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Farout
Brand loyalty is what these oil companies depend on, and the male driver wants to be on top with the latest best brand according to the TV and car magizines. I only use Mobile ! because that's what DCX can't say I used the wrong kind of oil.
We do have at least one Amsoil dealer on the forum, and Amsoil oil most likely does ok, and like any other sell at home products there is money to be made selling the product.
Farout
Personally I could care less about which product someone uses, the point of my reply was to provide advice to someone to do their own Research. Amsoil like many others may have a specific use, and obviously is potentially overated for the General consumer. Hello, some products work differently than others, and have specific uses. First Amsoil is not cheap, and is not available in every corner auto parts store, therefore from my experience is not a candidate for an automotive maker. Why dont you see any of the big companies making engines that run on Ammonia, probably because it is not a readily available fuel and distribution could cause potential issues, however it is a very viable alternative, potentially better than unleaded petroleum gasoline.
Personally I think the choice you have been given is to choose a different product than what is being pushed by big business. Mobile 1 sells a hundred fold more than Amsoil yet the price is relatively close between the two, why is that? Who would try to prevent us from having those choices and charge high dollar for an easy to find Synthetic? Automotive companies are supported and participate in the SAE, and for those of you who are unfamiliar with this organization its called the Society of Automotive Engineers. This organization has been known for the last 35 years to Quash and hide technologies, such as an engine that runs on water, that might threaten its member's profits. Just like oils that have the potential to hold up longer than those made from Petroleum products. I have first hand knowledge of this organization since I was once a member of it, and my grandfather was the president for many years. The SAE provides kickbacks to the big 6 for each engine sold that requires a certain percentage of Petroleum products. The largest payoff in recent history was a sum of 18 billion dollars to get rid of the electric car program. The SAE paid to destroy those vehicles after ripping them from their owners without even asking them for permission. When the 2 largest competing companies joined, Exon and Mobile, the price has been increasing almost every day since the merge and the new company has recorded a record profit every single year since, after all they need to get all the profits they can before the EV1 or something like it comes back. Did you know that if you bought an EV1 they eventually came and took it back and in some cases without your permission right out of your driveway, in most cases while you were not around.
Whether you choose Amsoil, or Mobile 1 isn't really the point, its having more than one choice that matters. Even if Amsoil isnt the greatest chemical solution on the planet, who knows it may be I don't know, but its an alternative choice, so please keep the choices coming, its our right to be able to choose, dont let them take that away. Thank you to those who take the time to share useful information.
Peace, Mike
Thanks for you help
Rick
Some have had not a lick of problems and just have had the best ever experience. So there is a risk, and only you can make that choice. The value on these CRD's have gone done faster than I expected, and eventually parts will become an issue, as the engines are made in Italy.
My experience has been frustrating. We have been to the dealer 23 times in 17 months for 33 repairs, and 4 items have been repaired 4 times, and still are not fixed. Of the 33 items only 12 were related to the engine or computers that control the whole works. DCX is attempting to buy back our CRD, which we would like, but time will tell.
I would make sure that the differentials have been changed, the water/fuel filter has been changes and it has a recent oil change, and all recalls have been done. By the way only 2,300 2006 CRD's were made. The 2005 CRD had a 7 year 70,000 mile warranty, so with only 20,000 miles left on the warranty, I would say if you can't afford a 100,000 mile extended warranty don't even think about it. The EGR is more than $500. the egr flow valve is close to $400. the turbo with labor is more than $2,000. The PCM or the ECU or any of the other controllers are very expensive. Some have had the EGR replaced up to 5 times under warranty. This is not a vehicle for the faint of heart. I wish you well. I hope there are others that can also present some better info than me.
Farout
I'm sure your grandfather mentioned to you that those engines were once very popular but required huge amounts of coal to turn the water into steam and were rather bulky.
tidester, host
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The only 'food for the brain' available to engineers of the early 20th century was called 'Science Fiction'.
Engineers developed the use of steam, distributed electricity, made it possible to build the bomb, sent people on the moon, finalized the Liberty and now you want them to become chemists
However, as you well know (being an ME), the bomb, space travel and the Liberty were all based on established physical principles. Let's just say that to suggest the "water car" has been "quashed" at least requires a little more in the way of citing a physical basis. Even engineers need a reality check now and then.
tidester, host
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Have fun with that one.....
tjm
We ordered and picked up our 2006 Liberty CRD Limited in July 2006. We have 18K miles now, and no problems other than the original battery died (which they replaced) and three flat tires. The right rear tire (I rotate the tires every 5K miles) has picked up metal objects three times. The original tires must have magnets in them. I don't have this problem with the other two vehicles I have driving over the same roads, so I feel these tires are sub-standard. But I want to wear them out before I replace them. I really like the tire pressure monitoring system. I can see the tire going flat before it actually does, and it gives me a warning if I don't notice it. My wife loves our Liberty, since it maneuvers so well, and gets good fuel mileage to boot. I think she would like the smoothness and quietness of a gas liberty better, but it doesn't get the fuel mileage the CRD does. I really think that most of the Liberty CRDs are fine, but like any other type of vehicle, there are those that have problems. You have to make that decision. Check the history of the CRD you are considering and buy the Chrysler 100K extended warranty. I perform all the scheduled maintenance myself, so it costs a little for the parts and oil, and just a little time. Changing both differential fluids cost me under $30.00, and was not too hard to do. I had to remove the skid plate under the front differential, which was easy and only four bolts. The rear differential was even easier. I change the engine oil and filter every 5K miles, and use Rotella-T synthetic 5w-40 and Fram oil filter from Wal-Mart, which also cost me under $30. These are just two examples. Bottom line for us is, we are happy with our CRD to this point.
Take care,
SemperFi06
I am really sorry that you have had such problems with your Liberty CRD. You have been such a help and breath of fresh air to me on this forum. You have kept such a positive attitude and tried to work through all the issues with your vehicle. If Daimler-Chrysler does not properly take care of you financially by either properly fixing your vehicle and giving you a credit or monetary incentive for your troubles, or a very generous buy-back of your Liberty CRD, then I feel they are really "missing the mark." You are the type of customer that a good auto maker should strive to keep. They should be bending over backwards to keep you satisfied. From all your post, I feel you have properly maintained your vehicle (I am a school and field trained auto mechanic and I have enjoyed working on vehicles from a child), so they should not try to cut your buy-back offer because you didn't change the differential fluids on schedule B, which is overly stringent from my experience. Sounds like one of their tools they are trying to use to keep from paying for repair work or to get the price down when you trade, etc. WRONG WAY TO DO BUSINESS. Did I change mine, yes, but I probably can do it much easier than many others can. And my 06 Liberty has standard differentials that don't require an additive like possibly your 05 Liberty does (according to which rear differential you have). If you are not treated fairly, please let me know. It will really influence any future decision to buy a Chrysler product when looking to buy a new vehicle again...and I have bought six new Chrysler products in the past. I really am hoping that the U.S. automotive industry will see the light and offer better products, with better service, and at better prices than all foreign auto manufacturers. So much for the U.S. is riding on this...I apologize to everyone for getting on my "soap box." I hope you can keep your Liberty CRD on good terms and stay in the forum.
Take care,
SemperFi06
tidester, host
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Cute and moderately funny, but no, not the steam engine. For those of you who have no clue about chemistry and how it all works, here are the details of process that was created by a scientist creates energy by separating one of the Hydrogens from a water molecule. A specific electric current and mixture of free radicals in a cylinder and you have a situation where a sudden break of one of the hydrogens breaking/snaping off from H20 will generate about 16 joules of energy, doesnt sound like much, and its about 1 and 1 millionth of the energy generated by the atom strip (or neucleur reaction), but its plenty enough to throw the cylinder back the other direction. As you can imagine there would be absolutely no by products, at least non that we have bee able to calculate.
The only reason some of you may have actually heard of this engine technology was due to a compagn by Steven Segal kicked off by a 5 minute speach at the end of a late 1980s movie about burning Oil wells. He was the engineer who had to show up and put out the oil fire.
Anyway, it is real technology, and there are hundreds of other inventions that will eventually render petroleum useless. But hey don't take my word for it. Do your own research.
I.e., you must supply energy to produce the separation. Unfortunately, you cannot get more energy out from recombination than you put in.
tidester, host
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Water (H20) also has an energy factor holding it together (sometimes referred to as Electron potential) and depending on how to break it apart you get a measurable amount of energy that you can harness in various different ways.
I digress.... Thanks for the basic chemistry relapse.
The common problem to the new technologies is storing the energy produced in a 'parasitic' way such as by braking going downhill when the accumulators are already fully charged.
Several hybrid vehicles are under test and it seems they cannot beat the smaller diesels on the overall mileage aspect. For example, the Renault Clio common rail will give you 60 mpg (3.9 L/ 100 KM),
Thanks
Rick
Farout
Just out of curiosity, is the one you are looking at a Sport or Limited? And what part of the country are you in? 19k sounds like a very low price....I'm just wondering if the resale of our vehicles has fallen that quickly, or if you just found a good deal from somebody needing to sell off their vehicle (was it a dealership or individual?). My experience with my 06 has been flawless so far (18k miles), though the experiences others have expressed on this forum do concern me. I did not buy an extended warranty, and plan to sell mine next year when I get close to 36k miles. I'm sure repairs are inevitable, but as hard as it's been for people to get warranty repairs done correctly, I can only imagine what they will charge me if I'm paying out of pocket. I love my jeep and it is a blast to drive, but the risk of owning it out of warranty overrides the fun I've had driving it.
I look forward to hearing more about the one you are looking at buying.
Twocycle2
It is an individual who has it and it is the sport model.I dont think your value has dropped.I think this is just a good price.I have found one at a car lot that was gone when I called.It was a 05 and they wanted around 21k.Dont know what it went for.Another I found at a dealer is a 06 and they want 26k.tjm3472 said he found a good extended warranty for under a $1000.I have been looking into that.If you read this tjm can you tell me where you were able to find this.Every where I check is alot more than that.I would feel alot better not having to worry about big out of pocket expenses but on the other hand I sure dont want to spend a fortune on a warranty.Oh yea,I am in Ohio.
Rick
ball joints
turbo charger
egr
battery
rear rotors and pads
alternator
This is a big fat joke. :lemon:
I take it off road, fly over speed bumps at 45 or 50 and pull a 30 foot Four Winds/Dutchmen Camping Trailer that weights a lot, and this diesel is a tank, it just keeps on ticking, never compains, and pulls better than anything else I could buy that gets 35 mpg highway.
The coolest part of a diesel engine is they last a REALLY long time, and require very little maintenance. I have to change the oil on my Toyota Minivan every 3,000 or I get double metal shavings in the used oil. Ther have been times I streched my CRD oil change to 12k and still no major increase in metal shavings. I dont normally risk past 10k miles on a diesel, but it can take the punishment. The EGR issues I believe can be attributed to cleaning issues, consider using an Elephant Hose from your Crant Case Vent (holler if you interested in what this is) or possibly just remove the EGR all together with a Greasel Race Downpipe like I did on my 01 Jetta TDI, I would guess one will be out soon for the Liberty CRD. You dont need an EGR unless your worried about emissions, I try to keep my biodiesel tank full, but sometimes I will go a couple of tanks of diesel because it just too cold here in Winter to collect from restraunt waste tanks. If you take out your EGR
you may fail an emissions test unless you are running on a really good biodiesel or pure vegetable oil.
Anyway, I totally love this beast, and if something breaks I would like to try and fix it myself, its not that tough, plenty of resources out there, for example on LostKJs.com on the CRD forum, thousands of intelligent diesel techs who drive a CRD that talk on that forum.
Thanks for reading, Mike
- The revision number(s) of your ECU software.
Potential CRD buyers who read this forum can easily access this information and check before buying the truck that it uses a reliable version of software :shades:
Have you noticed any trace of polymerization of your fuel?
tjm
But there's lots more in the Engine Oil - A slippery subject Part 2 and Synthetic motor oil discussions - we can get back to the Liberty Diesel in here any time now.
Thanks for the reply.When you can let me know what the elephant hose is and how to use it.I am not worried about emissions,we arent tested in my part of the state so far.I was just afraid it wouldnt run right with it not working.Thats what I like about the diesel is how long it lasts.Glad to hear that your crd is runnung so well.
What I have done is disconnect the EGR, put in a relay connected to a potentiometer across the IAT temp sensor. The computer thinks the EGR is there so no MIL and without EGR off the line the thing runs like it should have from day 1.
I currently have 67000+ miles on mine. The only issue I have at the moment is the transmission programming does not fully lock the TC until 62 mph. When going uphill @ 53 the TC will slip and chatter if I give it too much fuel.
I also think that straight DC would produce H faster than any type of pulsed voltage.
Farout
You sound like an intellegent man, and surely you can see unless you have a Jeep dealer willing to falsify some records for you, incase of and engine problem, there will be a hot time on the south pole while you try to get warranty work done.
I can tell you first habd that without proof you have kept up with scheduel B there is a rough road to get any engine work warrantied.
I am not intending to argue with you only saying it's very hard to get these distric reps to bend. I sure hope you have the very best CRD sold in the USA, as I can see you have a lot of fun with yours.
Farout
Actually, it would be better to use the "reply" link when replying to another message rather than starting a new "thread" and typing in a new title. It's easier for members to follow that way.
tidester, host
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Good point! However ...
I keep resisting the temptation to get into the fray but people need to understand that you just cannot break even in splitting up water molecules and trying to get useful work out of burning the hydrogen. It takes energy to split up those molecules, which you cannot do with 100% efficiency, and you cannot get 100% efficiency when converting the energy from combustion to useful work.
Even if you could do both with 100% efficiency, you would have to "invest" exactly the same amount of energy as you would extract.
Okay, I'm stepping down from my soapbox.
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
Even our sun does have a time of expiration so I have heard. However I doubt any of us will see that happen. I enjoy a good soap box talk on occasion.
Farout
Farout
Just check world news :P
Your beating your head against the wall. Contact your State Attorney General's Office and a Good lemon law lawyer. You need to talk to people that know the law and are not biased against you. Have you talked to a lawyer who will be able to represent your interests? If not your making a costly mistake.
People still try to get patents for "perpetual motion machines" but, as cleverly as they may be, they simply cannot get around the laws of thermodynamics!
Caribou1 said:
the only thing that can start without much energy and keep going forever is RUMOR
I'll add another one - Conspiracy Theories!
tidester, host
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The Service manager told the District Rep he never wanted to work on the Green Beast ever again! They had it in the shop all day yesterday and could not fix the fuel gage, the speed control, or the shuddering. They think it all is computer connected, and Star can't help fix it. They too see how the power has been changed by F37, but no answers as how to fix anything. The Tec that worked on it said he hates to work on something he can't fix. They admit this is a dead end street. I am not sure where they take these vehicles that are buy backs, maybe the auction and sell it with no warranty?
We did get legal advice. There is a big charge to hire a attorney, most base the charge on time involved to get it settled. We do have the paper work to back up our displeasure with this Green Beast. The big issue for most people is lack of tangible proof. The documents to prove the repairs and attempts at repair are the only thing that counts. We have all these things, plus the Service manager who has reached his end of the rope.
Farout