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My wife once oned a 1998 crv or code name EJ8, on the civic boards no one called it the EJ8-( it came in 5 or 6 different styles with 3 different engines) - lots of variations just like all bmws. :shades:
And to say most enthusiasts know the difference is incorrect. but, i guess I would know the porshe speak if i was a person who test drove such cars on Saturdays with no intension to buy. :shades:
Here is a web site that untangles the mystery of BMW E and F, listing all numbers and what they mean such as F30 is a "6th gen 3-series saloon, 2011".
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-Results/Industry-News/All-the-BMW-E-and- - -F-codenames-explained/
Here is a summary of F model numbers: F01-03, 10-13, 15-16, 20-23, 25, 30-35, 44-46. A summary of E model numbers: E3, 9, 12, 21, 23-26, 28, 30-32, 32/2, 34, 36, 36/5, 36/7, 38, 38/2, 38/3, 39, 46/5, 52, 53, 60, 61, 63, 65-68, 70.
Perhaps BMW could have been putting a small chrome plaque on the trunks of their vehicles showing the E and F numbers.
I would bet a cup of fancy coffee that the vast majority of BMW drivers/owners/leasers, many being the mcmanion variety, have never heard of E or F numbers.
That would make more sense than the current scheme which makes little sense but they'd still have to distinguish between the various powerplants. The F30 with a 2-liter Turbo diesel (320D) is a bit different than the same chassis sporting a 300hp 3 liter gas turbo motor (335i) Perhaps they ought to have something like F30-TD2.0 or F30-T3.0 on the tail.
I would bet a cup of fancy coffee that the vast majority of BMW drivers/owners/leasers, many being the mcmanion [sic]variety, have never heard of E or F numbers.
I'm not sure about the "vast" majority, I'm sure most owners have no clue but enthusiasts know. I thought the Edmunds Townhall was supposed to be a site for auto enthusiasts. Pick up a copy of Road and Track, Car and Driver or Autoweek and I'm sure you'll find references to BMW Type numbers.
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
I don't think enthusiasts need to remember the 2001 525xi was a f32. Seriously BMW guys put down the single malt and the Cuban and comeback to the real world - it's make year and model, then engine- you are not special.
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It depends. The title of this thread includes a number of brands and models including the Acura TL which I have a copy.
This thread covers a number of brands, models. There are threads for a particular make and model. Maybe those are the place where diehard BMW enthusiasts can bask in their "E" and "F" trivia. And, commiserate on their beloved brand being softened for the masses with electric power steering and handling that trails the Cadillac ATS, according to C&D in handling and performance. BMWs today perhaps are mostly for poseurs. Mcmansion types. We know who they are.
Enjoy the stick 328 wagon - don't know the code is but great rig
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And the Altima challenge was very one sided if you ask me- :shades:
As somebody who posts quite a bit in other Edmund's forums but only mostly reads this one, I do find this forum has quite a bit more attitude than others. Perhaps fitting of the "higher-end" snobbish stereotype that I'm sure the forum posters don't want to convey to a general audience? (not directed at you, but a general comment on the "ELLPS" forum.
Im not saying anyone has violated this, but here is the Edmunds Member Conduct Agreement for perspective:
"We welcome all points of view on automotive matters. However, although interactions within the Community Services occur in cyberspace, everyday manners apply. Please respect and interact with fellow Members as you would in any public arena. Civility and respect underlie the success of an on-line community; if you wish to take issue with the statements of other Members or the Hosts, please engage in healthy, mature debate and not immature behavior or name-calling. While we want to maintain an inviting environment for all visitors, disruptive conduct, such as off-topic comments in a topic-oriented discussion in the Forums, is not allowed. Neither is "spam" (e.g., posting your message in multiple places throughout the Forums)."
As for the BMW "E" and "F" designations. I agree most people dont have them all memorized (and who does?). On the other hand, we are mostly enthusiasts in this group and since it is the ELLPS thread, the only BMW being routinely discussed here is the 3-Series. And over the past 30 years, there have only been five (sedans):
E30, E36, E46, E90, F30
The E90 (2005-2012) and F30 (2012-present) are clearly the most talked about here so if you only know those two, you're good to go. And if you dont want to learn them, thats ok too - you probably call them "Beemers" anyways so it doesnt matter
But, for that one-in-a-hundred mention of a rogue E-car, if you're curious there are ways to be in the know. For example, people have used the M-B "W" codes here before. I dont know them, but google is just a couple keystrokes away...
Thogh of course since it won't come with a manual it will be off some people's lists for that.
I would agree, but it appears to be due only to one or two people. This board was really active for quite awhile years ago, then went dead for quite some time when the regulars who populated it moved on to a couple of other boards. There was no hint of attitude in the "old days" that I recall.
When it came back to life, there was, and is. The majority of people (not posts, people) on here these days are fine and have interesting points of view. For the others, well, that's what the scroll wheel is all about.
It appears that BMW and Ford do the same thing these days... This is what happens when people want a quite car the soul if taken from them.
the supercharged 6, 10x outta 10. The 6 gives you as marginal mpg boost as the 8 gives you speed. But the sound of the 4.2 is sweet! The supercharged 6, not in the ballpark. & I feel good having ready available E93 ethanol free in my area, which I've noticed gives me 1-2 more mpg than corn swill.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
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Since neither will new BMW wagon, it's a fair game for me. At some point I liked the idea of V50 T5, but it did not have manual tranny, either - then it disapeared altogether. Saab was a decent entry, at some point you could get Aero wagon with manual. I liked its looks, I did not drive one, but I could imagine. RIP, Saab.
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2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
Does anyone have any details on this?
I hope its not all special stiched seats, special color seats, paint job or badging.
If they beefed up the torque, power, suspension and nicer wheels, probably that will arouse my attention.
TL Special Edition
Will it be based on the platform of the 2009-2013 models? Sorry. Don't know what the code number was for these years' cars, otherwise would use it here.
So my wife has a 2007 TLwith a lot of miles on odo and does not like the styling of the current GEN. So, she has a UA6-UA7. She has had TLs - a 2001, 2004 and 2007 currently. When I log off, how should I ask her how she likes her UA6-UA7 compared to her previous 2001 UA what? She has had the UA8-UA9 for loaners a couple of times and besides the styling was not impressed with these. So, am I in sync with the "required" vernacular on this thread?
the 04- the 07 was part of the Third generation (UA6-UA7)- this is considered the creme del la creme of the TL cycle thus far- infact the 07 and 08 were the years to get as they upgraded it a bit- the TL-s came with brembos and other goodies and is best of breed of all TLs. For future reference- even if they are rarely talked about First generation (UA1-UA3 and current is the Fourth generation (UA8-UA9), current gen has lost it's audience and is well known as the beak.
Hope that helps.
I will probably go German next but time will tell.
"Honda's Acura Division reported on June 3 that it sold 12,434 Acura TLs year-to-date through May, a drop of 15.3 percent compared to a year ago."
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Does anybody have the actual TL sales numbers 2004 - 2008 to compare them with the TL sales numbers from 2009 - 2013?
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
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Edit - see the link, There is Euro delivery price on 328d, so no problem. Seems you were misinformed.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=378186&stc=1&d=1369- 332610
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I'm very attached to my TL-S and start to hyperventilate when I think of another car I will have to buy and drive (eventually).
It is low mileage 78000, will turn 11 in November, dealer maintained. 2 "bumps" were fixed.
I don't know or feel any problems. The question is since I am emotional about this car and
can't let go of it. I already had an old car that I was pouring money into until they couldn't fix it and I was getting stalled at red lights and I gave up after being towed 3 times...yep, that's me.)
I saw that this is the last year when I can get a $1,500 loyalty bonus.
Should I be car shopping?
I went to the test drive today of both 2013 TL and SH options, my car feels more like SH, but I don't like the gas usage- 18mpg city b/c that's where I drive. I get 21 mpg now.
i am not comfortable in the seat - the headrest is bothering me and side visibility isn't good for me either. The TL is feeling much tighter.
I am afraid that I won't be able to sell a 2003 car later. I enjoy my car and would buy the same one, only new :-) Thank you for your advice
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I will hold on some more to my Pearly White SH.
I am hoping that the new model year will look more European and not like what I am seeing coming out of Japan right now- Lexus and Infiniti.
Billy....Saw that blurb on the TL SE. I've heard no rumors....not even a hint, that they plan on bringing out a TL-S. That said, I'm not sure what they would have in the cupboard that would warrant a TL-S. Not sure what the 3.5L from the current RLX would net them. Maybe slap some Brembos and fancy wheels on a regular TL...include their PAWS system. Aside from that, what more could they do given what we know of their available drivetrains? Maybe slap the hybrid motivation that's coming out later this year for the RLX?
Still, for the roughly $40K my sister just paid for her TL SH AWD Advance, I don't see anything remotely close to it for that kind of money given the level of performance and the content.
Similar deal with manual tranny. I once, couple of years ago or so, went online and checked all dealers within 100 miles of my Tampa. I think five or six, more than 200 3-series in stock at that time. Not a single manual, no matter coupe, sedan, convertible. No wagons, of course, but that's "normal". Florida is really strange market. Majority of Audis sold here are FWD. To me FWD Audi is like decaf - yeah, you can have one, but what's the point.
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