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Thinking about trading in my 2003, 3.7 auto.
I would imagine those very cheap highway tires that come on Liberties were likely the biggest culprit of slipping/sliding. That and the aformentioned excessive speed in relation to said tires.
That being said, i'm sure when the new models make there way out Jeep will have this added. I wouldn't look for that feature on the diesel Jeep.
djasonw: Ever tried to run an RWD Bimmer in snow? Stability control or whatever, it will just not run properly. So, slow down.
VNF
Jeff
sebring95: Totally agreed with your statement!
djasonw: Ever tried to run an RWD Bimmer in snow? Stability control or whatever, it will just not run properly. So, slow down.
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umm, actually I have; quite a lot. It works better than you think. The important point is to have a really good set of tall, sharp snow tires. The traction control or limited-slip or whatever, works great.
The biggest problem is simply snow depth, especially with lowered suspension.
Tow capacity: Interesting question- the germans like to rate vehicles really high( if memory serves, they let you tote around a 2000kg trailer with your golf) but US acceptable tow performance is a different matter. While the power plant will certainly drag around more than the 5000# that the current V6 is rated for, the limitations of the chassis will likely curb it there. Wheelbase, track width, brakes, rear overhang, spring rates, etc all factor in. Allthough a split tow rating s/a on the Acura MDX might be possible: 3000# conventional, 4500# boat
my 87 325i was awesome in the winter- sure, its no 4x4, but I'd take it over a FWD any day- for refrence, Im in MI and it hauled me and my Yakima box to the ski hill in many a blizzard. I ran Dunlop D-60's under it
I want a VW TDI, but the wife is in SUV mode.
The Diesel Liberty would be a great compromise, with the added benefit of towing and 4x4, and so-so mileage.
http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/previews,view,Jeep.spy?artid=- 25071&pg=6
Referring to the article in 'auto123', the Sorento has a 2.5 Liter CRD over here. It's cheaper than the Jeep but disappointingly underpowered and hard to resell.
Don't get excited until actual pricing is available. The quoted article is estimated pricing in Canadian funds.
I assume the Europeans for the most part spend Euros, so if a price in that currency is quoted we can go from there. Of course who knows what kind of tariffs them Europeans slap on Ami cars.
Just seems like the US Jeep web site has had that diesel version posted a long time, and I have yet to get any response. I would order one for late 2004 delivery if they were making them. Reminds me of vaporware.
I have been thinking more and more about a 2500 Dodge Ram with the Cummins. I will be looking at them even closer if the above prices are correct.
Still have my 2002 Wrangler and plan on keeping it for the play vehicle. My other vehicle will be a dog carrying, grocery getting, pulling the stock trailer or 18 foot trailer with tractor and front end loader, type of vehicle.
That truck is looking better and better. If I got the Liberty it was going to be maxed out for towing and at those prices I won't even consider it.
Still a happy camper.
http://www.jeep.fr/la_gamme/cherokee/tarifs/tarifs.asp
Other SUVs sold here are not cheaper when a realistic comparison is made. We get what we pay for. In a previous post I wrote that my Jeep had something of the old BMW series 5 (it's all black inside). After almost one year are no squeaks or imperfections of any kind. The assembly and the feel of the materials is top quality. But of course I'm talking about the one sold over here...
Lets not forget, those are 2004 prices
You won't like towing that much weight with the Liberty either. I pulled a 15' trailer with a Kubota/front loader and it was more than that chassis was capable of. Might be ok for short trips if they're very infrequent. I'd go with the truck myself, I'm not impressed with small SUV's for towing at all.
Anybody seen any 2005 MSRP's? Delivery schedules?
compare any cars that exist in both north america and europe. in europe the only car I can afford is a focus but here a ford focus is cheap.
the Liberty price will be the same as the v6 and inflate if demand is big which remains to be seen. originally they were supposed to subsidise the crd but with gas going up I am guessing that will change.
I recently priced a VW Passat diesel with FWD and I can buy a 4motion 1.8T gasser for less money. The 1.8T is about $2,000 more on the sticker but the diesel has no incentives and dealers try to get sticker for them. Of course in that case we're talking a least a 10mpg penalty for the gasser plus a premium fuel requirement. Break-even is about 50k miles. Will there be 10mpg between the diesel and gas liberty? I doubt it, it's an aerodynamic brick.
There is no shortage of cars to buy in South Africa yet people are waiting up to three months for delivery of their 2.8 CRD's and no-one complains.
Off-road even the famous Land Rover is no match for it and in the Johannesburg area (roughly 5000 ft above sea level) the turbocharged engine is a dream. Other cars lose up to 20 % of their power because of the altitude.
I also tow a caravan (trailer) weighing about 1100 kg (+- 2420 pounds) with it and I get about 10.1 liters per 100 kilometers in mixed driving. The 3.7l uses about 14,3 l/100km. (work out the maths youself - 1 US Gallon = 3.5 liters and 1 kilometer = 5/8 ths of a mile.
If you can get hold of it - buy it. I have owned both and the Diesel is far superior to the 3.7 l in almost all aspects.
I'd venture to say that no real SUV (in terms of off road and towing capability) is anywhere near that. Keep in mind that due to quirks in the test methodology that benefit hybrid vehicles, the 30+ mpg EPA figures Ford is touting for the Escape are probably overstated, and my guess is that in the real world and normal driving the Escape Hybrid would be hard pressed to get over 30 mpg. That for a vehicle only rated to tow 1,000 lbs. BTW, I am basing this on numerous magazine articles that I have read in which the editors did not get anywhere close to EPA figures for existing hybrids, except under artificial test conditions.
100km=62.13711922 mi.
fredl1's 10.1 liters per 100km = 23.34 mpg for the crd
14.1 liters per 100km = 16.6 for the 3.7
my numbers come from YAHOO conversion table.
2.90s, I had no idea you could get that high of a gear ratio in an Excursion. I have friends that just bought a used one. They have 6 children and live about 2.5 miles off the highway on a fire trail. They destroyed a MV in a couple years. I hope this works for them. I don't know what mileage they are getting. Theirs has the 7.3 PS diesel. If you don't plan on pulling a trailer the high gears would be the way to go.
I currently have a MAZDA B4000 with 4wd, which is a compact pickup. I get about 15 in town and 18 on the highway in normal driving. 20 to 25 mpg in an SUV sounds pretty good to me.
C/t's are built for very light cargos and can achieve a bigger improvement in mpg verses even small t/t's.