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What I learnt is never ever press the gas more than 1/3 of the way with a turbo diesel if you want to keep it! With the Libby this is an equivalent of full cargo at 95 mph (I've seen one blown engine, but I promissed not to say where I saw it). All I can say is the inside looks very much like a motorcycle engine instead of a farm tractor.
Having had a number of other turbocharged cars, you pretty much want to avoid any boost situation that doesn't conclude in a few minutes. With the awful aerodynamics of the vehicle, I can see how the turbo would have to keep working to keep the thing plowing though the atmosphere at very high speed.
BTW, mine seems to love B20 Biodiesel, the mileage isn't any better but it purrs! It's noticeably smoother and quieter.
see a liberty diesel for sale on eBay just now. Go to this link to see it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43916&item=4547568532&rd- =1
This is for anyone waiting for one or having trouble getting one.
good luck
1:30 pm - returned to the lot at conclusion of test drive. There sat a new light khaki Liberty Limited CRD fresh off the trailer. Still had plastic wrap on the interior and needed a bath something terrible. Had virtually every option I could imagine. Has the light color leather - looks great! I think I fell in love...
1:35 pm - walked inside with sales rep and began paperwork on my new light khaki Liberty Limited CRD. Got excellent financing through my credit union (3.75%) and got the car for $2259 below MSRP. I don't buy new cars often, but this seemed like a great deal.
4:45 pm - picked up my new CRD. Still getting to know her, but I am truly impressed by this great little Jeep.
When we were looking at the CRD. We test drove a White one. It had an annoying vibration sound coming from the rear when in gear and at idle. Told dealer about the sound and they knew exactly what to do to remedy it. Guess it is a common problem for these that some of them have and some don't.
The sales guy thought it was the exhaust pipe alignment at the factory. Supposedly there is a place where the pipe and muffler runs that is close to a support. When it is mis-aligned it must rub the support area.
Anyway, just some more information on this problem.
TFRACING (Think Fast Racing - drag bike racer)
with about 2200mi now, i'm getting around 24.5 mpg
worst mileage seems to occur on "short trip" cycles when engine can't get warm
"We all know that driving a fuel-efficient SUV is a good thing to do for the planet. If you can get the math working in your favor, as well, it can be a good thing for your wallet as well."
Hybrid and Diesel SUV Roundup (Inside Line)
Steve, Host
I tried to find a Khaki one and there weren't any in town....lucky you. I am quite happy with my silver one.
Has anyone on this board put in UConnect after purchase or is it horribly complicated? It is, I think, the only option ours didn't come with except side air bags (which is actually something we tried to find with no luck). I didn't want to order a vehicle because of the waiting period.
I am interested to learn if DC will be up-sizing exhaust systems on all CRD's
I ordered mine on March 07, 2005 and it gets delivered next Monday!!!
The dealer said 8-13 weeks on special order so he was close with his SWAG :P
Also RE: 727, if anybody has used the Uconnect, please post your thoughts!
I've got one. Mine hasn't done this. It's a defect. It can be fixed.
The great thing about having a new vehicle is that it has a warranty. It makes the trouble "their" problem. Hopefully, they gave you a loaner to use whilst they are dicking around with it. They know you want it back. Don't take it back until you know it is right. Have them tell you exactly waht the problem was.
For all the hype and glorification we make about vehicles in this country, they are machines to haul people and stuff from point A to point B. That is all. I realize such language is tantamount to heresy to some of those who may read this, but I stand by it.
I had some anguish after I bought mine. I found out the thing had an Italian made engine. I cursed. Did I buy a Fiat? I asked myself. Fiats fall apart. Fiats were always junk. They don't even sell Fiats in the US anymore and you don't see those that they did on the road any more. However, I got over it. The diesel engine purrs along fine. My anguish was self induced. Yours was induced externally by the vehicle. They'll fix the bloody thing at no charge and you'll drive off feeling good.
Be happy you don't have to fix it yourself,..........yet.
Hope this jerking tranny thing gets resolved!
I wish more CRD drivers would post on this forum.
Edmunds is the only one I have found discussing CRD's. Are there other forums I am missing?
Lastly, has anyone heard of the total number of CRD'd sold in the USA?
Luck,
Tom
Only 50 miles on mine so far, but I will post any problems if they arise.
I agree this does sound odd. My dealer said that DC offering '06's in mid year is crazy too!
Good luck with your new CRD!
Apparently Jeep isn't taking any more orders for Wranglers either; they have enough orders to take them to the summer shutdown, and they'll start building the '06's then:
tsjay, "Jeep Wrangler" #17243, 12 May 2005 11:05 pm
If you really want to order one, ask a different dealer. You may get a different answer.
Steve, Host
I currently live a state where you cannot buy the diesel but I have property in Idaho where I spend part of the year and will being moving there in a year or so. With all the talk of problems am I just asking for trouble with service in my state ( California)?
Tidester's over in Eastern Idaho and would be happy to help too, but diesel fumes make him sneeze or something.
My limited experience during my 5 years in Idaho is that the mechanics here are pretty honest folks.
Steve, Host
PS I WILL TEST OUT IN THE SAND FOR YOU!!!!
Maybe pick up a used beater for your remaining Cali time and let the Liberty sit in our dry climate while you are away?
Steve, Host
LOL
I would think that Jeep would be resposible for the vehicle while you are "vacationing" in CA. They may not have the training. From what I am reading it is still a learning curve at all dealerships. They need to get the experience before next year when ULSD is mandated and CA is awash in new diesel cars. I would recommend that you find an ARCO station near you that sells diesel. It will be the mandated ULSD less than 15 PPM good stuff. I have 2700 miles using it in my new Passat TDI and it is very clean. You cannot smell anything coming out of the exhaust. It is selling at $2.499 currently. That is 10 cents more than regular unleaded.
1. Transmission / converter jerking between 55-58mph.....My '93 Concorde did this and it was an update to the computer that fixed it.......I'm assuming a fix like this will be along soon, if not already.
2. Check Engine Light......I retrieved the codes with my scanner and they relate to the EGR and Turbo.....Sorry, can't remember the codes at this moment and they are written down elsewhere.
Taking it in Friday to the local dealer for work on these issues.
I will update after they diagnose and fix it.
Ken :confuse:
2. follow the turbo-cooldown chart every time.
3. after it is warmed up and you are cruising at highway speeds, go ahead and put the pedal down. The owners manual actually says it's good for it. Who'd have thought?
4. don't leave it in cruise at the same speed for hours
5. for the first few hundred miles don't drive at really high speeds.
6. make a special note of the weird oil viscosity.
We saw our mileage improve right at around a couple thousand miles and now it does what the EPA sticker says.
Weird,.....and expensive. Mobil 1 doesn't come cheap, but a vehicle that will go for 300,000 miles is worth a lot of oil.
A bit over 3,000 on mine now. The power mirrors went out. the dealer fixed them for nothing. It is nice to be running on a warranty. I thought I'd miss the old truck, but I was wrong.
Here is an interesting table. (non Liberty info.)
mpg vs. mph
ENGINE OIL - DIESEL ENGINES
Only use synthetic engine oils meeting the API
Categories SL/CF and Chrysler Material Standard
MS-10725. Those engine oils not meeting the viscosity
and API Quality and MS-10725 requirements
should not be used.
SAE VISCOSITY GRADE
The preferred engine oil is SAE 0W-40 Mobilt One
Synthetic. If you can not locate SAE 0W-40 Mobilt
One Synthetic, then SAE 5W-40 Mobilt One Synthetic
would be acceptable.
ENGINE OIL - DIESEL ENGINES - EXPORT
Use only Diesel Engine Oil meeting standard MIL-
2104C or API Classification CD or higher or CCML
D4, D5.
I suggest that you do a self check the next time that you are going on a good highway trip. Then you will see if your computer is scaled properly. I didn't get a computer so I have to fill it up, drive the miles, write them down and fill her again to see how the machine is doing.
The Jeep is much heavier than similar vehicles for some reason. More rugged, perhaps.
Energy (can be expressed in gallons) = Mass (fixed value when you compare to the same truck) * Speed squared.
This approach works well if you stay within +/- 10% of the same torque value (engine efficiency). I've noticed that relative humidity also plays an important role on the mileage. 60 degrees Farenheit with 50% RH is what I find best for 1000 ft altitude.
tidester, host
In our case of figure we would have to compare on the same road, the same day, same everything. What we don't master is the cost of crude oil that will change our habits!
I've noticed several postings regarding the jerking which occurs around +/- 55 mph. It seems to be related to the torque converter locking in/out and a shift that occurs right before that. I think it's noticeable on the CRD as the thing has such incredible torque. I suspect you wouldn't notice the jerking if you had the same transmission with a gas engine as it would kick down just to keep moving. I recently had a Blazer that spent most of its time down shifting trying to keep moving. Very frustrating.
I have developed a different style of driving with the CRD due to the turbo lag and different torque. You get used to it. I love my CRD and have absolutely no regrets - NONE!
Regarding mileage, I compare the computer reading each tank with a calculated value and have found the computer underestimates the mileage by about 1-2 mpg. I seem to be getting about 21 city, 27 highway. I'm impressed with the accuracy of the computer and I'm impressed with the EPA estimate.