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  • kyjeeperkyjeeper Member Posts: 31
    I have got in touch with lawyers about lemon law they are writing CH about lemon law. I think the four months and four times in shop may not count so they will have 4 more tries to fix I think. All I need is a good mechanic that knows about torque convertor going in at 50 to 55 and knows what to do to fix. If they could fix this Jeep it is a good truck. I Just fill up at Shell and got over 30 mpg you cann't beat that period.Everyone at work laughs at me for paying 29000 plus and it don't even run right alwell life goes on.will let everyone know if I get anything resolved. :lemon:
  • tallgirl1tallgirl1 Member Posts: 2
    Thank you for your information. I've noticed that it doesn't chug when accelerating onto the highway. Your statement makes sense and puts me at ease. If I notice anything more unusual I'll contact my dealership. You've been very helpful.
  • jc7349jc7349 Member Posts: 17
    The triple tread is a very good tire, great in the snow and rain. However it is a on-road tire, so I decided to go with the Wrangler Silent Armour. I made this decision because in the summer when I'm towing a boat some of the launches are covered completly in sand,mud,gravel etc. Pulling a boat out of the water on a incline on that type of ground is beyond the triple tread design criteria. So if your mainly on road the triple tread is a great tire choice. If you need some sand,mudd,gravel grip then choose the Wrangler Silent Armour or other AT rated tire tire.
  • ecramanecraman Member Posts: 25
    Finally got to run without bumper to bumper and mileage was a little less than 29 mpg. I have had one EGR replaced and have 15,000 miles on the CRD purchased in March. I have an appointment for later on in the month for what will probably be a second EGR (check engine light on). Obviously whatever it is is not hurting mileage. Diesel is coming down towards $2.50 in NJ at the Hess in P-burg.
  • dzl_loudzl_lou Member Posts: 16
    Any owners with similar symptoms and what is remedy?
    2005 CRD 4,300 miles, May 05 build date.
    Under increasing acceleration the symptom is not present.
    With OD off the symptom is not present.
    Does not matter if engine is cold or warm, situation happens when crossing the 35mph threshold within normal (not drastically increasing RPM's)driving conditions.
    Also noticed symptom happens if I lift foot off accelerator while crossing the 35mph threshold.
    :confuse:
  • frank9425frank9425 Member Posts: 11
    As I drive around Monmouth and Ocean counties (live in Howell), I look for the beloved CRD on the back of the Liberties I see. In the two months I've owned this vehicle, I've seen none... nadda... zilch... zero. Let's see a show of hands. How many of you members live in New Jersey? :confuse:
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    Maryland here, I haven't seen any CRD's

    Hey!!! I'll show you mine if you show me yours! :shades:
  • trumpet_washertrumpet_washer Member Posts: 48
    Down here, the dealership salesmen give you a stack of their business cards to pass out to the idle curious. They pay a $50.00US bounty if they sell a car to somone you've given a card. :)
  • trumpet_washertrumpet_washer Member Posts: 48
    WIDE TIRES:

    Wide is relative. Paris-Dakar racers often have 20" or larger wheels. What's considered narrow for a 20" rim? Light Truck tires (in my experience, at least) tend to ride a little rough. If most of the off-road driving you do is a mall parking lot, the Mrs. will complain about being bounced around.

    PERFORMANCE UPGRADES:

    Been there, done that. Chip (VW) upgrade required racing clutch to handle extra torque. $300.00 chip + $800.00 clutch = $1100.00, which would have bought a lot of diesel fuel 3 years ago. With the complaints on this board about the transmission, adding a Brazillian extra kg/n of torque doesn't seem prudent.
  • trumpet_washertrumpet_washer Member Posts: 48
    I don't want to belabor this point, but I think all of the speedo info is handled by the ECM. There isn't a cable connection anywhere. Turn your key to the first position and hold in the trip reset button. The speedo will do a self check. Tire size should be relatively easy to change. Aren't 17" wheels a dealer-installed option? Guys on the TDI forum used to plug into their ECM's and change stuff all the time. Just have to know the codes.
  • new2dieselnew2diesel Member Posts: 148
    About 50% of the diesel pumps I pull up to in VA have the large diameter spout on the fuel hose. These spouts don't fit into the small Libby fuel tank hole. Any one have any remidies? Funnels aren't practical because of the mess and smell. Can the thingamagig (hole) in the top on the libby fuel cap/tank be removed? I have to pass up cheap diesel ($2.40) because the nozzle won't fit. :cry:
    Thanks
  • lightnin3lightnin3 Member Posts: 153
    In theory yes a Canadian gallon is 4.5litres,
    and a U.S. gallon is slightly smaller at 3.8litres,
    I average it out to 4 litres=a gallon.
    I don't believe that we have a difference anymore,mainly because most of our gas companies are U.S owned,and ever since we changed to metric system I think things have changed.
    Plus not to mention the gas stations don't drain off the condensation in the ground tanks.
    So you may be pumping a percentage of water in your tank.
    Which is why use a conditioner to take the water out.

    I could go to the pump with an old gallon can to test this ,but I have been taking readings off the OH console Mpg and this is a true reading ,but it may be in American gallons.

    I geneally put it in cruise and drop my speed to 81/kmh,and in the 60 km zones,I'll drop it to the posted speed. Doing this has brought up my mileage since I travel 1/2 hour drive into work everyday.

    I also have been comparing these reading to a fill from 1/4 mark,generally 60 litres,and set my trip odometer to zero to see what I am getting,generally 800 Km's.

    Speak Soon..
    Lightnin...
  • tomwtomw Member Posts: 31
    The lease on my 2003 SAAB 9-3 ends in February (thank goodness! GM has ruined SAAB).

    As my wife had good luck with her 1982 Benz diesel, I'm partial to them, and so am considering a 2006 Liberty CRD for my next vehicle. I have some questions for those of you who have CRD's:

    1) Beyond the EGR's and crap OEM tires, are there any other consistent issues with the CRD?

    2) Is the SIRIUS installation a "clean" install within the dashboard, or is it one of those add-on units bolted to the dash? (I've noticed that one can't get navigation with the SIRIUS, so I'm hoping that Jeep did the right thing with a clean install).

    3) How is sound quality of the Infinity system?

    4) Does the optional bluetooth system work well?

    5) The inevitable question, what kind of real world mileage are you getting?

    In advance, thanks for your replies and your help!
  • frank9425frank9425 Member Posts: 11
    For about two bucks, Wal-Mart has a yellow adapter thing. It's not exactly a funnel and not truly a hose adapter, but it will work if you don't pump too fast. ;)
  • frank9425frank9425 Member Posts: 11
    My 2005 Libby has the factory-installed Sirius. It's integral with the radio. It's not an add-on-bolt-to-the-dashboard-looking-like-a-sore-thumb thing. If you press the mode switch up, you get CD, again you get satellite.
    I have 4k miles and getting 22 mpg mixed and 26 mpg on the highways with 60-65 mph driving.
    Personally, I haven't had any tire or EGR problems(yet???) I wish the fuel milage was about 5 mpg better, but other than that, I'm very satisfied with the CRD :D
  • showdogs1showdogs1 Member Posts: 4
    It makes a very big difference, especially given the angst that some folks on this post have because their mileage doesn't measure up to others!

    All sales of diesel in Canada are by the litre. The size of the litre is the same on both sides of the border...the ownership of the gas company doesn't change that.

    But when we convert to mpg, the size of the gallon makes a big difference. It is important to measure apples to apples, and a Canadian gallon and an American gallon are not the same.

    My best mileage was 33 miles per CDN gallon , but only 27.5 miles per US gallon. Although I am more than satisfied with 33mpg CDN, I would much rather get 33 miles per American gallon!

    As for the reading from the trip computer, your pump receipt, the trip odemetre reading, and a calculator will quickly tell you what's what.
  • tomwtomw Member Posts: 31
    Thanks - that's big. I hate the bolt-on look. I too would like a little better mileage, but given the off-road capability of the Liberty I think the trade-off is worth it.

    Living in New England I wanted at least AWD - and was considering the Subaru Outback - but crossed it off of my list because it offers no integrated satellite radio (and Bluetooth isn't available at all). And its mileage doesn't appear to be much different than a CRD - yet doesn't have the same off-road capability, not to mention the longevity of a diesel (did do much better on the IIHS crash tests though).
  • frank9425frank9425 Member Posts: 11
    One more thing about the Libby... I traded-in my Subaru Forester (2002) to get the CRD. The Subaru was nice and gave me no problems -- but it wasn't a diesel. Besides the economy and longevity, I just love the grunting and growling sounds diesel makes. :D
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    I have heard of an adapter you can buy but have yey to find one. I have pumped fuel with those bigger nozzles, It is a pain but can be done. You have to pump slowly.
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    At 50 - 55, you are in that area where the trans goes into and out of O/D. O/D takes hold at about 53 mph, but will stay in place at speeds as low as 48 mph. I do this regularly. I have not experienced your problem at all but do know that an unsteady foot in that speed range will cause lots of shifting and jerkiness.

    When you first start your CRD in the morning, let it idle for about 30 seconds before putting into gear. This refills the torque converter with fluid. It drains out while sitting overnight. I learned this from a Dodge dealer. They have been dealing with this trans longer than Jeep. Doing this has made a significant difference in how the transmission performs.
  • jimhemijimhemi Member Posts: 223
    Crane Cams and some other AFTER Market manufactures offer performance upgrades along with the ability to change the computer for different size tires. Hyper Tech may be another. The key is to find one that allows for upgrades to your make and model. Seeing that no body has jumped onto the Liberty CRD upgrade market, this may hamper your efforts.
  • jimhemijimhemi Member Posts: 223
    I thought I was the only one that did that? I have only seen 2 and the second one was actually while driving the turnpike this morning.
  • boilermaker2boilermaker2 Member Posts: 131
    I'm sure there are adapters. Yes, you can get it in there IF you pump it slowly.

    However, these units have this ring on them to prevent you from filling up your tank. These nozzle ends are put on pumps that are designed to fill a 300 gallon semi tank, not a 20-30 light duty vehicle tank on a family auto/truck. The flow rate at these pumps is oftentimes much greater. If you are like me, this is a mess waiting to happen.

    Most, but not all, stations for trucks also have pumps for LDV's (light duty vehicles like passenger vehicles and 1/2 to 1 ton trucks) so that farmers and diesel enthusiests can fill up their LDV's (now CRD's too). At major truck stops, they use signage to differeniate between car/truck (LDV) and semi pumps. I would recommend that you use these pumps or go to another station that has them.

    I keep a pair of gloves in the back to pump so that I won't get the grime from a durty pump on my hands before going to work or a meeting. In a pinch, the windsheild paper towelling will serve the same purpose.

    Hope this helps,
    My $.02
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    I have one. I live in Montgomery Couty.
  • new2dieselnew2diesel Member Posts: 148
    The stations I go to are auto fueling stations not truck fueling stations. Since it is rather rural, the only diesel pump has the larger nozzle. It also happens to be .16 a gallon cheaper at the moment. I hate to pass it up. I would love to pull the whole apparaus out of the top of the fuel tank if I could.

    If anyone finds a good fix, please let the board know.

    Thanks
  • new2dieselnew2diesel Member Posts: 148
    I have about 2800 miles on my 2005 sport CRD. I bought it October 1 with a build date of July. No problems. Runs great and I got 24 mpg on my last tankful with rural road driving and a small amount of city driving. Best highway mileage so far has been 28.5 on a 125 mile trip at 65 mph.

    I now add diesle kleene by power serve and it runs quietly.

    My enhancements would be a better luggage rack system with cross bar, and a bigger vehicle. An extra 6-12 inches in length would be perfect. Tires are fine so far. I've used no oil in 2800 miles and the stero that comes in the sport sounds great.

    You won't find a better value for the money. Paid $22,600 for mine.
  • kyjeeperkyjeeper Member Posts: 31
    I stopped and was talking to a man down the road and let the Jeep run 15 or 20 min. and drove down the road and it started jerking. I have even took it out of overdrive with the button and it still jerks I have even felt it at 65,mostly 50 to 55 if you let off the speed. I have had it jerk for a 1/2 mile I don't see how its kept from tearing something up the funny thing is it jerk 5 or 6 times last week drove 50 miles yesterday didnt do it its moody I thought the check value in the 2006 could fix it I think it was(f)4799662 per TSB 21-015-05.I might have to live with this problem but I am not going down without a fight. :lemon:
  • cabanisscabaniss Member Posts: 5
    Greetings,

    I have owned my Jeep Liberty Diesel for 6 months now and I am very pleased with it.

    Question for the group:
    Anyone have an knowledge of the ability of this vehicle with a snow plow? I could use a light snowplow for my driveway but I have yet to run into anyone who has pushed snow with a small SUV like this one.
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    Hi! For the price of a decent plow, you could get a rather substantial snow blower..While your Libby could probably handle it as well as most trucks, why punnish it? I'm an older guy, 5'5" tall and just over 8.2 stones, I have no problem blowing my 600' driveway. A dry snow will blow almost 30' away and not make big piles at the edge of the driveway. My blower is an International and has 11 horsepower. Have some fun in the snow!! LK :shades:
  • winter2winter2 Member Posts: 1,801
    There is one other thing to try. Open the hood and locate the fuel filter. Make sure all of the clamps on the hoses you can get to are tight. Make sure that the gas cap is tight too.

    Next back at the fuel filter there is a pump. Pump it about 20 times to see if there is any air in the system. If that helps, great but you may have to do it once or twice more to get all of the air out. I had to it on my CRD. No recurrence of the problem.
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    In the french manual it's mentionned that using a snow plough will trigger the airbags. I guess this must have been translated from english since we dont use them here :confuse:
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    The engine and transmission communicate via sensors, connectors and control units. I think all these have to be inspected individually to get a better understanding of the misses.
    If there is not enough fuel pressure in the common rail, there will be a warning message (error code) on the console because there is a pressure sensor on the ramp.
    A dirty air mass-flow metering sensor on the turbo intake could also foul the system without showing an error code because this would just reduce the amount of fuel to be injected while keeping all other functions within range.
    If our 'intelligent' transmission sees these variations it will just keep shifting as it was programmed for and confusion of diagnostic will carry on.
    What would life be without electronics :blush:
  • boilermaker2boilermaker2 Member Posts: 131
    You are correct carabou1, in the English (U.S. one at least) manual it specifically states that this vehicle was not designed to carry a snow plow and it will/may cause airbag deployment.

    Furthermore, while it is is rated at having the ability to pull 5,000 pounds, has 295 lbs of torque and owns the ubiquitous "Trail Rated" distinction, I am not sure I would want to put this much torque and traction behind a plow with a vehicle having unibody construction. I am NOT saying that the jeep will fall apart but I think that DCX was succinct in their advisory for reasons beyond airbag deployment.

    Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but the smaller Wrangler can be fitted for snowplow work. It has a traditional frame. I have seen some outfitted but never in action. Many auto manufacturers now require the vehicles to be fitted for snow plows from the factory to maintain their warranty.

    Last year I watched a new S-10 crew cab clear a parking lot. I watched the suspension heave as the blade went up and down and observed the entire body flex. I commented to another watching with me that I felt sorry for the nextowner of that vehicle.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I felt sorry for the nextowner of that vehicle.

    Snow plows are tough on 3/4 & 1 ton trucks. I would never install one on a 1/2 ton or lighter chassis. The resale on a truck that has or had a plow is pretty low. Buy a used Bobcat and save your vehicle for what it was designed for.
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    Western Suburbanite
    Western markets a line of snowplows for SUV's.

    My personal opinion is to recommend hiring a snow removal service i/o attaching a plow to a Liberty.

    My family used to be in the snow removal business as a side business to excavation/concrete/demolition and I can speak from experience that plowing is extremely abusive to a vehicle.
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    I would think the limitation comes more from the weight of the liberty. It's fun to drive in the deep snow, but I got stuck last winter because it was resting on it's belly. Chains become useless when the suspensions are fully relaxed. The BFG T/As did a wonderful job. It really looked like Vegas when the snow was projected from the four corners or the truck. It just took the help of one person to pull out.
  • m_driverm_driver Member Posts: 2
    OK, after about 6,000 miles on the CRD I'm ready to start adding a few parts and put this thing to some serious use. I would like to know what you all might have done as far as roof racks. What is the rating on the factory cross-bars? Should I just shell the dollars and buy a Yakima system? My intention is to haul two Ocean Kayaks and down the road possibly invest in a roof basket for the bulky luggage etc. on longer trips.

    Thanks !
  • frostyyfrostyy Member Posts: 52
    Tomw,

    I recently purchased a 2006 CRD Limited. The only question of yours that I can comment on so far is #3 (other options I don't have and my engine is not broken in yet). I have found that the Infinity system is terrific. Even at high volume levels, I get a clear, non-distorted sound from the 6CD player....good luck with your eventual purchase....
  • kyjeeperkyjeeper Member Posts: 31
    thanks for advice,have not try pumping fuel filter will try this weedend, right now my wife has at work.I have look at hoses will look again the big hose before it goes into turbo looks like its not sealed you can see a machine ring like the hose has not been pushed up on it enough. I notice after one or two EGR value replaced at dealers that the nuts on fuel filter had been off,could tell by paint on threads have no record of anything done to filter.When you pump the fuel filter do I need to Open bleed value on top? We use to have tractors on farm and this was the only way to get air out also I have changed filter on two cummines diesels and if you don't fill filter with fuel before install the motor doesn't start.
  • kyjeeperkyjeeper Member Posts: 31
    can tell dealer he problemly won't listen.speaking of electronics this Jeep tells me my doors are open,back latch is open my seat belt off, out of fuel and about everything else. But it not smart enought to make the engine run :) It would be nice if it told me to have a nice day and thanks for the Mobil One oil.
  • barry1939barry1939 Member Posts: 6
    m driver
    My CRD had about a 1000 miles on it when I put a couple of 12' WS Tarpons on it for a trip to one of the TX Hill Country rivers. I used a Thule rack (that fastens to the side rails of the factory rack) off another vehicle I have. The little Jeep handled it just fine.
  • dfw2dfw2 Member Posts: 11
    I was seriously interested (and still am) in a the Snowsport plow (see snowsport.com) I am interested in limited plowing and basically for a 250 driveway in the mountains. The plow can be purchased thru Cabelas or northern tool. Due to its simplicity it competes with higher end snow blowers at the cost of about $1200. It does not have a hydrolic lift. Rather, the plow is aluminum and is lifted on and off a rack. The rack and plow can be quickly mounted to a vehicle using a 2 inch receiver. When in use, the plow rests on the ground, and when not operated it is manually lifted and rests on the rack above the ground. Although it can be used on the rear receiver of the Liberty (if the spare is removed), most would want to add a front receiver. There are front receivers now available for the Liberty so all would seem well. I have contacted the company regarding the front bumper plow prohibition described in the manual and they advise that there are sensors mounted in the front bumper which are intended to activitate the air bags. Consequently, as long as the plow is not mounted to the bumper there is no problem with the sensors.

    However, while they have not actually tested the Liberty, they believe it may be too "flimsy" for the front mounted receiver. While I can appreciate, on the one hand, the possibility that a plow excerts significant load on the frame or unibody, on the other hand, Liberty owners are buying front receivers to install tow hooks and winches. If a front receiver can support the stress of tow hooks and winches, I should think it could support limited use of a receiver supported plow.

    I am curious if anyone can articulate the strength of a front mounted Liberty receiver?
  • anomiousanomious Member Posts: 170
    250 feet? 250 feet!!! Get the blower and spare your Libby! 250 feet is a quickie!

    Best of luck whatever LK :)
  • crdmaybecrdmaybe Member Posts: 2
    I am interested in CRD but I just read consumer reports and they gave the CRD 11 miles per gallon city? According to jeep they say 22 miles per gallon city. What has your gas milage been? Do you ever get close to 500 miles on :confuse: a tank?

    Thanks
    Mark
  • indianrefiningindianrefining Member Posts: 102
    A question for those of you who have been using this product: At what ratio do you mix it? The label says that 32 ounces will raise 50 gallons 6 cetane points. Would half the bottle (16 ounces) to a tank of fuel be too "hot"? (I was thinking that 10-11 ounces might be safer.)
  • crdmaybecrdmaybe Member Posts: 2
    Wow have you checked how many miles you are getting on a tank? According to consumer reports they stated only 11 miles per gallon in the city? Do you think that is inacurrate? Maybe there CRD was not broken in yet?
    I am interested in buying a CRD liberty, still waiting on a dealer to get one to test drive. :confuse:

    Thanks
    Mark
  • ungnungn Member Posts: 19
    I don't know how CR got 11 mph, other than Hole shot Power Brakes at every stop sign. Last tank I got 23.83 mpg (actual gallons/miles, the computer was close but I think it said 24.1) from my 34 mile round trip daily commute through the heart of Dallas/Fort Worth. This is with less than 3K miles on the clock.

    I have a feeling it will get somewhere between 26-28 mpg broken in. With the A/C on it might get 1-2 mpg less.

    The worst tank so far was about 19 mpg (one of the first, enjoying the turbo launchs).
  • caribou1caribou1 Member Posts: 1,354
    I now have 60,000 Km on my truck and mileage is ~10% less than what I used to get when it was new. This is in contradiction with common sense but my reality...
  • geedubbgeedubb Member Posts: 34
    The owners manual states that snow plows, winches or other similar things that attach to the front of the Liberty should not be used due to the possible malfunction of the airbag sensors in the front of the vehicle. I'd site the page but the wife is driving the Liberty today....

    So has anybody added a winch/snow plow or other such item to their Liberty and had a problem?
  • cu1981cu1981 Member Posts: 13
    I have seen several of these from different tests. I have no idea how they are getting these numbers. Mine has 7,000 miles on it. My current tank has 420 on the trip and I just had the reserve chime go off. It is a mix of hwy and city. I would say that I am averaging 24 with mixed driving since purchasing the car. Over 26 on the highway. The first half of this tank was a 250 mile hwy trip through interstate hills. I had the cruise set at nearly 80 for most of the way. Had a full load and 4 people in the Jeep. The entire tank has also been driven using the AC... At 11 MHG that would mean the range of the Jeep would be 220. Taht is usually a half a tank for me with mixed driving.
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