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Pretty soon there will not be a color option, black will be the only color.
And Acura will become the affordable Luxury car for the masses and it will be renamed with a new model moniker , Model "T".
Well I've had cars with and without leather and I much prefer the leather, not because it gives the appearance of luxury, but because I feel it's more comfortable, easier to clean, and looks better. I will never go back to cloth seats.
TSX is a better compromize than Accord V6, if you driven one, you will soon feel the "nose heavy" characteristics. Besides, the new Accord is about the size of my grandma's Buick park avenue. Way too big for my liking.
Well I've driven both. I did not find the Accord too nose heavy and I don't think it's too big. In fact, I think it's the perfect size. The TSX on the other hand is too small. I feel like I'm driving a Civic.
I hope Honda is listening and does bring over a decontented TSX for about $20K. (no leather, no xenon, no climate control, just plain A/c, power windows and locks, optional sunroof, and 16 inch wheels instead of useless 17)
Why don't you just get a Civic instead?
I guess I understand about bridging the gap between the RSX (Intergra) and TL (Legend). what about bridging the gap between Civic and the New accord. There used to be Nissan Altima, but it too gone the steroidal injection and overgrew.
"Dukda #133 "I just feel like I'm not getting my money's worth if I don't get a V6."
M3, IS300 they are not V6s but inline 6s"
I was just qouting previous poster.
"Well I've had cars with and without leather and I much prefer the leather, not because it gives the appearance of luxury, but because I feel it's more comfortable, easier to clean, and looks better. I will never go back to cloth seats."
I have had cars with leather, and would never go back to leather. To each is his own.
I don't like the burning hot leather against my skin in summer, and stiff ice cold in winter. And if you are wearing anyhting, most people do when they drive, you will most defenately slide in the seat. At least I do, in turns.
Thanks!
At 15,000 units a year they don't have to come off the price very much at all. However if demand for this vehicle is only about 7000 then you'll see some discounts.
But my guess is that there are at least 10,000 Honda/Acura loyalists who will flock to this car and maybe another 5000 who are just won over by the overall goodness and balance of this vehicle especially considering it's price range.
The TSX has a very disappointing radio and is a little underpowered - especially at full load. Tell then you don't think it's worth what they want and you'll only pay what it's worth. Let us know what happens - and be prepared to buy.
By the way. I LOVE this car. Sold my crappy 99 A4 1.8t to get it. The TSX is fun to drive, feels great, plenty enough torque and pep, corners well - sits very flat, but with very comfortable highway ride, perfectly designed inside, everything works well. Only complaint is that the speakers are lousy (but that is easy to fix). If you like smaller, fun, comfortable, reliable cars but want better performance and luxury than the family sedans, I can't imagine a better value than this (I realize this is probably an argument for a different message board....)
They are also one of those dealerships where they include Mud Guards, Truck Tray, Wheel Locks and an Environmental Protection Package, at the buyers expense and put them on every car. I have seen them give those items away for free but they haven't gone under MSRP except for the 2 above cars.
They had 15 TSXs last month and sold them all. This month they only have 4 that are not already spoken for, which is crazy.
As for performance, I do agree they are under powered. I don't mind driving them but if I was to buy I would want a little more. The Type S model will more then likely get a super charger since I was told they want to save the V-6 for the TL.
Your post #176 implies that you purchased your car for "$500 under invoice". Don't you mean $500 under MSRP? The two are VERY different. Invoice, including $500 destination charge, is $24,647. Add the three accessories, that you could buy from any number of websites for $200, and total "invoice" would be about $24,847.
It's great that you are satisfied with your deal though. $500 bucks off MSRP for a TSX is fine at this point in the model run. The dealer made up $300 of it in the three accessories though.
Best of Luck,
CUSAFR
Sorry they weren't budging. If you e-mail me at jcampod@hotmail.com, I will send you the name of the salespeople in OKC I worked with. If you want, I will photocopy my sales paperwork and you can use that for bargaining in Dallas!
The price in San Antonio at Gunn is $1k off MSRP, both nav and non-nav. I know they have a few black ones and 1 white one on the lot (I drive by them everyday to work). I also have a point of contact there if you are interested, but forum rules won't allow me to post that info on the site. They are a great dealer, and the no-haggle makes working with them pleasant (I did have to squeeze the salespeople at Bob Howard, but did get a great car there!).
Hope this helps!
jcampod: Thanks. If it doesn't work out for me at Bob Howard, I'll get the info from you and fax it to the sales manager at Goodson. Since they thought I was lying, it would be nice to throw that in their face. If they won't match, even with proof, I'll go to Gunn. I would rather spend a little more $$$ to be treated like a customer should be treated. BTW, did they give you any accessories or was the car bare? Thanks again!
Thanks,
CUSAFR
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I'd love to see the museum!
Eneg (The Day The Music Died!)
CUSAFR
Also, the EX with Leather 2.4L has a TMV of 21,929 and is the closest thing to a TSX that the Accord line has. So, say you go to Gunn and get the TSX w/o Nav for 25,990, there's a $4K diff in price.
Other things I noticed - the Accord packs 160 HP, does not have tiptronic, is not made to be a sport-luxury car. I have not done all the feature comparisons between models, and do realize $4K might be a little much to pay for the extras you get, but I can tell you this - I have a 01 Accord 3.0L V-6 EX, paid $22,900 for it...if the TSX was available back then, I would have bought that instead in a heartbeat. The extra $$ would have been worth it to me. It's all personal preference.
Regarding your post #178
Sorry, you are right, I erred. It was not invoice but rather msrp. For clarity though, it was $500 under msrp + they threw in $500 (list price) worth of accessories. Total then was 1000 under msrp of the car + accessories. I realize that the dealer has a much higher margin and flexibility on the accessories, so it is not really $1000 under base msrp, but for anyone looking to get a "deal", they might also want to go this route. I got the mud guards (which look great), all weather mats, luggage net (handy).
Here we only get 16" crappy mags but apart from that its the same as the US model. We call it the Honda Accord EURO here.
Same situation with Infiniti, of course. My mom got an Infiniti I35 last October. Local Nissan dealer can do warranty work, but without the loaner car benefit. I imagine there's a good chance the same is true for Acura and Honda.
MacChurchill Acura has never been a very big player in the metroplex. But, they have a big new fancy dealership now, so that might change. I stopped by there a couple of months ago and they had only one 6-speed and no automatics. Salesman said he'd call when they got an auto for me to drive. I've never heard from him! Imagine that; a car salesman who doesn't call every other day! :-)
Personally, I'd pay the difference between the Accord and the TSX. I've driven an auto TSX now; at Vandergriff. It was great and it's the right size for me and it has style. I think the new Accord is just butt ugly. To me it looks like a Peugeot.
btw - the 4 in the TSX and Accord has a timing chain instead of a belt. that's a good thing imho.
I also have a 2002 Honda Accord (wife's car) which I like the body style much better than the 2003. I talked to the sales manager there and he said he would love to get an Acura dealership! Forgot now why he said they could not, or would not. I'll ask him again next time I see him.
Thanks for your comments!
CUSAFR
I went to Ocean and they would not budge off of MSRP, they were willing to give me a fair value on my trade though. However, I still don't think that is enough of a discount.
I wanted to hear from anyone who has been to any other dealerships in the area and done better. I need some more leverage.
I appreciate the help.
I'm really looking at the AT with silver or smoke exterior and the NAV system (fog lights if possible too).
My question, as this is the first car I've ever bought, is that is it possible for me to get a better deal if I pay for the car all up front?
This is the method I'm using since I have access to the money and want to avoid any interest over the years. Basically I want to get it to under $30k (including tax) which makes it about $27,500 (before tax).
Is this sort of payment a possible bargaining tool or does method of payment really mean anything to them?
Thanks for your help.
It's still the summer of 2003 and the car is a 2004. The novelty of driving a 2004 car in 2003 hasn't worn off yet. I'm not even going to try for serious bidding until other 2004s start filling the showrooms. I'd expect that to be in the fall.
TSX dealer inventories seem to remain fairly tight at this point although they also appear to have climbed about 50% in the last 2-3 weeks.
regards,
kyfdx
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I'd like to know if you think this is a fair offer:
Desired vehicle:
arctic blue TSX AT (no NAV)
spoiler
fog lights
cargo net
cargo tray
Desired Sale Price: $26,500 plus $500 destination charge.
I'm willing to go up to $26,800, but I'd try to negotiate for some kind of limited free service agreement for that.
This would be in the San Jose/Bay Area, CA region. Do you think my offer is reasonable, too high, or too low?
CUSAFR
MSRP (incl dest.) plus cost of accessories (without installation charge) = $27840.
Are you suggesting that I should offer an even lower price?
Or, maybe not. Maybe there is going to be a surprising national trend away from slushboxes and to nifty short-throw 6-speed manual trannies. One can always hope! However, I suspect the car is aimed at a small niche market. A very passionate niche, but a small one.
FWIW, there are countless Acura dealers' parts departments who sell the accessories like the fog lights and the trunk mat at deep discount over the internet.
My wife bought a Honda Odyssey a couple of years ago, we paid sticker, with no add-ons, and the dealer threw in the window etching for free. While I would have liked it better at $3000 under the sticker price like the domestic vans, I didn't think that was "unfair" because the deeply discounted minivans from the "Big Three" were still priced about the same as the Oddy.
I believe I got obtained very steeply discounted prices for the accessories I desire from an internet dealer I found by searching google for "TSX wing spoiler"
Their prices were the ones I used to calculate a total "offer" price:
Spoiler: 466.70
Fog Lights: 279.50
Cargo Net: 24.70
Cargo Tray: 76.70
I have to assume that the markup on these parts (for the particular dealer) is very low, since I've seen the same parts at other dealers for up to 40% more.
Does anyone know if dealer-installed accessories like those mentioned above are covered under the 48 mo/50K mi Acura warranty? (I assume that if you buy them and install them yourself you aren't covered by any kind of warranty, so the only real benefit of paying for dealer labor is warranty coverage.)
Parts themselves carry 1 year warranty from Honda, even if it is self installed. You just not covered for labor, in other words you would have to remove it to get warranty serice on it.
What was the best price that you could get in Toronto for a TSX in automatic?
B
Can you share the details of your lease? How much did you have to pay upfront and how much are your monthly payments? I'm trying to figure out what a good deal is for leasing this car.
Thanks.
Paid $1,125 up front (1st month, bank fee, tags, no security deposit returning customer).
Monthly payment is $398 (which includes 9% tax in Phila suburbs).
Dealer added wheel locks and mud gaurds at no charge.
I traded in a Civic...net they gave me $1,092.
Here are the details TSX auto, no navi 48 month lease, 12,000 miles a year (the warranty is 4 fours/50,000 miles)
$1,500 down
$550 bank fees
$319.62 first months payment
$130 registration and plates
$200 in some other BS fees
Total $2,7XX. I took the trade in value and out of pocket was $1,633.00. I bought in the car at Acura of Ocean, in Ocean NJ. Deal was smooth. I did paper work on Wednesday night, delivered car Early Thursday morning!
Hope this helps! I went with the 48 month lease because of the warranty. I figure I'm covered for the term of the lease under the warranty. If I love the car, I'll keep it....
Thanks for the information. Now I have a better understanding of where my numbers fall.
Edmunds lists invoice at $24,147 + 500 destination
Kelly BBook lists invoice at $22,956 + 500 destination
Anyone have knowledge at where dealer cost is for the car...maybe even including a 3% holdback
thanks
The kbb price indicates a 15% markup! And this doesn't factor in the 3% holdback.
Thanks!