
Shiny ones? Yeah, I guess them foreign ones ARE shiny when compared to all those GMC cars and trucks with the notorious peeling-paint!
Too bad the name of this thread isn't "Ugly/horrendous looking and sounding pick-up trucks and their owners." An ugly Chevy with its peeling paint and knocking engine would be a major contender...especially with a toothless tobacco-spittin' straw-hat wearin' hickbonics-speaking rubein behind the wheel...
Rubein im thinkin from the sounds of it, that you see more horses and barns in a day than trucks and trailers. Im not sure what your message was but im guessin youre not a fan of dem forien ones.
You're embarrasing the rest of us tacoma owners with your "if toyota don't make it,nobody needs it "aditude.We all know here that I'm one of those people with "buyer's remorse",but what bothers me isn't that my truck isn't perfect.What bothers me is nobody makes one better,and Tundra isn't even in my market.BTW you're the one that recomended a ford PSD to tow the same load I tow with my TACO BAMA :RE comparing Tundra to an HD.If you consider the weight difference,the HD looks pretty good.Compare Tundra's acceleration and braking to a Kenworth.Pretty impressive(unless you need a truck) kip
embarassing Tacoma owners, just think how rubein, 52farminchevy and obyone must be embarassing Chevy owners. Funny you didn't mention that...
Your words:
"We all know here that I'm one of those people with "buyer's remorse",but what bothers me isn't that my truck isn't perfect.What bothers me is nobody makes one better,and Tundra isn't even in my market"
So basically people in your market are kind of out of luck until Toyota offers something for them?
As far as my recommending a Ford PSD to that particular poster: he was looking for a used, high-mileage relatively inexpensive truck to tow with. A used PSD with manny transmission would have filled the bill nicely.
According to Motor Trend there was 200lb difference in test weight. And this was comparing the extended cab Tundra to a HD? crew cab Chev! They are using WAY too much plastic in those new Chevs!
BAMA : didn't read MT but according to Edmonds weight 1500HD 5461 Tundra 4276 payload 3139 2011 towing cap 10300 7200 The tundra is a sporty little grocery getter,but that's all. PLUTO : You know I've had disagreements with overzealous chevy owners too,so don't feel singled out.As for being "out of luck until Toyota offers something"Have you ever heard the phrase "do the best you can with what you've got"?I'm not going to sit home wringing my hands saying "what if my truck don't make it",nor am I going to buy one that I know won't do the job and just stay home.To me ,a buss pass would make more sense than a tundra.Tundra huals 200 lb more than my taco but takes up almost as much space as a big truck.It also uses as much gas as a big truck. kip
some of you points about the Tundra (which is why one doesn't sit in my driveway), I wouldn't call it a "sporty little grocery getter." For the majority of people who actually need a truck, it will be for towing U-haul trailers, or their 20' boat, or materials for home-improvement projects, or going to the dump, etc. Many of these folks live in cities where parking and driving a 1 ton crew-cab would be impractical. This is the Tundra's target consumer. Believe it or not, most people do not need a truck that can tow 10,000lbs plus. I know not a single person who tows a horse trailer loaded to capacity or a monster-boat weighing 5+ tons.
While a bus pass may make more sense to you than a Tundra, a Tundra makes more sense to me than your Chevy (heck, FOR ME, the Tacoma makes more sense than both of these trucks). I would never use the Chevy (or even Tundra for that matter) to its potential. So why would I choose the Chevy over the Toyota when the Chevy seems to suffer from so many more problems? No thanks, I'll pass on the wonderful Chevy ownership experiences I keep reading and hearing about.
I think it's high time people dropped their egos that seem directly proportionate to the size of their truck. I wouldn't compare a Tundra to a Ranger or S-10 and beat my chest, like so many of the Chevy/Ford guys do. Rather, I look at how well a truck does what it was designed to do. For the typical Joe who lives in the city and needs a truck for the purposes I mentioned, the Tundra is an excellent choice. If I needed to tow a 12,000lb horse trailer, I wouldn't look at any of the 1/2 ton Chevys or Fords. I guess what I'm trying to say is that just because a truck doesn't fill YOUR needs doesn't mean it's worthless. This is a concept that is lost on so many of the Chevy/Ford/Dodge guys.
I'm sticking with my original statement,but you have some valid points.The tundra AS WELL AS the rado reg cab S/B,F150 reg cab S/B,and both dodges fit your description of most people's needs for a grocery geter/comfortable commuter.I've said before "any half-ton PU will tow your ski boat". But the topic is "ugly and horrendous"and I like the looks of the Tundra.My taco is ugly. kip
i be gessin that farmer boob is one o them chev owners now. she be hangin aroun the chev dealer waitin for em to fix her truck right. she goin to be a waitin for a long long time now.
these chev folks just don't have much sense when it comes to facts.
While I will agree that the owner's manual may say a HD can haul 3000lb, if the truck takes 162 ft to stop from 60mph with 1000 lb - would you dare put more load on it? You would be taking your life in your hands.
Motor Trend described the brakes as "scary". They said they saw whole countries go by in their windows when they tried to stop.
And where is the mighty Chev's ponies - hiding? A Tundra with a 4.7L blows it away 0-60 loaded and empty.
It amazes me that they claim this abomination is "HD".
Add 70's era interior and exterior styling and you have one ugly, very limited truck. It might be a good grocery getter, but just don't put too much weight in it - the brakes can't take it.
I share the same opinions and couldn't agree with ya more. I really wanted the Tacoma but turned away due to no rear doors. Now they have the double cab thing which just doesnt strike me right. Truck designs keep changing so often now, so who knows whats in store next few years. Tacoma still the best lookin truck in its class if ya ask me.
L.A.MT-I agree with you on the double cab truck thing. The thing with them is the short bed. One of my requirements for a truck is that it have a useable bed. To me, anything less than 6.5 feet is really too short to haul most of the stuff you use a pickup truck to haul. That Explorer Sport Track is a perfect example of this. You couldn't haul a sofa in that bed. I couldn't even put my bikes or surfboard back there. The bed on that thing is square.
get yerself a big3 one. not only is them big3 ones breakin down all the time, the paint is flyin off em too.
see for yerself in the silverado problems. that's the truth bout those chevies now, they be hunks of junk for sure. they're good for being hauled away.
Tex if anything, you're good for a laugh sometimes. I admire your loyalty to american made junk. Hey but at least you stand behind the stuff, just make sure you jump ship before ya drown in it.
Your spouting lies, read it again. The Tundra came far from beating the Chevy in acceleration loaded. You are so off, look at those passing #'s too 1.3 for the Chevy vs. 1.8 for the Tundra. Look at the onramp acceleration the chevy beats it again.
What ol' Bama is neglecting to tell you is that MT used a GM 3/4 ton in that comparison. The 1500HD is a 3/4 ton pickup with a 4-door club cab, 2500LD drivetrain and a curb weight of nearly 5800lbs . It tows 10000lbs, hauls 2800lbs, and the 300hp rated V8 puts down about 250 rwhp.
The Tundra has a 4500lb curb weight, can tow 7000lbs, haul 1350lbs before bottoming out, has a 245hp rated V8 which puts out 189 rwhp. The curb weight #s are 4wd models from Edmunds. The 0-60 times Bama posted are nearly the same(0.2s), and the HD is moving an additional 1200-1300lbs! Impressive!
By Bama's fuzzy logic, a Tundra with 1000lbs in the bed that outaccelerates an unloaded Kenworth diesel tractor 0-60 makes that same Tundra a better load mover! As usual, his logic requires *ahem* a slight leap of faith! Tundras are engineered for a degree of speed in exchange for lighter load capacity. The HD Bama ridicules, can move loads at interstate speeds that would destroy the Tundra's lighter drivetrain and suspension!!
Unlike Bama, I won't bash a truck I don't own over this data since the Tundra has it's clear advantages in other areas, but a chimpanzee could see that GM has a distinct advantage in this area.
Now there Bama, you were blubbering some rubbish about how weak the "Chev" is....? Better get your act together...your insecurity is showing!
"What ol' Bama is neglecting to tell you is that MT used a GM 3/4 ton in that comparison."
What? You mean that GM 3/4ton trucks are ALL that weak? Wow - I'm amazed that you would admit that!
"The 1500HD is a 3/4 ton pickup with a 4-door club cab, 2500LD drivetrain and a curb weight of nearly 5800lbs. It tows 10000lbs, hauls 2800lbs"
Motor Trend said they could see countries going by their windows with just 1000lb load. Can you imagine trying to load it with 2800lb? You would have to have a death wish!
As far as acceleration goes, it is clear that Tundra is much more capable of towing 1000lb. Does it really matter what the Chev sales brochure says?
"By Bama's fuzzy logic, a Tundra with 1000lbs in the bed that outaccelerates an unloaded Kenworth diesel tractor 0-60 makes that same Tundra a better load mover!"
No, but Kenworths don't have WEAK BRAKES!!!
"The HD Bama ridicules, can move loads at interstate speeds..."
As long as you don't plan on stopping!!! LMAO
"Now take a look at data for a comparison of a GM 1500LD vs. a Tundra loaded/unloaded:"
Gee Hilly - weren't we talking about how weak 1500HDs are? Now that you mention it though - the Tundra loaded with 1350lb outbrakes an empty 1500 Shakerado. They have a family inheritance of dangerous brakes.
"Unlike Bama, I won't bash a truck I don't own over this data since the Tundra has it's clear advantages in other areas, but a chimpanzee could see that GM has a distinct advantage in this area."
A Chimp can see that a truck that is dangerous loaded with 1000lb is not much use - except for hauling groceries.
"Now there Bama, you were blubbering some rubbish about how weak the "Chev" is....? Better get your act together...your insecurity is showing!"
Aren't you the one trying to shore up the Chev pack's runt?
Hilly - don't be silly - If you want a truck to pose in that can't be worked - the Chev 1500HD is the truck for you.
you're a waste of time.Toyota quality?I could give you(and myself)that one,but Toyota capability?TUNDRA capability?LMAO I bought my taco for a reliable daily driver and the 2500HD for what it CAN DO. kip
In post 144 you listed 15 lines of rehashed rubbish, but never once adressed what my last post was all about. You got a short memory, Bama. We were talking acceleration under load, remember??!!
Sounds like this battle needs to be settled the old fashioned way. We need to have ourselves a truck tug-of-war. Bama's Tundra vs. one of our Silverado 1500's. Hook them up back to back and who ever pulls the other one's truck past a certain distance wins!! Put 1,000 lbs in the back and try it again.
I agree. We should run a test. How about you get one Chev HD(?), load 1000lb on it and I will get one Tundra and load 1000lb on it.
We will both accelerate to 60mph (Of course the Chev HD(?) will take a little longer to get there). 140ft from a 300ft cliff we will both slam on our brakes.
I will send flowers and attend the funeral of the unfortunate Chev HD(?) driver.
You are correct ! Tug of war to see which truck is toughest ! I remember my younger days in so. Fla. Thats how they did it then...But now its B.S. on the net ! But I am a old fart now! .....LOL ! .......Geo
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I have not seen a breakdown on sales, only the hearsay that GM has outsold Ford in the half-ton market for years. It does make sense, seeing as Ford had cornered the market with the Super Duties, while both makes sold nearly the same total number of trucks.
-Eric
Prior to my Tacoma, I drove a 93' Chevy Blazer with digital dash. I really liked the design, and thought that it was the best thing since sliced bread. It was very comfortable to read, but so is my current Taco dash. One glance and I have all the info I need. I just got used to new design, thats all.
Yes, it is F-series I stand corrected.
http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/f150/gallery/
You're right, it's pretty curvy and "countoured"! The King Ranch leather seats look dang good though. But as I've said, I can't get past the looks of the F150's sheet metal. The Ford heavy-duty truck exterior is one of the best looking, but I just can't warm up to the F150's. The one thing I DO like alot about F150s is Ford's 5.4L engine. In my opinion, probably the best overall 1/2 ton truck V8 in current production.
I also agree with F1 regarding matter of opinions. F1 and Bama get labeled as defensive because they have what they believe are good trucks and are very opinionated. Takes strong opinions to have a good discussion as well as open minds. I can think of quite a few GM lovers in these threads that are just as opinionated. Some people in general will continue to love a truck due to its manufacturer with no regard to its actual performance, design, safety or much else. Not much you can do about that I suppose.
I realize it's all opinion, and I guess that's why they redesign these things every few years. But if this is the future of trucks, I may have to start building my own.
However, I kind of like the 1500 Chevys. They didn't go out and make the things all curvy and smooth. It looks like a real truck.
But to stay on topic, I think the ugliest trucks are the ones (can't remember the names) with like 6-8 doors or a quad cab with an extended cab. Those look ridiculous. They look like limos with beds... and the sad part is they're outrageously expensive.
I think it looks quite a bit better than the T-100 also. I'm sure the T-100 is a good truck, I see many of them on the road, but it does look a little whimpy next to the Tundra.
All the compact trucks look whimpy next to the Tundra.
duh...
I personally liked the regular cab long box 4X4s like I had and I think the wheelbase looked fine. When the Xtracabs came along I think the wheelbase should have been stretched a bit. Even though I have my Tundra I might get another Regular cab 4X4 T100 some day for a work truck.
The 2WDs are a different story. What they did with the Tundra 2WDS when compared to the old 2WD T100s is like night and day. They actually have some ride height to them (the Tundra 2wds). I think the 4wds had prety good styling with the beefy 31 tires and the such but the 2wds left a lot to be desired...
F-150 is damn ugly...too curvy...the Super-dutys are the best looking full-sizes out there.
Chevy...looks good in ex-cab, but the crew-cabs are ugly for some reason...Ford did the crew cab much better with more room also.
Dodge...what can I say? The new Ram looks like it was designed for the California street scene and rappers...
Hey, maybe if more people fired back at stupid posts like that to begin with the people posting them would stop. I personally find it annoying.
Libby(rube) just can't accept these simple facts.
Shiny ones? Yeah, I guess them foreign ones ARE shiny when compared to all those GMC cars and trucks with the notorious peeling-paint!
Too bad the name of this thread isn't "Ugly/horrendous looking and sounding pick-up trucks and their owners." An ugly Chevy with its peeling paint and knocking engine would be a major contender...especially with a toothless tobacco-spittin' straw-hat wearin' hickbonics-speaking rubein behind the wheel...
BAMA :RE comparing Tundra to an HD.If you consider the weight difference,the HD looks pretty good.Compare Tundra's acceleration and braking to a Kenworth.Pretty impressive(unless you need a truck)
kip
Your words:
"We all know here that I'm one of those people with "buyer's remorse",but what bothers me isn't that my truck isn't perfect.What bothers me is nobody makes one better,and Tundra isn't even in my market"
So basically people in your market are kind of out of luck until Toyota offers something for them?
As far as my recommending a Ford PSD to that particular poster: he was looking for a used, high-mileage relatively inexpensive truck to tow with. A used PSD with manny transmission would have filled the bill nicely.
weight 1500HD 5461 Tundra 4276
payload 3139 2011
towing cap 10300 7200
The tundra is a sporty little grocery getter,but that's all.
PLUTO : You know I've had disagreements with overzealous chevy owners too,so don't feel singled out.As for being "out of luck until Toyota offers something"Have you ever heard the phrase "do the best you can with what you've got"?I'm not going to sit home wringing my hands saying "what if my truck don't make it",nor am I going to buy one that I know won't do the job and just stay home.To me ,a buss pass would make more sense than a tundra.Tundra huals 200 lb more than my taco but takes up almost as much space as a big truck.It also uses as much gas as a big truck.
kip
While a bus pass may make more sense to you than a Tundra, a Tundra makes more sense to me than your Chevy (heck, FOR ME, the Tacoma makes more sense than both of these trucks). I would never use the Chevy (or even Tundra for that matter) to its potential. So why would I choose the Chevy over the Toyota when the Chevy seems to suffer from so many more problems? No thanks, I'll pass on the wonderful Chevy ownership experiences I keep reading and hearing about.
I think it's high time people dropped their egos that seem directly proportionate to the size of their truck. I wouldn't compare a Tundra to a Ranger or S-10 and beat my chest, like so many of the Chevy/Ford guys do. Rather, I look at how well a truck does what it was designed to do. For the typical Joe who lives in the city and needs a truck for the purposes I mentioned, the Tundra is an excellent choice. If I needed to tow a 12,000lb horse trailer, I wouldn't look at any of the 1/2 ton Chevys or Fords. I guess what I'm trying to say is that just because a truck doesn't fill YOUR needs doesn't mean it's worthless. This is a concept that is lost on so many of the Chevy/Ford/Dodge guys.
But the topic is "ugly and horrendous"and I like the looks of the Tundra.My taco is ugly.
kip
these chev folks just don't have much sense when it comes to facts.
Motor Trend described the brakes as "scary". They said they saw whole countries go by in their windows when they tried to stop.
And where is the mighty Chev's ponies - hiding? A Tundra with a 4.7L blows it away 0-60 loaded and empty.
It amazes me that they claim this abomination is "HD".
Add 70's era interior and exterior styling and you have one ugly, very limited truck. It might be a good grocery getter, but just don't put too much weight in it - the brakes can't take it.
see for yerself in the silverado problems. that's the truth bout those chevies now, they be hunks of junk for sure. they're good for being hauled away.
March '02 Motor Trend Page 78:
Shakerado 0-60 empty: 9.1
Tundra 0-60 empty: 8.2
Shakerado 0-60 loaded with 1000lb: 10.3
Tundra 0-60 loaded with 1000lb: 10.1
The Tundra has a 4500lb curb weight, can tow 7000lbs, haul 1350lbs before bottoming out, has a 245hp rated V8 which puts out 189 rwhp. The curb weight #s are 4wd models from Edmunds. The 0-60 times Bama posted are nearly the same(0.2s), and the HD is moving an additional 1200-1300lbs! Impressive!
By Bama's fuzzy logic, a Tundra with 1000lbs in the bed that outaccelerates an unloaded Kenworth diesel tractor 0-60 makes that same Tundra a better load mover! As usual, his logic requires *ahem* a slight leap of faith! Tundras are engineered for a degree of speed in exchange for lighter load capacity. The HD Bama ridicules, can move loads at interstate speeds that would destroy the Tundra's lighter drivetrain and suspension!!
Now take a look at data for a comparison of a GM 1500LD vs. a Tundra loaded/unloaded:
http://www.trucktrend.com/editorial/article_popup.jsp?id=30189&sidebar=1
0-60 empty/1000lb load
Chevy 7.79s/9.34s
Tundra 8.06s/9.86s
quarter-mile empty/1000lb load
Chevy 15.83s/16.88s
Tundra 16.16s/85.84s
Unlike Bama, I won't bash a truck I don't own over this data since the Tundra has it's clear advantages in other areas, but a chimpanzee could see that GM has a distinct advantage in this area.
Now there Bama, you were blubbering some rubbish about how weak the "Chev" is....? Better get your act together...your insecurity is showing!
What? You mean that GM 3/4ton trucks are ALL that weak? Wow - I'm amazed that you would admit that!
"The 1500HD is a 3/4 ton pickup with a 4-door club cab, 2500LD drivetrain and a curb weight of nearly 5800lbs. It tows 10000lbs, hauls 2800lbs"
Motor Trend said they could see countries going by their windows with just 1000lb load.
Can you imagine trying to load it with 2800lb? You would have to have a death wish!
As far as acceleration goes, it is clear that Tundra is much more capable of towing 1000lb. Does it really matter what the Chev sales brochure says?
"By Bama's fuzzy logic, a Tundra with 1000lbs in the bed that outaccelerates an unloaded Kenworth diesel tractor 0-60 makes that same Tundra a better load mover!"
No, but Kenworths don't have WEAK BRAKES!!!
"The HD Bama ridicules, can move loads at interstate speeds..."
As long as you don't plan on stopping!!! LMAO
"Now take a look at data for a comparison of a GM 1500LD vs. a Tundra loaded/unloaded:"
Gee Hilly - weren't we talking about how weak 1500HDs are? Now that you mention it though - the Tundra loaded with 1350lb outbrakes an empty 1500 Shakerado. They have a family inheritance of dangerous brakes.
"Unlike Bama, I won't bash a truck I don't own over this data since the Tundra has it's clear advantages in other areas, but a chimpanzee could see that GM has a distinct advantage in this area."
A Chimp can see that a truck that is dangerous loaded with 1000lb is not much use - except for hauling groceries.
"Now there Bama, you were blubbering some rubbish about how weak the "Chev" is....? Better get your act together...your insecurity is showing!"
Aren't you the one trying to shore up the Chev pack's runt?
Hilly - don't be silly - If you want a truck to pose in that can't be worked - the Chev 1500HD is the truck for you.
I bought my taco for a reliable daily driver and the 2500HD for what it CAN DO.
kip
No? I didn't think so....
Hook them up back to back and who ever pulls the other one's truck past a certain distance wins!! Put 1,000 lbs in the back and try it again.
Bama, what city/state do you live in?
We will both accelerate to 60mph (Of course the Chev HD(?) will take a little longer to get there). 140ft from a 300ft cliff we will both slam on our brakes.
I will send flowers and attend the funeral of the unfortunate Chev HD(?) driver.
Tug of war to see which truck is
toughest ! I remember my younger
days in so. Fla. Thats how they
did it then...But now its B.S.
on the net !
But I am a old fart now! .....LOL !
.......Geo
Your truck has no power, and some tourque. That's about all it has.
Look at the size of the 1500 or 1500 HD compared to your Tundra. Just a bit bigger huh??
And don't you get laughed at in Alabama for having that thing?? I would laugh at you.
And why would someone ever drive toward a cliff at 60 MPh with 1000 LBS in the bed??
I would love to see your TRD package getting pulled out of a tight sopt by our Rado's!!
Your Toyota is just that a Toyota. Just admit it's a girl truck!! More for people who can't buy a real truck.
Maybe if Toyota came out with a 5+ liter on a diesel I would agree with you.
What I would likr to see is a 2500 with the 8.1(496) hitch up to your rear end and pull the other way!. That would be one sorry site to see..
But back to the subject. I hink the Avalaache is the ugliest truck out there now, besides the Azteck.
Funny how your tundra is lighter and all... Never seen a Tundra off-road.. Don't think they can hack it...
Why don't you guys just admit your Tundra is just what the name brand suggests: Toyota.
It's a Camry with bigger wheels and 4x4!