Does it mention how big the NAV screen is? I know the Sienna is 6.5", the old Ody is 6", the Accord and MDX are 7", the TSX & RL are 8", so I'm hoping the Ody is also 8".
And I am excited about the compass, but the clincher has to be #2. Who wouldn't upgrade to the touring to get the extra millimeter on the stabilizer bars? ;-)
I would definitely wait and see the pricing before making a decision. Your dealer may be wrong since there are no official prices. Personally I have a hard time believeing an Odyssey, no matter how loaded, will be $40,000.
Besides, Automotive News (the weekly dealer industry magazine) has had two articles on the Quest in the past few weeks. Nissan admits the style was too off-the-wall both inside and out and that they made a mistake. Further, there have been numerous quality control glitches that Nissan is still resolving described in the article. These include a noisy sliding door, power window switches with high failure rates, faulty interior reading lights and seat levers prone to failure. Also note the Quest scored poorly in the 2004 JD Power Initial Quality Study (along with the Titan and Armada, all built at Nissan's new plant in Canton, Miss.). Finally, I am sure the Odyssey will hold its value far better than the Quest, so you'll be better off in the long run come trade-in time.
No matter how you look at it, the Quest has been a failure. Nissan's sales goal was 80,000 - 85,000 units for 2004. They are on pace to sell about 52,000.
Exactly, I'm assuming it has something to do with the larger wheels? For completeness, I included it. Your guess is as good as mine as far as what it means/does.
Does it mention how big the NAV screen is? I know the Sienna is 6.5", the old Ody is 6", the Accord and MDX are 7", the TSX & RL are 8", so I'm hoping the Ody is also 8".
Does it mention how big the NAV screen is? I know the Sienna is 6.5", the old Ody is 6", the Accord and MDX are 7", the TSX & RL are 8", so I'm hoping the Ody is also 8".
"Does it mention how big the NAV screen is? I know the Sienna is 6.5", the old Ody is 6", the Accord and MDX are 7", the TSX & RL are 8", so I'm hoping the Ody is also 8"."
All the rumors say 9"....I also believe the previous models were 7" screen...not 6".
Does it mention how big the NAV screen is? I know the Sienna is 6.5", the old Ody is 6", the Accord and MDX are 7", the TSX & RL are 8", so I'm hoping the Ody is also 8".
Just got back from the product intro ride and drive. I can't reveal much, but I think you are going to really like the car. I don't know what has been shared already, but here are a couple of tidbits. Horsepower 255/torque 250 lbs. Very quiet. Awesome soundsystem-even in the LX. Navi screen looked to be about 7" diagonal with 600 voice recognized commands. Well talk to you folks later.
the one plus seating will only be offered on the EX and the EX-L models. The touring will have a console between the two seats. Also the middle tray between the front seats is much nicer. Only two cup holders in it and the tray is deeper-which should help keep things from sliding off it.
PS. I am now the proud owner ofa 2004 Odyssey EX RES. Just picked up on Saturday.
1. 255 vs. 240 HP 2. 9.05 sec. 0-60 vs. 8.84 3. 132 ft. 60-0 braking vs. 156 4. 36.7 Turning circle vs. 40.0 5. 4634 curb weight v. 4165 6. 118.1 wheelbase vs. 119.3 7. 201 length v. 200 8. 70 heigth v. 68.9 9. 77.1 width v. 77.4 10. 5.9 ground clearance v. 6.9 11. 21 gallon fuel tank vs. 20
First, Sienna has 230HP and 0-60 in 8.3 secs so I don't know what the 9.05 sec vs. 8.84 came from. Second, I don't know who's turning radius is who's but the Sienna's is 36.8 ft.
And lastly, how do you even know the Touring info before any specs are released?
Thanks for the info. Is there much difference between the touring NAV/RES and the EX-L NAV/RES? I ordered the EX-L NAV/RES. A salesman from one of the Honda dealerships I've been speaking with, drove a touring last week. My husband spoke to him today, and my husband asked me why I didn't order the touring. I'm sure there is a few thousand dollar difference. Of course, we all don't know the prices yet. My husband also asked him about the difference in the '04 and '05, and it was about $3500. The salesman just loved the '05 for the safety and power, and new technology, and told him you have to get the '05. The other Honda dealership ordered mine already, and should be in the first shipment. I hope.
I, too want the Touring. But "require" the 8-Passenger. There's too much back and forth on whether or not the middle seat will be an option. Therefore, I am on hold on the Touring. On the other hand I "really want" the power hatch if I have to get an EX-L. Once again, back and forth on whether it will be an option (my sales said yes). I really want the "toys" of the Touring (computer, memory seats, auto on/off headlights, fog lights, etc), but I don't want to spend an arm and a leg for it either. Looks like right now, I'll be getting a Desert Rock EX-L NAV/RES and hope for a power hatch option. I think the Touring might be too pricey for me. I guess I'll know in a few weeks...
In short: I(intensity, dB) = 10*Log10(Ia/Io) (base-10 logarithm) 4 db difference means 10^0.4 = 2.51 similarly, 5db difference means 10^0.5 = sqrt(10) = 3.16... 10db difference in sound intensity makes you feel like (human ears perceive non-linearly) twice as loud. Therefore, a 4dB difference in interior noise intensity of automobiles is possible and easily differentiable (roughly 25% louder) by human ears.
P.S. 1 dB (absolute level) means the sound is barely heard by human ears,
One dB is hardly noticible; 3 db is; that is, when you are trying to tell the difference, but when driving it would be less noticleble than when at home comparing an old record with a CD.
Cold places and drive in daytime: black in and out.
Cold places and drive at nighttime: silver in and out (so your car will be warmer late at night in the cold, if it was in the sun during the day). It will be like making your car a thermos.
Black absorbs about 90% of the sun's energy (note I did not say heat); it 'emits' about 95%, but of the emitted energy, only about 15% of the emitted energy can pass through glass.
White absorbs about 50% of the sun's energy; it emits about 80% of that energy; but about 50% of the emitted energy can pass through the glass.
Silver absorbs about 5 to 10% of the sun's energy; emits about 5% of the energy; about 50 to 60 of the emitted energy can pass through the glass.
Special glass and coating can alter the above. Kool-Coat (TM) mixed with white paint will have an sun energy absorption somewhere between silver and white, depending on the mix.
Some films on glass can help keep out near inferred energy from the sun. Some glass might be better in letting through the far infrared energy emitted by the hot interior of the car.
I live in Southern California. Best solution: white in and out. The super best solution: white in and 'black' chrome on the outside; black chrome has special properties: reflects like a mirror (i.e., reflect about 95 to 98% of the sun's energy), and emits like black paint.
What do I drive? Black on the outside, and dark gray on the inside -- one of the worst possible combinations for southern CA. My next car will be the 2005 ODY with white in and out.
The 70dBA was last year's Car & Driver June 2003. The 67dBA was the June issue of 2004. I believe they said the Sienna was 67, T&C 68, Quest and Ody 70dBA.
Oh, come on. What's a few grand more on something you'll enjoy the next 10 years? I'm going with Silver or Black Touring w/NAV+RES and hopefully beige interior.
Good physics lession. But I just buy the color to LOOK GOOD. I think Silver is usually the best overall color. But if the vehicle has a lot of chrome, then Black might be a great color. I think beige interior looks good with woodtrim. But now that I think about it and the Ody doesn't have woodtrim, perhaps grey might be a better interior color.
Chrome is good. NAV is good, and I hope it's 8", but 7" will do. SO the new ODy gets plenty of chrome on front grille, side glass, and rear garnish. Cool.
Mochisushi, When the info is released you'll have to let me know what you decide. I think the EX-L with Nav/Resi will be an option for us as well.....but it's gonna be really hard for me to pry my hands off of that Touring model they have "ordered" for me. I've never been known for my willpower!
What happened to all you Honda people who dumped on the Sienna for having too many unnecessary 'bell & whistles? The Odyssey was practical, designed for people who don't need the 'latest and greatest,' blah, blah, blah..... Interestingly, all the talk on this board now seems to be about the 'Touring' model. Get ready to help your Honda dealer make his boat payment with the ADP he'll be charging, as the 'Touring' is going to be a small percentage of Odyssey production. I guess bells and whistles are OK now that there's an 'H' on grille.
No, its a done deal. I am fine witht he decision. It was always between Nissan and Honda for me. Price always makes a big difference and I plan on keeping this van for 10 years or more if possible and dont really make too much out of resale value. In my experience, you never really get what you want regardless of what resale value "should" be. Anyway, do the math if the touring starts at $34,000 and dealers are saying the '05 will be about $3,500 more than current model and the nav/res adds another $4,000 to price we are right up there witht he Sienna pricing. This is just the right choice for me and I have done lots of research. Nissan has come out with fixes for almost all of the problems reported by consumers and have a much happier customer base because of it. Most of the complaints came from the owners of the cars that were manufactured very early on in the models production. The van we are actually buying was built less than a month ago practically making it an '05. I am really happy with my decision just as I would have been happy to have an Ody. The Nissan never really was off the table for me. I actually was able to get my DH to let me have silver since I have driven white for so long, but didnt want a dark color car. Sounds like silver stays cooler than white? Did I understand that correctly?
Your equation is correct -- for sound intensity (power over an area - watts per meter squared). People differentiate the loudness of sounds, however, by pressure of the sound on our eardrums. So the loudness that people usually refer to when talking xx dB is sound pressure level (force over an area -- newtons per meter squared -- Pascal). The dB you get from a sound level meter is more accurately denoted as dBspl (decibel for sound pressure level), which has a different equation than your dB for sound intensity.
Without going into all the math, it comes down to for a sound to appear twice as loud to us, it requires 4x the power. So your statement of "10dB difference in sound intensity makes you feel like twice as loud" is generally true, because a +10dB (actually it's +12dB) in intensity computes to a +6dB in sound pressure level. But I got the feeling you're mixing dB in power and dB in sound pressure level.
And we're not even getting into the non-linear frequency response of the human ear and how that affects the perception of loudness.
Yeah, that's making me a little nervous too. I thought I was the only one who wanted the Touring before:-) ??? It was either going to be the Sienna Limited HO or the Ody Touring w/NAV+RES for me. Not too many people wanted the Sienna Limited, so I was comfortable there. But now seems like everyone wants "my" Touring w/NAV+RES :-) I thought everyone was making fun of "my" NAV? Now everyone wants NAV, just because it has 600 voice commands :-) Just turn around, and step slowly away from my Touring w/NAV. GO buy the Sienna Limited, T&C, Quest, or something, okay?
No, let's talk about sound levels:-) I love it:-) So as long as the Ody is only 1 dBA different, the Ody and Sienna should sound similar. It's all good.
That's why I put it in "".....The GM at the dealership where I'm #4 on the list, called a couple of weeks ago and asked what color/trim level I wanted so he could try to get it as part of his initial allocation. They're #1 in this area for sales/service, so here's hoping it comes in sooner rather than later. I'll try my best to be more specific in the future:)
Well I was never in THAT category. My husband and I have been after the "extras" from the beginning....unfortunately for our wallet. We don't care for the exterior look of the Sienna though and they never had more than the base model on the lot to look at around here. We were extremely underwhelmed by the interior of that model. AGAIN, though, when the 05 Ody comes out, we'll most certainly compare feature for feature and see who comes out ahead value-wise. My money is still on the Honda. I'm betting the Ody, even at MSRP, will still give you more for your money. Perhaps we'll find out tommorow........
the dealer may not be able to "order" an exact combo the way a domestic can, but they do have a requisition process. Basically, they request what they want, and there is a sorting out process that Honda goes through to get as many dealers as possible what they are looking for.
You are correct that just because they ask for something, they may not get it right away (if at all), but they do have an upcoming allocation list that you can select from.
I am with amc731 on this. I have always wanted the Touring, but have been counting on the EX-L since it was stated a while back that the Touring would not have the 8-Passenger seating (Top of the required list). If I can get the 8-Passenger in the Touring and not spend a lot, I will do so...otherwise, it is an EX-L with (hopefully) a power hatch option.
Andrew, Yes it may only be a couple thousand more. But we rarely keep our cars for ten years because we drive so much. Our 10 month old Sub already has 30K miles on it. I don't want my wife driving a car with well over 100K miles as I want her and the kids to be safe. Also, with four kids, a couple thousand goes a long ways towards all their after school activities (swimming, karate, gymnastics, band, etc) or saving towards college. So, unfortunately, it isn't quite as easy as that for me. I guess we'll all find out pretty soon.
sorry to inform you, but that is not the way honda works...they tell you how many you can order, and recommend the number of different trims based on previous sales, but the dealer picks the color and trim level....I know i work at a dealer
Don't judge all Siennas from the base model--it's inexpensive for a reason. Make sure you compare apples to apples. If you're considering an Ody with leather, than at least look at a Sienna with leather. Here is PA, there's no shortage of higher trim models at my (relatively small) local dealer, including 3 LE's, 2 LE-AWDs, and 2 XLE's.
Just like a plane, a car's safety has nothing to do with amount of use. It's all about how well it's been maintained. My '98 Volvo has 149,000 miles on it, and I have no worries about my wife's safety, as the car has enjoyed regular scheduled maintenance since new. (And I'M helping my Volvo dealer make HIS boat payment in the process).
Yeah, I know what you mean. Since we're not millionaires, we all have to watch that money and cut what we don't "need". For example, I don't need caller ID on my phone, but I sure need NAV and plenty of chrome:-) I'm sure the EX-L w/NAV+RES is just as good as the Touring. I think the difference between the Ody Touring vs EX-L is a lot less than the difference between the Sienna Limited vs XLE.
please, flock to the Touring and Navi-Res models, and demand 8 seats and power lift gates, so there will be an oversupply of plain EX-L 7-seaters w/o electronic goodies for my wife to pick from.
BJs has a protable DVD system that has screens that hang on the headrest (I think they are detachable, or maybe the whole unit straps to the seat). Anyway, they have a few with various screen sizes in the $200-$400 range. If you really want a RES system and can't handle the price, might be a way to go. Buy 2, so each kid gets there own (no fighting over what to watch).
Where are you in PA? We're in Hbg. We'd definitely check out the Sienna w/leather prior to our purchase. The Toyota dealer closest to us is probably one of the worst dealerships overall -- of any brand -- that we've ever shopped at or dealt with...since we'd be buying from the lowest bidder, so to speak, I'm sure we wouldn't end up buying from them anyway:)
I'm with you Andrew. I'm waiting for the EX-L w/Nav/Res, and I don't need the extras the touring model has. Hey, leather, nav, and res is a lot more than what I have now in the EX, so I'm pretty happy about that. Also, I'm going to get a bonus 8th seat. I'm sure I can live without the better sterio, pax tires, power tailgate, leather wrap, and chrome. I had leather in my other cars, but having the Nav and Res would be great since we go on many trips and an installed dvd would be better than a TV/VCR strapped to the front middle tray, right? I just hope I get the van by 10/6, because the extended lease is over by then, and I don't want to be left without a car.
Well, the general manager of the dealer where I an #1 on the list invited me in to sit down 3 or 4 weeks ago and wanted to ask what I liked since he was putting together his "order" regarding trim levels and color.
How are people coming up with $40k for this van. There is no way that even a fully loaded touring will be that expensive.
The most expensive version now is $31k. Add $1500 for the RES, and you get $32.5k, add 3 % price increase (as per Honda) and it is $33.5k. Now if you need all the bells and whistles (should say want I suppose) then the touring may be $2.5k more.
That is $36k loaded to the gills. This is before discounts - which will happen very shortly (maybe not right away). Toyota is going to be aggressive on price to match Honda, and they are in the game this time (unlike '99). Even the VCM only gets 1 mpg more than the already efficient Sienna. Siennas are going for just over invoice now, and that price will go down when the Odyssey comes out.
It is all good news for the minivan buyer. I am holding off until March or April. The Ody will be discounted, the Sienna will be further disounted.
You're correct. I have put between 125K to 185K on about six Hondas and they still didn't let me down. However, I always start wondering what is going to need replacing next? I something going to give out suddenly? If it is my car, it isn't such a big deal since I only drive it to and from work (25 Miles round trip). However, for the wife and kids (she drives for work and takes that kids all over town for activities), I want to be as confident as possible that there won't be a breakdown. Can't put a price on their safety...
Toyota is going to be aggressive on price to match Honda, and they are in the game this time (unlike '99).
I disagree. The discounts for the Sienna will remain essentially the same. For example, the Toyota Sequoia is still selling with marginal discounts four years after introduction. The competition from Nissan Armada & Chevy Tahoe did not affect the Toyota.
Don't forget, a lot of people prefer the smoothness of a Toyota. The Sienna XLE limited is basically a Lexus minivan.
I still refuse to believe that the '05 Ody will be quieter than a Sienna. Honda has sold rock hard, sporty riding cars for years. Why would they change their target market?
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I know the Sienna is 6.5", the old Ody is 6", the Accord and MDX are 7", the TSX & RL are 8", so I'm hoping the Ody is also 8".
thanks! Some great information.
I knew andrew would love #18
And I am excited about the compass, but the clincher has to be #2. Who wouldn't upgrade to the touring to get the extra millimeter on the stabilizer bars? ;-)
;-)
-juice
Besides, Automotive News (the weekly dealer industry magazine) has had two articles on the Quest in the past few weeks. Nissan admits the style was too off-the-wall both inside and out and that they made a mistake. Further, there have been numerous quality control glitches that Nissan is still resolving described in the article. These include a noisy sliding door, power window switches with high failure rates, faulty interior reading lights and seat levers prone to failure. Also note the Quest scored poorly in the 2004 JD Power Initial Quality Study (along with the Titan and Armada, all built at Nissan's new plant in Canton, Miss.). Finally, I am sure the Odyssey will hold its value far better than the Quest, so you'll be better off in the long run come trade-in time.
No matter how you look at it, the Quest has been a failure. Nissan's sales goal was 80,000 - 85,000 units for 2004. They are on pace to sell about 52,000.
I know the Sienna is 6.5", the old Ody is 6", the Accord and MDX are 7", the TSX & RL are 8", so I'm hoping the Ody is also 8".
No, unfortunatley it does not.
I know the Sienna is 6.5", the old Ody is 6", the Accord and MDX are 7", the TSX & RL are 8", so I'm hoping the Ody is also 8".
No, unfortunatley it does not.
INTERIOR SOUND LEVEL
Idle: 39 dBA
Full-throttle acceleration: 75 dBA
70-mph cruising: 70 dBA
This is retrieved from the Car and Driver site at the following link:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_- id=6647&page_number=2
Where'd you get the 67 dBA at 70mph?
I know the Sienna is 6.5", the old Ody is 6", the Accord and MDX are 7", the TSX & RL are 8", so I'm hoping the Ody is also 8"."
All the rumors say 9"....I also believe the previous models were 7" screen...not 6".
I know the Sienna is 6.5", the old Ody is 6", the Accord and MDX are 7", the TSX & RL are 8", so I'm hoping the Ody is also 8".
No, unfortunatley it does not.
Just got back from the product intro ride and drive. I can't reveal much, but I think you are going to really like the car. I don't know what has been shared already, but here are a couple of tidbits. Horsepower 255/torque 250 lbs. Very quiet. Awesome soundsystem-even in the LX. Navi screen looked to be about 7" diagonal with 600 voice recognized commands. Well talk to you folks later.
PS. I am now the proud owner ofa 2004 Odyssey EX RES. Just picked up on Saturday.
2. 9.05 sec. 0-60 vs. 8.84
3. 132 ft. 60-0 braking vs. 156
4. 36.7 Turning circle vs. 40.0
5. 4634 curb weight v. 4165
6. 118.1 wheelbase vs. 119.3
7. 201 length v. 200
8. 70 heigth v. 68.9
9. 77.1 width v. 77.4
10. 5.9 ground clearance v. 6.9
11. 21 gallon fuel tank vs. 20
First, Sienna has 230HP and 0-60 in 8.3 secs so I don't know what the 9.05 sec vs. 8.84 came from. Second, I don't know who's turning radius is who's but the Sienna's is 36.8 ft.
And lastly, how do you even know the Touring info before any specs are released?
Lynn,
Did you get your DH to hold off yet???
Read some wrong info in previous posts on the meaning of dB (measurement of sound intensity). Here is some good reference
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/db.html#c3
In short:
I(intensity, dB) = 10*Log10(Ia/Io)
(base-10 logarithm)
4 db difference means 10^0.4 = 2.51
similarly, 5db difference means 10^0.5 = sqrt(10) = 3.16...
10db difference in sound intensity makes you feel like (human ears perceive non-linearly) twice as loud. Therefore, a 4dB difference in interior noise intensity of automobiles is possible and easily differentiable (roughly 25% louder) by human ears.
P.S. 1 dB (absolute level) means the sound is barely heard by human ears,
Hope this help to clarify a bit.
+6 dB is four times as loud
+3 dB is twice as loud
-3 dB is half as loud
-6dB is one-forth as loud
-9dB is one-eigth as loud
One dB is hardly noticible; 3 db is; that is, when you are trying to tell the difference, but when driving it would be less noticleble than when at home comparing an old record with a CD.
Cold places and drive in daytime: black in and out.
Cold places and drive at nighttime: silver in and out (so your car will be warmer late at night in the cold, if it was in the sun during the day). It will be like making your car a thermos.
Black absorbs about 90% of the sun's energy (note I did not say heat); it 'emits' about 95%, but of the emitted energy, only about 15% of the emitted energy can pass through glass.
White absorbs about 50% of the sun's energy; it emits about 80% of that energy; but about 50% of the emitted energy can pass through the glass.
Silver absorbs about 5 to 10% of the sun's energy; emits about 5% of the energy; about 50 to 60 of the emitted energy can pass through the glass.
Some films on glass can help keep out near inferred energy from the sun. Some glass might be better in letting through the far infrared energy emitted by the hot interior of the car.
I live in Southern California. Best solution: white in and out. The super best solution: white in and 'black' chrome on the outside; black chrome has special properties: reflects like a mirror (i.e., reflect about 95 to 98% of the sun's energy), and emits like black paint.
What do I drive? Black on the outside, and dark gray on the inside -- one of the worst possible combinations for southern CA. My next car will be the 2005 ODY with white in and out.
Of course Southern Cali is weird where the weather can be 75 on the coast and you drive 10-15 miles inland and the temp is about 95...
I believe they said the Sienna was 67, T&C 68, Quest and Ody 70dBA.
What's a few grand more on something you'll enjoy the next 10 years?
I'm going with Silver or Black Touring w/NAV+RES and hopefully beige interior.
But I just buy the color to LOOK GOOD.
I think Silver is usually the best overall color.
But if the vehicle has a lot of chrome, then Black might be a great color.
I think beige interior looks good with woodtrim.
But now that I think about it and the Ody doesn't have woodtrim, perhaps grey might be a better interior color.
NAV is good, and I hope it's 8", but 7" will do.
SO the new ODy gets plenty of chrome on front grille, side glass, and rear garnish. Cool.
When the info is released you'll have to let me know what you decide. I think the EX-L with Nav/Resi will be an option for us as well.....but it's gonna be really hard for me to pry my hands off of that Touring model they have "ordered" for me. I've never been known for my willpower!
Interestingly, all the talk on this board now seems to be about the 'Touring' model. Get ready to help your Honda dealer make his boat payment with the ADP he'll be charging, as the 'Touring' is going to be a small percentage of Odyssey production. I guess bells and whistles are OK now that there's an 'H' on grille.
Your equation is correct -- for sound intensity (power over an area - watts per meter squared). People differentiate the loudness of sounds, however, by pressure of the sound on our eardrums. So the loudness that people usually refer to when talking xx dB is sound pressure level (force over an area -- newtons per meter squared -- Pascal). The dB you get from a sound level meter is more accurately denoted as dBspl (decibel for sound pressure level), which has a different equation than your dB for sound intensity.
Without going into all the math, it comes down to for a sound to appear twice as loud to us, it requires 4x the power. So your statement of "10dB difference in sound intensity makes you feel like twice as loud" is generally true, because a +10dB (actually it's +12dB) in intensity computes to a +6dB in sound pressure level. But I got the feeling you're mixing dB in power and dB in sound pressure level.
And we're not even getting into the non-linear frequency response of the human ear and how that affects the perception of loudness.
Let's get back to the '05 Odyssey!
I thought I was the only one who wanted the Touring before:-) ???
It was either going to be the Sienna Limited HO or the Ody Touring w/NAV+RES for me. Not too many people wanted the Sienna Limited, so I was comfortable there. But now seems like everyone wants "my" Touring w/NAV+RES :-)
I thought everyone was making fun of "my" NAV?
Now everyone wants NAV, just because it has 600 voice commands :-)
Just turn around, and step slowly away from my Touring w/NAV.
GO buy the Sienna Limited, T&C, Quest, or something, okay?
I love it:-)
So as long as the Ody is only 1 dBA different, the Ody and Sienna should sound similar. It's all good.
You people crack me up....Honda dealerships don't ORDER a car for people. They simply tell you what is coming in and you put your name on the list.
There is NO ordering. Factory sends them cars based on sales. The dealership gets what they get...it's that simple.
You are correct that just because they ask for something, they may not get it right away (if at all), but they do have an upcoming allocation list that you can select from.
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Andrew,
Yes it may only be a couple thousand more. But we rarely keep our cars for ten years because we drive so much. Our 10 month old Sub already has 30K miles on it. I don't want my wife driving a car with well over 100K miles as I want her and the kids to be safe. Also, with four kids, a couple thousand goes a long ways towards all their after school activities (swimming, karate, gymnastics, band, etc) or saving towards college. So, unfortunately, it isn't quite as easy as that for me. I guess we'll all find out pretty soon.
Since we're not millionaires, we all have to watch that money and cut what we don't "need".
For example, I don't need caller ID on my phone, but I sure need NAV and plenty of chrome:-)
I'm sure the EX-L w/NAV+RES is just as good as the Touring.
I think the difference between the Ody Touring vs EX-L is a lot less than the difference between the Sienna Limited vs XLE.
BJs has a protable DVD system that has screens that hang on the headrest (I think they are detachable, or maybe the whole unit straps to the seat). Anyway, they have a few with various screen sizes in the $200-$400 range. If you really want a RES system and can't handle the price, might be a way to go. Buy 2, so each kid gets there own (no fighting over what to watch).
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Well, the general manager of the dealer where I an #1 on the list invited me in to sit down 3 or 4 weeks ago and wanted to ask what I liked since he was putting together his "order" regarding trim levels and color.
The most expensive version now is $31k. Add $1500 for the RES, and you get $32.5k, add 3 % price increase (as per Honda) and it is $33.5k. Now if you need all the bells and whistles (should say want I suppose) then the touring may be $2.5k more.
That is $36k loaded to the gills. This is before discounts - which will happen very shortly (maybe not right away). Toyota is going to be aggressive on price to match Honda, and they are in the game this time (unlike '99). Even the VCM only gets 1 mpg more than the already efficient Sienna. Siennas are going for just over invoice now, and that price will go down when the Odyssey comes out.
It is all good news for the minivan buyer. I am holding off until March or April. The Ody will be discounted, the Sienna will be further disounted.
-juice
I disagree. The discounts for the Sienna will remain essentially the same. For example, the Toyota Sequoia is still selling with marginal discounts four years after introduction. The competition from Nissan Armada & Chevy Tahoe did not affect the Toyota.
Don't forget, a lot of people prefer the smoothness of a Toyota. The Sienna XLE limited is basically a Lexus minivan.
I still refuse to believe that the '05 Ody will be quieter than a Sienna. Honda has sold rock hard, sporty riding cars for years. Why would they change their target market?