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I know the Sienna is 6.5", the old Ody is 6", the Accord and MDX are 7", the TSX & RL are 8", so I'm hoping the Ody is also 8".
thanks! Some great information.
I knew andrew would love #18
And I am excited about the compass, but the clincher has to be #2. Who wouldn't upgrade to the touring to get the extra millimeter on the stabilizer bars? ;-)
;-)
-juice
Besides, Automotive News (the weekly dealer industry magazine) has had two articles on the Quest in the past few weeks. Nissan admits the style was too off-the-wall both inside and out and that they made a mistake. Further, there have been numerous quality control glitches that Nissan is still resolving described in the article. These include a noisy sliding door, power window switches with high failure rates, faulty interior reading lights and seat levers prone to failure. Also note the Quest scored poorly in the 2004 JD Power Initial Quality Study (along with the Titan and Armada, all built at Nissan's new plant in Canton, Miss.). Finally, I am sure the Odyssey will hold its value far better than the Quest, so you'll be better off in the long run come trade-in time.
No matter how you look at it, the Quest has been a failure. Nissan's sales goal was 80,000 - 85,000 units for 2004. They are on pace to sell about 52,000.
I know the Sienna is 6.5", the old Ody is 6", the Accord and MDX are 7", the TSX & RL are 8", so I'm hoping the Ody is also 8".
No, unfortunatley it does not.
I know the Sienna is 6.5", the old Ody is 6", the Accord and MDX are 7", the TSX & RL are 8", so I'm hoping the Ody is also 8".
No, unfortunatley it does not.
INTERIOR SOUND LEVEL
Idle: 39 dBA
Full-throttle acceleration: 75 dBA
70-mph cruising: 70 dBA
This is retrieved from the Car and Driver site at the following link:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_- id=6647&page_number=2
Where'd you get the 67 dBA at 70mph?
I know the Sienna is 6.5", the old Ody is 6", the Accord and MDX are 7", the TSX & RL are 8", so I'm hoping the Ody is also 8"."
All the rumors say 9"....I also believe the previous models were 7" screen...not 6".
I know the Sienna is 6.5", the old Ody is 6", the Accord and MDX are 7", the TSX & RL are 8", so I'm hoping the Ody is also 8".
No, unfortunatley it does not.
Just got back from the product intro ride and drive. I can't reveal much, but I think you are going to really like the car. I don't know what has been shared already, but here are a couple of tidbits. Horsepower 255/torque 250 lbs. Very quiet. Awesome soundsystem-even in the LX. Navi screen looked to be about 7" diagonal with 600 voice recognized commands. Well talk to you folks later.
PS. I am now the proud owner ofa 2004 Odyssey EX RES. Just picked up on Saturday.
2. 9.05 sec. 0-60 vs. 8.84
3. 132 ft. 60-0 braking vs. 156
4. 36.7 Turning circle vs. 40.0
5. 4634 curb weight v. 4165
6. 118.1 wheelbase vs. 119.3
7. 201 length v. 200
8. 70 heigth v. 68.9
9. 77.1 width v. 77.4
10. 5.9 ground clearance v. 6.9
11. 21 gallon fuel tank vs. 20
First, Sienna has 230HP and 0-60 in 8.3 secs so I don't know what the 9.05 sec vs. 8.84 came from. Second, I don't know who's turning radius is who's but the Sienna's is 36.8 ft.
And lastly, how do you even know the Touring info before any specs are released?
Lynn,
Did you get your DH to hold off yet???
Read some wrong info in previous posts on the meaning of dB (measurement of sound intensity). Here is some good reference
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/db.html#c3
In short:
I(intensity, dB) = 10*Log10(Ia/Io)
(base-10 logarithm)
4 db difference means 10^0.4 = 2.51
similarly, 5db difference means 10^0.5 = sqrt(10) = 3.16...
10db difference in sound intensity makes you feel like (human ears perceive non-linearly) twice as loud. Therefore, a 4dB difference in interior noise intensity of automobiles is possible and easily differentiable (roughly 25% louder) by human ears.
P.S. 1 dB (absolute level) means the sound is barely heard by human ears,
Hope this help to clarify a bit.
+6 dB is four times as loud
+3 dB is twice as loud
-3 dB is half as loud
-6dB is one-forth as loud
-9dB is one-eigth as loud
One dB is hardly noticible; 3 db is; that is, when you are trying to tell the difference, but when driving it would be less noticleble than when at home comparing an old record with a CD.
Cold places and drive in daytime: black in and out.
Cold places and drive at nighttime: silver in and out (so your car will be warmer late at night in the cold, if it was in the sun during the day). It will be like making your car a thermos.
Black absorbs about 90% of the sun's energy (note I did not say heat); it 'emits' about 95%, but of the emitted energy, only about 15% of the emitted energy can pass through glass.
White absorbs about 50% of the sun's energy; it emits about 80% of that energy; but about 50% of the emitted energy can pass through the glass.
Silver absorbs about 5 to 10% of the sun's energy; emits about 5% of the energy; about 50 to 60 of the emitted energy can pass through the glass.
Some films on glass can help keep out near inferred energy from the sun. Some glass might be better in letting through the far infrared energy emitted by the hot interior of the car.
I live in Southern California. Best solution: white in and out. The super best solution: white in and 'black' chrome on the outside; black chrome has special properties: reflects like a mirror (i.e., reflect about 95 to 98% of the sun's energy), and emits like black paint.
What do I drive? Black on the outside, and dark gray on the inside -- one of the worst possible combinations for southern CA. My next car will be the 2005 ODY with white in and out.
Of course Southern Cali is weird where the weather can be 75 on the coast and you drive 10-15 miles inland and the temp is about 95...
I believe they said the Sienna was 67, T&C 68, Quest and Ody 70dBA.
What's a few grand more on something you'll enjoy the next 10 years?
I'm going with Silver or Black Touring w/NAV+RES and hopefully beige interior.
But I just buy the color to LOOK GOOD.
I think Silver is usually the best overall color.
But if the vehicle has a lot of chrome, then Black might be a great color.
I think beige interior looks good with woodtrim.
But now that I think about it and the Ody doesn't have woodtrim, perhaps grey might be a better interior color.
NAV is good, and I hope it's 8", but 7" will do.
SO the new ODy gets plenty of chrome on front grille, side glass, and rear garnish. Cool.
When the info is released you'll have to let me know what you decide. I think the EX-L with Nav/Resi will be an option for us as well.....but it's gonna be really hard for me to pry my hands off of that Touring model they have "ordered" for me. I've never been known for my willpower!
Interestingly, all the talk on this board now seems to be about the 'Touring' model. Get ready to help your Honda dealer make his boat payment with the ADP he'll be charging, as the 'Touring' is going to be a small percentage of Odyssey production. I guess bells and whistles are OK now that there's an 'H' on grille.
Your equation is correct -- for sound intensity (power over an area - watts per meter squared). People differentiate the loudness of sounds, however, by pressure of the sound on our eardrums. So the loudness that people usually refer to when talking xx dB is sound pressure level (force over an area -- newtons per meter squared -- Pascal). The dB you get from a sound level meter is more accurately denoted as dBspl (decibel for sound pressure level), which has a different equation than your dB for sound intensity.
Without going into all the math, it comes down to for a sound to appear twice as loud to us, it requires 4x the power. So your statement of "10dB difference in sound intensity makes you feel like twice as loud" is generally true, because a +10dB (actually it's +12dB) in intensity computes to a +6dB in sound pressure level. But I got the feeling you're mixing dB in power and dB in sound pressure level.
And we're not even getting into the non-linear frequency response of the human ear and how that affects the perception of loudness.
Let's get back to the '05 Odyssey!
I thought I was the only one who wanted the Touring before:-) ???
It was either going to be the Sienna Limited HO or the Ody Touring w/NAV+RES for me. Not too many people wanted the Sienna Limited, so I was comfortable there. But now seems like everyone wants "my" Touring w/NAV+RES :-)
I thought everyone was making fun of "my" NAV?
Now everyone wants NAV, just because it has 600 voice commands :-)
Just turn around, and step slowly away from my Touring w/NAV.
GO buy the Sienna Limited, T&C, Quest, or something, okay?
I love it:-)
So as long as the Ody is only 1 dBA different, the Ody and Sienna should sound similar. It's all good.
You people crack me up....Honda dealerships don't ORDER a car for people. They simply tell you what is coming in and you put your name on the list.
There is NO ordering. Factory sends them cars based on sales. The dealership gets what they get...it's that simple.
You are correct that just because they ask for something, they may not get it right away (if at all), but they do have an upcoming allocation list that you can select from.
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Andrew,
Yes it may only be a couple thousand more. But we rarely keep our cars for ten years because we drive so much. Our 10 month old Sub already has 30K miles on it. I don't want my wife driving a car with well over 100K miles as I want her and the kids to be safe. Also, with four kids, a couple thousand goes a long ways towards all their after school activities (swimming, karate, gymnastics, band, etc) or saving towards college. So, unfortunately, it isn't quite as easy as that for me. I guess we'll all find out pretty soon.
Since we're not millionaires, we all have to watch that money and cut what we don't "need".
For example, I don't need caller ID on my phone, but I sure need NAV and plenty of chrome:-)
I'm sure the EX-L w/NAV+RES is just as good as the Touring.
I think the difference between the Ody Touring vs EX-L is a lot less than the difference between the Sienna Limited vs XLE.
BJs has a protable DVD system that has screens that hang on the headrest (I think they are detachable, or maybe the whole unit straps to the seat). Anyway, they have a few with various screen sizes in the $200-$400 range. If you really want a RES system and can't handle the price, might be a way to go. Buy 2, so each kid gets there own (no fighting over what to watch).
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Well, the general manager of the dealer where I an #1 on the list invited me in to sit down 3 or 4 weeks ago and wanted to ask what I liked since he was putting together his "order" regarding trim levels and color.
The most expensive version now is $31k. Add $1500 for the RES, and you get $32.5k, add 3 % price increase (as per Honda) and it is $33.5k. Now if you need all the bells and whistles (should say want I suppose) then the touring may be $2.5k more.
That is $36k loaded to the gills. This is before discounts - which will happen very shortly (maybe not right away). Toyota is going to be aggressive on price to match Honda, and they are in the game this time (unlike '99). Even the VCM only gets 1 mpg more than the already efficient Sienna. Siennas are going for just over invoice now, and that price will go down when the Odyssey comes out.
It is all good news for the minivan buyer. I am holding off until March or April. The Ody will be discounted, the Sienna will be further disounted.
-juice
I disagree. The discounts for the Sienna will remain essentially the same. For example, the Toyota Sequoia is still selling with marginal discounts four years after introduction. The competition from Nissan Armada & Chevy Tahoe did not affect the Toyota.
Don't forget, a lot of people prefer the smoothness of a Toyota. The Sienna XLE limited is basically a Lexus minivan.
I still refuse to believe that the '05 Ody will be quieter than a Sienna. Honda has sold rock hard, sporty riding cars for years. Why would they change their target market?