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Board computer mileage 25,9 mpg
(2x295 miles, 2/3 on highway, continuous speed 82-88 mph. Rest of trip cities at max. 32 mph).
I am surprised, because there is 10% better mileage after remove the original TracLock diff and installing Powertrax automatic locker.
K&N filters, and I am happy for you.
However this subject was beat to death all ready once and maybe twice, and our HOST said that filters were to be talked about in that forum.
Personally, I have NOT found the CRD to require less maintenance. Maybe in terms of how often you preform maintenance, but when you do as the Owners Manual says according to schedule B, there is much more! Not only that but it cost about 40 to 60% more on top of that.
Farout
How much is diesel fuel where you are? I paid $2.639 for B-20 today. First time to ever use B-20, but I was nearly out of fuel, and had no choice. I try to avoid Bio fuel.
Farout
I like my CRD and I think it’s great in spite of a few minor problems. I am getting great mileage and mine runs fine with the stock exhaust and stock air cleaner. I am continually impressed with how well this small engine accelerates the CRD with light throttle.
My concerns are due to other people’s problems that I hope I don’t get. But I would not accuse people with problems of fixing "what is not broken.”
Farout
I enjoy visiting this forum. I do so almost every night.
The one thing that is getting old is that there is a few people that post in this forum that have proclaimed themselves as experts on the liberty diesel and not allowing other people to post without telling them that they are wrong. These people are experts on there own liberty not all libertys.
There are people that visit this forum that want to hear other opinions then those from those few.
Please allow these other people voice there opinions even if you disagree with them.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Feel free to find as much information on a Chrysler 462RFE. I can find nothing. Having talked to Star Reps, Chrysler/Jeep transmission specialists, and European enthusiasts as well as owning the technical specification for the 545RFE, I have been unable to verify a smidgen of reality to such a beast as a 462 or 462RFE. In fact, the US version of the CRD (as well as the foreign sales version as far as I can ascertain) avails only the 545RFE as an automatic transmission, which is a 5-speed version with a part# that stands for:
1) 5-speed version of the
2) 45RFE 4-speed (which is a moderate/heavy duty--hence the 5)
3) Rear drive transmission that is
4) Fully Electronically controlled
...hence the 545RFE
just as the 42RLE is the:
1) 4-speed light duty (hence the 2) transmission that is
2) Rear wheel drive with
3) Limited Electronic control
so that based on the notion that there is a 462RFE, it follows that you have a:
1) 4-speed version of the
2) 62RFE which is a 6-speed light duty transmission...etc
So then why would Chrysler downscale a 6-speed transmission to 4-speed that is also a light duty version for a Liberty that has a tow package added (therefore needing higher tolerance against breakdown from greater specific forces)??? That doesn't make good sense. I've heard that the xx462xxx nomenclature is an internal Chrysler part number, but I've not heard of the 462RFE.
Additionally, the tow package for the CRD appears to add nothing but a harness and hitch, which is quite different from the typical Chrysler tow package that usually affords an increased-capacity trans-cooler and radiator as well as load leveling shock absorbers on top of the hitch/harness.
I'm not attempting to be abrasive, and I could be wrong with the details/outlay, as I have been in the past. However, I challenge you to reference the contents of your manual as well as check with your DCX shop specialist in your area regarding your Lemerty's transmission and setup. And, please, prove me wrong if I am. Let's get empirical data, here.
Jones
I think a kinder gentler approach would be in order. Educate rather than posture. That will avoid flames and we'll all be happier.
tidester, host
It is aprox. 4.8 USD/USgallon. You can make some little party every weekend for the money you save!
In our Jeep selling points were warnings about using of Bio fuel under loosing of warranty.
Jones
Where in VA are you. I would be happy to fill you in on all the "fun".
To everyone who was following my troubles on this board: I went to the dealership where I purchased my replacement for the CRD and was told by the Manager that they picked up my old CRD from the repair facility after 44 days in the shop. The drove it to thier dealership. The next day after 5 miles it started shifting poorly again. They parked it. The next morning there was a large puddle of transmission fluid under the CRD. It is back at the Jeep delaership again and they are continuing to work on it. All I can say is THANK GOODNESS I DON"Y OWN THAT THING ANYMORE! :lemon: :lemon: :lemon: :lemon: :sick: I would be LIVID if That happened to me after 44 days in the shop. The good news is this only strengthens my case against Jeep!
The 462 on the side of your transmission is used only in the factory as a bin or complete part number, that's all the 462 is used for. You do have the 545 RFE. There is no CRD made that does not have the 462 number on it. I was really excited that the 462 stood for a stronger transmission, and when I found out I felt rather let down, but so help me it's the truth. Hope this helps.
Farout
I have never seen anyone refused a post unless the rules were not followed, so anyone can post, and anyone can state their opinion.
I do not agree with those who use oil above 5-40w oil. But There is respect, and when posts are made to say the opposite they are posted with respect, it's really simple.
I encourage you if there is something you are able to provide a source for disagreement stand your ground. But be prepared for some not to agree. This is only a forum, and it's doubtful you will ever see anyone face to face, so relax be cool and just enjoy.
Farout
Farout
Thank you, sir, for your thorough clarification. As the CO would say here at the Naval Air Station at Pax River, "you da man!"
Jones
I am in Richmond. You can see my email address in my profile here.
The irony is that everyone here and at Jeep has a vested interest in keeping the CRD story positive. At some point the bubble will burst.
I am thinking that this vehicle will preform as we had thought from when we bought it. It is important to remember that 11,000 CRD's were made for US use, and the number of CRD owners on this forum are not ever 1/100th of one percent of all the CRD owners.
Farout
I think that the 11,000 CRD that were made in the US and the rest that were made in EU; Toledo run out of steam. They run out of engine and tranny and they never thought that the CRD were going to be so sucessfull. I think that the CRD will come back on the 08 with the same engine and with a Particulate filter to pass EPA remember that the ulsd fuel is the key for the success of the new CRD.
nescosmo.
Besides the significant decrease in turbo lag, I have noticed that power delivery is more linear. Instead of "sag and shove", power delivery is smoother and less abrupt, almost like driving a naturally aspirated gasser except there is much more low end wallop.
Still to early to assess fuel economy effect but I have done some short highway runs and FE is unchanged.
As far as the oil in the filter is concerned...It's minor compared to the amount of oil that the CCV dumps into the intake system...
The muffler alone has made a big difference in quietness and performance. I will get back with the total results after the K&N is aboard! LK
I wish I could be as optimistic as you. Owning a motor vehicle in 2006 shouldn't demand so much troubleshooting and searching for solutions as you have done.
The CRD is fun to drive and in theory a great concept - until you are stuck alone on the highway at 7 am on a Sunday.
If you manage to get long term value and enjoyment from your CRD then I am envious. And, it will be your success, not Jeep's.
First I installed a K&N air filter.
Second I changed to a 2 1/2 flow master muffler.
Third I started using ULSD diesel.
The two biggest changes were the muffler and the diesel.
I did not relize how much difference the diesel made until the gas station that I was getting the diesel from had gotten a dilivery of the old diesel by mistake.
In my oppinion it now runs like it was designed to and it seems like it has less EGR toubles.
Someone please tell me if Im wrong about this: less retrictive exhaust makes less backpressure makes less EGR flow.
Im sure when they designed the motor they did not disign it to have a reduced size muffler. And we all know it was disigned to run the lower sulfer diesel from Europe.
By changing these three things it is just allowing it to run the way it was disigned to run.
This seems logical to me. I don't know what sensors the CRD uses to control the throttle inlet valve that ensures EGR flow under certain conditions. This might be a bit of a leap, but enhanced exhaust flow may be able to defeat this system somewhat. This might be why DC restricted the exhaust a little to begin with. Anything that decreases EGR flow without throwing error codes has to be a good thing for performance - doesn't it?
Prior to my EGR valve failing in the closed position CRD seemed to have less lag, a little better mileage and absolutely less black smoke.
thanks,
Skeeter
Dear William:
Thank you for contacting the Chrysler Group Customer Assistance Center.
The lower ball joint recall does not include an alignment. If the
dealership would have determined the vehicle needed an alignment this
matter should have been discussed with you.
We suggest that you contact the service management for further
assistance with this issue.
Thanks again for your email.
Sincerely,
Karrie
Senior Staff Representative
Chrysler Group Customer Assistance Center
Probably not that precise language, but something similar.
ULSD is 15 parts per million (PPM) or less.
I just found the paper with the diagram and part numbers on it from DynoMax. It does show 2.5 inch pipe.
The part numbers are 51002 for the adapter that goes between the CAT and the muffler.
The tailpipe is part number is 54288. There are two hangers, 35337 and three mufflers 17748, 17289, and 17513. The last two are the Ultra Flo model. The 17289 is the stainless steel version while other is aluminized steel.
Hope this helps.
You say something that is of interest to me namely the amount of oil in the CCV system of your CRD. Are you seeing a great deal of oil in th CCV or aftercooler hoses? Which oil are you using? Could you be over filling your CRD with oil?
The local Jeep Dealer here in Delray Beach says it is a stout trans that has been quite trouble free and reliable.
Check it out... http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2D630725P&N=7- 00+400304+306110+115&autoview=sku
I hope it's ok to give a link to a specific part!
Good luck friend! LK
Taylorsville is pumping B-100 again!
LK
Is this just a few vehicles having issues or is the CRD really a problematic vehicle?
2006 Jeep Liberty Sport 4X4 CRD
Inferno Red
Trailer Package
Smoking Package
Leather Wrap Steering Wheel
Speed Control/Fog Lights/Deep Tint Sunscreen Glass
Sirius Sat Radio
Sticker Price $27,250
Quoted Price $22,800
Does anyone have an opinion on the price? It seems decent to me for the package on this truck. Naturally, I'm worried about all of the problems I've read about here online, namely transmission, EGR as well as overall fuel economy.
I'm not one to spend a ton of time working on new cars nor do I want to be driving around in a rental as mine is being fixed. I guess my overall concern is that Jeep only produced 11,000 of these things for the States and I'm worried that four years down the line someone is going to say "not available" or "really expensive to replace/repair".
Opinions?
Satellite Radio.
We have 14K on ours with no problems at all except two recalls that never tripped computer lights. I've always used the Power Service additive, LSD diesel while anxiously awaiting the arriva of ULSD, and 5W40 synthetic oil on a 6K cycle.
It's been an outstanding vehicle for us and we are pleased.
As far as parts go, don't worry. All but engine is still made in the US and available. The engine and its sisters are still being made in Italy and it's possible the CRD will
still be made in Toledo for export. I haven't stayed fully up on other posts here with that info.
The worst part will be tech knowledge at the dealership
and as many posters have observed that is hit and miss.
Some places have truly talented and dedicated techs and others have a sleepy bear mentality as in "I ain't ever seen one of them before".
You have to remember, too, that many boards like this
are frequented by people who do have problems with their vehicle and are exasperated and perhaps even desperate and
mad looking for any available help.
Yes, we have considered purchasing an extended warranty
and with info provided by posters here will investigate that angle. It may be well worth it. We have 22K miles and 28 months to decide.
Our mileage is 19-22 in town, 23-25 on the highway at mostly 75. The 4X4 is terrific in bad weather which for us is
torrential rain. I occasionally pull a heavy trailer, within limits of course, without any problems. The CRD doesn't even downshift on a local hill.
Overall we are very pleased with our Jeep CRD. I do hope DCX is indeed serious about bringing quality diesel power to the US market.
We don't have our emergency supply of diesel at home as yet.
We were in the path of Katrina and the fuel lines were unreal especially for those who didn't top off ahead of the storm. We didn't have the diesel then but have given much thought and called a couple of people about how to set things up and even with the same original CRD B5 fuel blend.
Good luck with it and we hope you are happy.
Farout
Farout
Farout
Farout
FYI. The tech here is Delray Beach says that the addition of an extra trans cooler is a very worthwhile addition even if you do not tow. My interpretation of this statement is add the cooler.
Got it going, but that evening it started the infamous shudder. It would also give an intermittent MIL light with a code of P0039, which I have not been able to find. I have driven ~250 miles with these problems.
Today, I thought of "burping" the filter. I opened the air release valve and got quite a bit of air from the filter while pumping it up.
I have put ~100 miles on since then and no shudder.
Those of you with this problem may want to verify that all of your fuel lines are tight and also try to let some air out of the fuel filter assembly.