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There's alot of stuff in there, just do a find for "g6"
So it sounds like the 2005 g6 is going to get the 3900 v6 instead of the 3500. Maybe the 3900 will be on GTP edition or "sport" something or other and the 3500 on the base model.
Now click on "powertrain" on the right and "3900" for more info on the engine.
Sounds like the 3900 will have DOD and VVT for 2005 which means it should put out as much power as the Altima's 3500 with SUBSTANTIALLY better mileage. Also 90% of peak torque from 1800 RPM to 5800 RPM. That's an insanely wide power band. The only problem... I doubt they'll have a cheap MT available to slap in there. Maybe the one from the 3.6 CTS, which puts out a comparable amount of torque...
The fact that the 3900 will have DOD for the first model year makes me think the 3500 will definately be available on a base model. I think people will give DOD a wide berth the first model year. If its reliable, I think they'll start to flock to it. Same power better mileage? Sounds good to me.
There's also rumor that she'll get 3 valves/cylinder for 2006 uping the horsepower to 270.
All the g6 needs is an AWD option and I'm there in 2006.
You are right on the money with everything you say. Another common misconception is that OHV is the older technology. I recently found out that OHV was designed AFTER OHC.
I can't wait to see what the G6 is gonna be like with the 3900 engine. Its gonna be real tempting. With the gas mileage close to one of those litte go-kart hybrid cars and faster then the Altima / Accord / Camry. LOOK OUT!!!
You are so misguided son.
The article states that "90 percent of peak torque is available from 1800 rpm to 5800". The redline would have to be somewhere around 6500 RPM give or take a few, same as the 3800 engine.
LOL. LOL LOL LOL
http://media.gm.com/events/sema/sema03gm/
I'll cut right to the chase:
"The 3900 V-6, the latest in GM’s longstanding family of 60-degree V-6 engines. The 3900 will be the first GM overhead valve engine to use variable valve timing, and it will be GM’s first V-6 to use DOD. Its first application will be on the 2005 Pontiac G6."
I'll take my cookie now, please. I'll try to find something about the Ecotec tomorrow.
theo2709 : Thanx for the link
treehumpindog : Wait till you see the finished product before you trash the car. Test cars are always disguised and covered up well. The Detriot show isn't far away.
I can't imagine they will have 3 engines on this car.
> With a 6 speed 170 HP might be plenty for a car that size.
Probably won't happen though, since the 3500 V-6 is the base engine in the new Malibu. You don't often see Pontiac offer a base model with less horsepower than the equivalent Chevy.
> the spy shots of the "new" and very blah G6 show me that GM has no guts, no vision, and no business asking for my business if this is the best they have to offer.
I like the spy shot, especially the way the belt line rises into the trunk and the roofline drops down to meet it. It's hard to tell from a front-quarter shot, but it looks like it has a longer roofline/shorter rear deck than previous Pontiacs, similar in proportion to the current Altima.
> The 2.2L is the base engine in the Malibu.
Dang, you're right. That's got to be underpowered.
Now if they drop the 2.4L in the base Malibu, I think that would be reasonable. The 2.4L will have the same HP as the current engine (2001-2003) with just a little less torque. I would be shocked and appalled if the base engine of the G6 is the 2.2L, especially considering they are saying the base g6 will start (price-wise) where the malibu leaves off. That leads me to think the base will have the 3.5 for the first year and maybe they will put the 2.4 in for the 2nd model year or late first year.
> I think the LS (200HP/220lbft) will be the most
> popular Malibu, or at least it will be more even
> than the 4cyl/6cyl ratios for Camcords
Now that you mention it, it's interesting to compare the 2004 Malibu V-6 with the 2004 Camry LE 4 cyl. The Malibu is 155 lbs heavier (3297 vs. 3142), it has 43 more horsepower (200 vs. 157) and 58 ft/lb more torque (220 vs. 162), yet it achieved the same results in EPA testing -- 23 mpg city, 32 mpg highway. This additional power is produced at lower rpms with less mechanical complexity. Something to think about for those who think OHV engines should be put out to pasture! :-)
breetai52 : No 4 bangers for the G6, initially anyway. I hope it only comes ever with a V6. I always thought the Mazda "6" with a 4 cyl motor was a bit strange.
They claimed it was called G6 because it had a 6 cylinder, let's hope they don't back down from that. Less engine choices should keep prices down and since I would probably opt for the 6cyl anyway...
That being said I wouldn't be too surprised/disappointed to see the 2.4L in the 2006 model, although I hope the 2.2 is only used for the Cobalt/Solstice and equivalent small cars. And if I could handle driving a stick everyday it would probably be a pretty fun car.
Anyone have any news on whether the G6 will have an automanual? Will it only be available on the top trim like the GTP Grand Prix?
Adequate is such a relative term. I have a 2003 Accord with a 240 hp V-6, and I also find it to be adequate. ;-)
breetai52:
The status of the 3900 DOD in the G6 seems a little vague at this point. The media link above says:
"The 3900 will be the first GM overhead valve engine to use variable valve timing, and it will be GM’s first V-6 to use DOD. Its first application will be on the 2005 Pontiac G6."
But it you click on powertrains->3900 V-6 it says:
"GM will first launch the technology on the Gen IV Vortec 5300 V-8 engine and will add it to the 3900 V-6 in 2005. The 3900 will debut without DOD in the all-new, midsize Pontiac G6."
So it seems that there may be two versions of the 3900 in the G6, or more likely, a running change at some point.
For a 6 to 8 percent improvement in fuel economy it doesn't interest me that much. Certainly not as much as the VVT and 240 hp!
I think the engine compares favorably to the Accord V6. The same power, 30 more lbft of torque and probably similar mileage, I'll predict 20/29. The specs so far seem to match up the the Altima V6 and the mileage on the G6 should smoke the Altima. A friend has the 3.5 and she routinely gets below the city mileage of 19 and has never gotten above the highway of 26 (although she drives pretty aggressively). Add DOD and it will beat the Accord. I'm not a "econut" (here come the flames), but increasing a car's range (without adding extra fuel capacity) and bringing up GMs CAFE numbers are always good things.
But why not? Shouldn't we be excited about the future?
The new high output 3.6 which is now in the '04 CTS will probably find its way into some high end version of the G6. It is better in every way than the old 3.5.
its not that GM couldn't have...it's that they were too cheap to and diverted their money elsewhere.
Unfortunately you can't get it in any car even close to the price the Intrigue was.
z9z9z9z9 : I have mostly driven V6 cars and the 2.2L is more than adequate. It does 0-60 in 8.4 seconds in the Alero, only a touch slower than a 2.3L Accord.
theo : No idea how you know the 2.4L will go into the G6 unless you work at GM, but I'll take your word for it.
they successfully did it with the Vortec 4200 in the TrailBlazer for the Vortec 3500 in the Colorado
"in the concept car, the wheels were stretched out to the corners of the car, giving it a taut athletic look. but in the production car, the wheels have been moved back in giving the car a weak stance."
My understanding is the G6 will have the same 112.3 inch wheelbase as the Malibu Maxx, which is just about as far apart as wheels get on a FWD midsize car.
montanafan wrote:
"and the 3.9L OHV 245hp 6 cylinder will be auto/tap shift or 6-speed manual."
Where did you read/hear about a 6-speed manual? I'd love the have a manual G6, but I don't know if GM has a manual FWD transmission that will handle 245 ft/lb torque.
In any case, a 6-speed seems pretty unnesessary on an engine that retains 90% of its maximum torque over a 3000 rpm range. I'd settle for a 5-speed myself.
"A new, compact 6-speed manual gearbox, capable of handling exceptionally high torque loadings, is standard equipment on the 210-hp 2.0T variants."
http://www.gm.com/cgi-bin/pr_display.pl?3427
Unfortunately this is probably an inline transmission. Most of GM's FWD V-6 cars use a so-called "u-drive", with the transmision mounted behind the engine instead of inline.
It doesn't really matter, since GM doesn't have even one of those. If only Ford hadn't been stupid and put a live axle on the 05 Stang...
Because this is the real world and customers want to be able to sit and get in their cars without bumping heads and knees. Concept cars are all fake hand built to entertain the masses who really don't know the difference between a cam or crankshaft.
Whenever I go to Auto Shows, I don't care about concepts since 90% never get built or look like that in realtiy, so why bother geting excited?
Those say "GM/whoever should build this car" are ones who just like to drool over pictures of cars, and not actually are going to buy any new cars ever. Just like the ones who had nervous breakdowns when the F body died, where were you when the cars needed to be sold?
And bob Lutz has more experiance and know how in his little finger than most of the "armchair car execs" here.
"If only Ford hadn't been stupid and put a live axle on the 05 Stang..."
yeah, it is pretty dumb and reeks of cheapness to the highest order. I actually saw some article that said Ford found potential buyers wanted it to be solid axle for drag racing and drag starts or something.
RIIIIIIGGGGHHHHHTTTTTT.........shut up Ford. you're doing it because its CHEAP.
for sure the svt or cobra mustang will get IRS.