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Sweendogy - Any particular reason you're looking for a 335 xi w/ sport or M Sport pkg? Only reason I ask is because BMW's Sport Pkg & M Sport PKG on AWD cars differs from the corresponding RWD cars. You still get the bigger (very cool btw) 18" wheels, the rear diffuser (M Sport), the black trim around the windows, the awesome sport seats, but you DO NOT get the upgraded sport suspension. I have to say that Im very happy with the more than capable base suspension set up of my 328xi.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
You'll like the dark side:)
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
*Note, I don't wish the Passat to be added here, just curious as to what FN thought of it
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Let me just say, that the Passt does not qualify as a ELLPS, price wise the SEL fits, however the luxury part it falls very short. The ride is very busy, hard to put a finger one it, but it does not have the German feel that the old passt had. That DSG transmission is incredible, the shift at lighting quick, when places in sport mode, it holds the gear like one would except to hold it . However, the DSG has some jerky moments at low speed, almost like it is caught off guard driving slow, the max torque comes on at a very low 1750 which if you are not careful you will light the tires off leaving a light. Zipping around town the little 2 liter is hard pressed to know it is a diesel, no clatter, no smoke, no turbo lag.. Now VW does have a higher HP version of the 2 liter in Europe, which would fit better in the Passt, merging onto the freeway can be a chore but once you are at 65 mph zipping up to 80 is not a problem, and cruising a long at 80 the car has a very relaxed feel.
Fit and finish is first rate, we were impressed with that, the wind noise that Healey complained about we did not hear, so maybe VW fixed the problem. The front seats are very comfortable lots of room up front, now the rear leg room will rivial an S class and or A8, I had no problems crossing my legs in the bad, head room was a little short for me, but livable.
Overall I have to say, we both liked the Passt, but at 33K and the dealers are not dealing on them, not too sure if it is the right car for us. Now going to the web site http://www.myturbodiesel.com/ is loaded with information on the VW TDI and DSG transmission.
I think VW has a winner on their hands, yeah it is Motor Trends Car of the Year, fix the ride, add a sport package and have diesel come down in price, then we might buy one.
Having read peoples true world MPG, it is not uncommon for people to get better then what the EPA post for the TDI, so almost 50 on the highway is not uncommon. According to VW a Passt TDI can travel 795 miles on a tank on the highway...
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
My best fruend's parents have a place in Boca Raton. He went to visit them & went with his Dad to drop off their GL 450 for service. He said every single car in the showroom was Black/Black with 4Matic.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Don't ask me why, but I've never liked diesels, probably never will. Whatever you gain in MPG is more than offset by the higher prices for diesel fuel. So, no desire for any sort of diesel....let alone one of the VW variety.
Personally, I can't see anything current, or on the foreseeable horizon that would make me want to jump in the driver's seat for a test drive.
BTW.....you drive much more interesting rental cars than I do. Mine are Impalas, Malibus, Altimas, Corollas, Kias, Fusions, etc. I should probably stay loyal to one rental company, however. At least I could give them a reason to put me in one of their premium sleds to use as a free upgrade.
I jump from one to the other, though. Very little loyalty to any of them. Although, I probably use Enterprise more than the others. Might throw some business to Hertz this year to see what they'll do for me.
It will be interesting to see what VW does with the passt, right now you can lease a Passt S for $205/m for 36/months with ZERO down... Talking about leases currently the Jetta and Passt TDI residual is at a whopping 58% but I coldn't get the money factor out of the dealer unless I filled out an credit app. So I'm betting the money factor is on the high side.
Sweeny should check Chicago area dealers as well as Detroit what a way to get accustomed to your new car then on a road trip home.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Graphic go test a drive a TDI just for fun, I would love to know what you think since you aren't a diesel fan, my partner was just like you, didn't like them didn't want one. But after reading about them and all the praises they have gotten, he is a believer. Now you bring up a good point, cost of fuel, here in Phoenix the cost difference between Regular and Diesel is about .40, and between premium and diesel is about .20. Now the diesel will get roughly 35% better mileage then gas engine car, so basically in the long run, you will save money with the diesel if you keep it at at least 50K miles.
I think one of the biggest draw back to the G is the interior, the first Gen RWD car didn't have the upscale look that it needed. The second gen RWD G again, the interior didn't have the wow factor to it.
Regarding rental cars. The company I work is a very large global company and we have a special account with National. So the price of the car's are at a very heavy discount. I'll give you an example.. When I was in San Diego a couple of weeks ago, the 300C cost me $93 total for two days, now this includes full coverage insurance. If I rented the same car with out the work discount, would have been $199. National has a great deal, join their Emerald club (it is free) and rent mid-size or higher and when you get to the airport you choose your car and drive off for the mid-size price. I have found that they are mid range in price, I had done the Alamo, Thrifty, Dollar but the customer service is horrible and they try and nickel and dime you when you return the car. Currently I have twenty five free rentals I need to use this year or will loose them. Airlines I have stopped flying UA all together, and book most of my travels on US. I throw AA some bones once in a while (my flight to miami)
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
- Ray
Seen many overinflated tires on dealer lots....
I've actually done a little research and have noticed the mags like the car and say to go with the manual - and I can tell you the vw does manuals (not Acura crisp- but very good)
Let's save the manuals - screw the whales.
Auto 30/40
This is on vw website
And from Your buddy James Healey
•How thirsty? Manual transmission is rated 31 miles per gallon in town, 43 mpg on the highway, 35 in mixed driving. Automatic: 30/40/34.
James also talks of the tHe tranny
•The car "creeps" too aggressively in stop-go traffic. To improve mileage, the VW automatic lacks the fluid-filled torque converter (hence, "dry clutch") that allows a conventional automatic to ease ahead slowly, smoothly, gently in bad traffic, but burns extra fuel doing so.
I'm sure the dsg is a fine component but I'll take the manual-
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2012/04/infiniti-g-plans-hy- - brid-530-hp-v-6-maybe-diesel/1#.T44XchB5mSM
Let's hope they clean up the look - but the idea of a super G and 540hp are cool- if they keep the price inline to where it's still the value leader- and for flight lets hope they make the interior with some "wow"- glad they kept the engine -
They stole the new Lexus Grille!>
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2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Interesting that they're doing a joint venture with Benz. I'd have to believe Benz would want to keep their luxo parts/engineering/technology in-house. Infiniti may forego what they've been touting so far with the G. That is, it's a cheaper knock off of a BMW 3. Maybe they're moving up market and want to go head-to-head with BMW? Including price?
I'm sure that VR6 torque steers & understeers too.
I'm totally digging my 328xi's RWD based platform.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
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U see the numbers on the mpg for the TDI?
Regarding what EPA rates the TDI at, so what, I have read what people are getting in the real world. I posted a website so look for yourself, people are getting better mileage with the DSG then a manual. What I found interesting is, what the EPA rated the Infiniti G and M is highly questionable, I know people who aren't getting what the EPA posted, they are getting worse...
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Tech on the m g z and max are very close I agree. But I would argue they are making an effort - again look at the base 3 and explain to me where the the tech is? I think BMW uses the same radio they did in 1996.. And there is no excuse not to have leather as standard.
Mpg on Infinitis - I own one and I'm not even close on the city rating - I get like 14 which is truck like terrible.
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Here's what aol cars said about the "heavy handling"
"Even without the Sport Package (which adds 20-inch alloys, performance tires, 4-Wheel Active Steer and more), the M37 handles very well. Thrown into a corner, its sport sedan underpinnings (Nissan's shared rear-wheel-drive FM platform) come alive. It's not a track star, but on public roads it's much more capable than 99 percent of its drivers will ever require"
I guess if your tracking your car I would of went with the 3 as well- but then again I also would picked the manual transmission if your a True performance enthiuisius.
I agree with Sween though on the BMW interior, what differences does it make if it has crisp lines, if it looks drab and boring. I do like Audi interior's though.
AS to durability vs. reliablity. I think that guy Mark has it all confused.
He's talking about maintenance costs (or lack thereof because of prepaid plans; whether built-in or added). Maintenance costs have nothing to do with reliability or durability.
Reliability issues come from Chrysler using corroded metals and wires for starter cables, batteries, and terminals. Other issues come from faulty O2 sensors, fuel pumps, O-rings, head gaskets, automatic transmissions that can't go 70K without being rebuilt, parking brake problems, rattles, short-lived belts, AC compressors that can't last 40K.
Reliability issues are things that I have to pay for when I bought a Dodge but never had to pay for when I bought a Honda (and not because of a prepaid built-in maintenance plan aka BMW)!. I had to get brake pads and rotors for both, so that doesn't count. There's just a million things and parts that break down on a domestic product that never seem to be an issue in my Japanese and German experiences.
Put your money where your mouth is..... somehow, I don't think you will sign this contract... :sick: :surprise:
This opinion is based upon yearly new car purchases. Even when comparing German to German vehicles, BMW is a sporty luxury vehicle as is Audi while I've found Mercedes to be a luxury sport sedan. I currently own a 2012 E350 sport sedan and find it more ergonomically satisfying than the other German entrants.
But Lexus is a bit more "relaxed" while Infiniti is a bit "stiffer" ergonomically! I would compare Infiniti more closely with BMW and Audi - than with Mercedes or Lesus. In fact, Lexus is in a class by itself as is Mercedes - each quite different ergonomically from Audi, BMW and Infiniti.
I truly enjoy the Mercedes interior and refinements and find its ergonomics to be somewhat of a cross between the subtler Lexus and the stiffer BMW-Audi-Infiniti.
Let's face it - all entrants here have successfully enjoyed gains in US market-share. The reason is that each attracts followers of different needs and desires.
Just thought I'd share some thoughts and experiences.
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