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  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,198
    Upstate NY. $2.91 at the local indie station. That's the lowest it has been in a few months. How's that happen when oil is $77 a barrel?

    My personal conspiracy theory is that the oil companies are jacking up the prices while George Bush is still there to protect them. When Hillary is elected queen...er...president she'll bash them non-stop. They'll need all that reserve cash then. ;)

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    Scattered stations in the usual competitvely-priced areas at $2.449. And high stations are $2.699 and $2.599.

    Just to keep some of the naysayers happy, I figure this is all a part of the plot to get everyone using a lot more fuel after they cut back when there was this severe danger of a shortfall in supply due to refineries (and hurricanes forcast) a few weeks back. They built up a large supply despite the shutdown of a part of the refinery in Whiting while they were trying to raise the price to $3.50 and $4.00 a gallon, so they have to use up that reserve they hoped they wouldn't be stuck with... :P ;)

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • hansiennahansienna Member Posts: 2,312
    Salt Lake City Utah suburbs: $ 2.939.

    Looks like another good reason for administration change. :shades:
  • rockyleerockylee Member Posts: 14,017
    Paid $2.86 a gallon a couple of days ago at the BP station in South Haven, Mi.

    imidazol97, your a lucky dog with that cheap gas !!!! :P

    -Rocky
  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
    My usual Sunoco truck stop, Palisades Park NJ

    87 - $2.759
    89 - $2.859
    91 - $2.919
    93 - $2.959
    diesel - $2.719

    kcram - Pickups Host
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    $2.67 at East Coast for 87, $2.68 at Valero, and $2.69 at many places.

    So, what happened to the conspiracy theories? It's still summer, oil prices are going up, yet gas prices are lower than this time last year. :confuse:
  • jae5jae5 Member Posts: 1,206
    are mimicking California. Filled-up on the way to work on Monday (6am) for $3.089, the cheapest at the time. Everyone else was running in the $3.159 range. Yesterday on the commute home the Speedway that's usually the highest of all stations I pass was actually the lowest at $3.059 for 87 octane. No price drops for petrol in the area as far as I can tell. Prices in the city are running about 10 ~ 20 cents higher depending on station/location.

    Rock,
    Prices in Texas (Brownsville, McAllen areas) were running $2.67 ~ $2.75 last week; didn't take notice of the prices in Mexico, sorry.
  • johnny4016johnny4016 Member Posts: 112
    You must be High.

    We are and have been well above that for 6 months now.

    87 Octane $3.20
    89 Octane $3.30
    91 Octane $3.40

    There are some stations that are a little more and some that are a little less, but for the most part this is the average price in Southern California.

    To top that off, we also get crap fuel. It's also been hotter than 105 degrees for several weeks so the fuel in the tank is also hot and expanded. Which means we are actually getting less volume than we are paying for. It realitively basic knowledge. You heat osmething up or freeze it and it expands. The mass does not get more, just the density increase which takes up more room. So 1 gallon of fuel is more like 9/10 a gallon. I have also kept a detailed record of how much fuel I've used and how much I have put in my vehicle when I fill up for the past 19 months.
    And our 91 Octane is not really 91 Octane. Most stations have 1 hose now for all 3 octane levels. So if someone used 87 Octane before you and you use 91 Octane, your going to get 87 Octane from the pump to the nozzel, probably at least a half gallon or more.

    But who cares, right. Obviously the idiots in California don't. They are seen on the news reporting, well we got to have it, so I guess we will pay for it. Of course the media probably doesn't play the clips of people who like me are frustrated and let the oil companies and service stations that are gouging have it. Those clips get deleted.
    E.M.S.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Regular $2.97
    mid grade $3.09
    high test $3.19

    Diesel took a jump though - after being $2.99 for most of the summer, it's now $3.06.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Member Posts: 2,918
    South Central PA is $2.77-$2.79 with Sam's Club checking in about 6 cents lower.

    Oil prices up but gasoline is down. I wish someone had the guts to investigate gas prices. This goes against the logic they have been feeding us the past 2-3 years. In the spring, supposedly, refineries were having a tough time keeping up with demand. Maintenance, gasoline formula change over, etc. Now come summer, all of a sudden they have a surplus. And haven't they been telling us all along that refineries are operating at 95%. Someone please tell me how the refineries were able to catch up during peak driving season?????

    Me thinks there is more to this then supply and demand. :mad:
  • hansiennahansienna Member Posts: 2,312
    I don't know where you buy gasoline, but Anaheim and Barstow prices are MUCH lower and have been for 2 months.
    Yesterday:
    Garden Grove: ARCO and Mobil for $ 2.759
    Anaheim: ARCO and Chevron for $ 2.839
    Barstow: Flying J and Circle K for $ 2.919 BUT some stations in Barstow are $ $ 3.359 and the average for Barstow is $ 3.169.
    The low for Anaheim area is $ 2.759, average is $ 2.889, and the highest is $ 3.199. You can check prices at:

    http://autos.msn.com/everyday/GasStations.aspx?m=1&l=1&zip=92802&x=22&y=6
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    Me thinks there is more to this then supply and demand.

    Well you'd be wrong.

    People don't purchase oil, they purchase gasoline. The supply of gasoline has been going up because more oil is being refined, reducing the price of gasoline. However, the result of this increased refining is that the stockpiles of oil have been going down, increasing the price of oil. These numbers are set somewhat in advance on the options market and don't have to move in perfect tandem. The price trends of oil and gasoline can lead or follow each other but the ultimate limiting force on the low side will be the price of oil. If oil stays around $75/barrel the price of gasoline can't be sustained below $2.80/gallon, maybe temporarily but not for long.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Member Posts: 7,709
    do you have a response to the above post?

    "Yeah, I've got a response. Ahh...what?"

    2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick

  • dtownfbdtownfb Member Posts: 2,918
    tpe: please explain how we had a shortage of gasoline supplies in the spring (gas prices go up), refineries are operating at over 90% capacity and somehow during the peak driving season we now have a more gas? A while back, the limiting point was the refinery capacity. Everyone was talking that we don't have enough refineries; we need to build more to keep up with demand. How, all of a sudden, can we produce enough gas to have an adequate supply that gas is now lower during peak driving season after complaining all spring about low supplies? Analyst were predicting $4 gas by mid summer.

    I understand supply and demand. I understand your post but this phenomenon goes against everything they have been feeding us for the past 3 years which is why I suspect that there is serious manipulation of the gas prices that don't follow the basic laws of supply and demand. The article I read had some analysts are now predicting gas returning to $2 by late fall.

    Based on your argument, gas prices should be trending upward not down since the oil stockpiles are getting lower while demand is increasing. It would make sense that the gas prices should go up so we use less gas thus not using the oil stockpile as quickly. Again, over the past 3 years the trend has been the higher the oil prices means higher the gas prices, in many cases almost immediately. Of course they don't come down as quickly when oil prices go down. Hmmmmmmmmmm. When did this change?

    Don't get me wrong, I like the lower price in gas but this volatility is getting ridiculous. It won't last.

    I don't understand why we need so many differnt formulation of gasoline. Use the one that burns the cleanest and be done with it. Maybe I am looking at this too simplistically....
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    This disconnect between oil and gas prices has been a fairly recent phenomena. I believe it is primarily a result of the increased volatility in the market. Where there is volatility there is the potential to make money if you time the swings correctly. So options traders are jumping in and exacerbating this volatility. The price swings of oil and gasoline may appear not to follow each other but I think that when looked at in the long term they will.

    The argument about high gasprices due to insufficient refining capacity has been overblown. We import large amounts of refined, unleaded gasoline all the time. There is no real need for domestic refineries to meet domestic demand. It can lead to short term price spikes but it's not as big a deal as some imply.

    I personally don't like refineries from an environmental perspective. Since we are already importing so much oil we might as well have it already refined into gasoline.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    The marketing excuse that in the spring the need to refine various blends for all the special gasoline requirement areas was the reason for high prices because of "shortages" of those individual blends. Now at high driving season, after raising prices drastically in this area of the Midwest because of refinery shutdown problems near Chicago and Kansas City, etc., they find the supply greatly exceeds use and the prices drop to $2.33 in this area.

    But after more than a week of prices at $2.50 and below all of a suddden there's an emergency price rise of $.25 to about $2.69 at most stations (they all found the same new price--isn't it amazing how that works).

    As for all the explanations about disconnects as excuses for raising/maintaining high prices which were connected to the high price of oil, the excuse that disconnects now are the explanation... sounds like too much public relations tikme is being spent and being bought by some individuals.

    It's all about profits.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • dtownfbdtownfb Member Posts: 2,918
    Thanks for the explanation tpe. I never knew that we could meet our demand by simply importing refined gasoline. Of course it is probably more expensive then domestic.

    Imidazol97: you picked up on what I was alluding to. To me, you have speculators who are driving the prices of gasoline instead of the normal supply and demand. It's how much cna I profit off of this. Yes we are using more gas so it should be higher then a decade ago. but the volatility of the prices is ridiculous. After watching a special on the Enron case a month ago, I'm very suspicious.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    Of course it is probably more expensive then domestic.


    Not much more expensive. Obviously there are transportation charges involved but the refining costs can be lower in other countries, which will somewhat offset that.
  • customsoftailcustomsoftail Member Posts: 5
    2.64 a gallon in Planoi texas for 87
  • jae5jae5 Member Posts: 1,206
    No, not high. We've only been at that price for the past couple weeks. It was actually $3.39 ~ $3.59 when that last escapade in the east happened, as well as the refinery problems. We have only hit this "low" pricing in the past week and a half. Check my past posts and you would have seen my price reports for my NW burb as well as city prices, which hit +$4.00 at the peak.

    You would have known that if you weren't in such a rush to throw an insult out...

    BTW, city is mimicking your prices, with full-serve slightly higher.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    Prices are dropping already after rising to $2.69 when they got the fax yesterday. Down to $2.579 in the price competitive area.

    Importing refined gasoline is nice, but having built more refinery capacity means we won't be dependent on a foreign country for adequate suppliers in the future. It's too bad the NIMBY and "green" folk blocked refineries for 40 years. Now the oil companies are using alterate fuels as an excuse not to invest in refinery capacity increases. The refinery portion was mentioned as a source of increased profits now in something that I read. So the margin the companies charge that own the refineries has increased: surprise, surprise.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    Importing refined gasoline is nice, but having built more refinery capacity means we won't be dependent on a foreign country for adequate suppliers in the future

    In terms of being dependent what does it matter whether we need to import 12 million barrels of oil a day or 12 million barrels of refined products?

    People focus way too much on the number of refineries. While that hasn't gone up the existing refineries have expanded capacity tremendously over the past 20 years. Same result.

    The refineries margin (crack spread) was huge prior to Memorial Day. Since then the price of oil has gone up $10/barrel and the price for unleaded gasoline has gone down 40 cents a gallon. This represents a big hit at both ends. Currently the margin that refineries are making isn't all that great.

    What I find interesting is that no matter what gas prices do you see it as evidence of some conspiracy. The fact that gas stations seem to change their prices in unison has been going on for as long as I've been driving, which is 33 years.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    >The fact that gas stations seem to change their prices in unison has been going on for as long as I've been driving, which is 33 years

    What I find interesting is that you still haven't figured it out.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • jae5jae5 Member Posts: 1,206
    Usual Meijers:
    $2.999 for 87
    $3.099 for 89
    $3.199 for 91

    Lowest sightings: Speedway, BP and No-Name stations were @ $2.949 for 87 octane on work route (the BP petrol price was a nice surprise). Gas City is selling E85 for $2.56.

    Highest sightings were by work, with 87 octane for $3.119 at the Shell and BP, the usually high Speedway in Warrenville was holding steady @ $3.059

    In Chi-town (south-side) petrol was $3.359 average for 87 octane over the weekend. Some ticks higher in downtown areas.

    Right over the border in Indy prices were $2.80 for 87 octane.

    The bad part about these lower prices is that the speed-demons (trying to be nice) have increased dramatically. These jokers have really short memories or have an untapped fuel supply somewhere. :confuse: Even people in Priuses (or is it Pri-i?) are leaving me in the dust on the morning commute. Whatever happened to conserving :confuse:
  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
    My usual Sunoco truck stop in Palisades Park NJ. They have abandoned their usual 10-cent gaps (87-89-93) for the first time in recent memory...

    87 - $2.699
    89 - $2.819
    91 - $2.919
    93 - $2.939
    diesel - $2.739

    kcram - Pickups Host
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    $2.64 for 87 at East Coast.

    $2.65 at Hess, Sheetz, and Kangaroo.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    Even people in Priuses (or is it Pri-i?) are leaving me in the dust on the morning commute. Whatever happened to conserving

    Yeah, I've noticed that too. I went up to PA for the weekend, and at one point I was doing about 70 in my Intrepid, when a Prius shot past me at around 80! I wonder what kind of fuel economy they get when you drive them like that?
  • urnewsurnews Member Posts: 668
    when a Prius shot past me at around 80!

    That's probably wide open, top end for a Prius isn't it? LOL.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,023
    local Citgo is down to $2.819/2.899/2.999 for 87/89/93. I was running around today doing errands, and noticed a lot of gas stations advertising 87 down in the $2.7X range, but their prices for 89 and 93 were notably higher. I guess that's how they getcha.
  • jd10013jd10013 Member Posts: 779
    7-11 and sheets 2.55 for regular. they're across the street from each other, so they always match prices. if I searched around, could probably find it for 2.20 as the two stations I mentioned are seldom the lowest in town.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    $2.59 for 87 at Sheetz, Kangaroo, and Valero.

    I still can't believe it. Last year the price peak occurred in July-August, which makes sense to me. This year it was May. :confuse:
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    $2.89 regular
    $3.01 mid-grade
    $3.11 hi-test

    $3.05 diesel

    Just got back from a short trip to LA where regular was $2.97 to $3.17 when I happened to notice.
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Member Posts: 1,060
    regular...$2.44.9/gallon
  • hansiennahansienna Member Posts: 2,312
    WHY is gasoline less expensive in Anaheim/Garden Grove than in LA? :confuse:
    We saw name brand 87 octane gasoline at $ 2.779 on Ball Road on thursday August 9th. The same station is now $ 2.759 in Anaheim (MSN site) and is $ 2.659 in Garden Grove. (We paid $ 2.839 for 87 octane in Barstow thursday.)
    Unleaded 87 octane is now $ 2.819 in Salt Lake City suburb at Texaco and Sinclair.
  • garry12garry12 Member Posts: 1
    $2.97 in southbury Ct
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    Took a little trip just to the south of my home, and Excel 87 was $2.51. Filled up at a nearby Exxon for $2.52.

    Here's the roller coaster ride since the beginning of the year (all for 87 octane, and all close to home; no long trips in this one car):

    1/7/07 $2.14
    1/14/07 $1.98
    2/2/07 $1.98
    2/18/07 $2.05
    2/25/07 $2.17
    3/3/07 $2.29
    3/29/07 $2.43
    4/22/07 $2.67
    5/12/07 $2.85
    5/31/07 $2.99
    6/9/07 $2.85
    7/1/07 $2.74
    7/11/07 $2.75
    7/29/07 $2.69
    8/12/07 $2.52
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Member Posts: 1,060
    $2.45.9 regular WaWa, Citgo, Enright, BlackHorse Pike locations
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    My local Costco is down to $2.73. Pretty low compared to last year this date. We are 40 cents below last year this day. C'mon 2 bucks......
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    2 Bux ain't coming to Slam Diego mi amigo......LOL....if anyone sees that, it will be an area in the country where prices are lowest, relative to the rest of the USA.
  • KCRamKCRam Member Posts: 3,516
    My usual Sunoco, Palisades Park NJ

    87 - $2.599
    89 - $2.719
    91 - $2.819
    93 - $2.839
    diesel - $2.699

    kcram - Pickups Host
  • larsblarsb Member Posts: 8,204
    Short Term Energy Report

    This summer’s average retail regular motor gasoline price is projected to be $2.95 per gallon, up 11 cents per gallon from last summer (Gasoline and Crude Oil Prices). Despite the continuing low gasoline inventories, gasoline prices began to fall in the second half of July and are expected to continue to decline through the end of this year. Regular-grade gasoline prices are expected to average about $2.64 per gallon in December 2007, compared with an average monthly high of $3.15 in May 2007.

    The current price today is about $2.76 for the USA, so it apparently will only drop about 12 cents by the end of the year.

    That makes any talk of $2 gas kinda "wishful thinking" at this point.
  • jd10013jd10013 Member Posts: 779
    without a major global economic downturn, gas will never reach $2 again. But, just to put it in perspective, people still spend less money on gas (as a percentage of income) now than at most times in the past.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    The local Stinker/Sinclair has this posted tonight as I was cruising around:

    $2.85 regular
    $2.95 the midgrade stuff (why bother with a midgrade anyway?)
    $3.05 for hi-test

    The Stinker stuff is ethanol blended afaik.
  • jae5jae5 Member Posts: 1,206
    $2.879 for 87
    $2.979 for 89
    $3.079 for 91

    The Speedway close to Meijer had petrol for $2.849, BP for $2.879.

    The Warrenville Speedway was $2.999 for 87; BP by work was $3.019 for 87 octane.

    Chi-town yesterday was $3.119 ~ $3.159 for 87 octane.
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Member Posts: 2,770
    Yes but we are paying about 50% more then we were 3-4 years ago. And since the normal pay raise is somewhere between 3-5% and oil, gas and electricity prices are also way up...

    UGH, you had to remind us???? :sick:

    Anyhow, the thought did occur to me that gas prices have (relatively speaking) stabilized over the last 12-18 months, only taking their seasonal ebbs and flows. Think about it:

    10 yrs ago, for 10 gallons of gas, we were paying about $9 in the winter and $12.50 in the summer.
    Now, we'll probably pay $22-24 in the winter and $30-32 in the summer (ugh, why did I have to remind myself of that :sick: ).

    Still, only about a 30-35% increase between seasons (why couldn't I have been born an oil exec's kid???).
    Granted, the market volitility is WAY off the charts compared to 10 yrs ago, but provided their are no more BIG disasters I think people will get used to paying these prices (NOTE: that's different from ACCEPTING these prices) and adjust accordingly. While hybrid sales may be off the chart compared w/ 5 yrs ago, people aren't stapmpeding the doors for them, or the smallest most efficient cars out there. Let's face it: until you NEED a car, the one that's already paid for is going to cost you less per month to run.

    Here in RI:
    $2.74-$2.79 for regular
    SE Mass:
    $2.68-$2.75
  • dtownfbdtownfb Member Posts: 2,918
    The problem is we paid more this past winter then this summer. The reason is the oil companies reduced the refinery capacity to reduce supply. Then this spring they blamed the switchover for reduced capacity. Then in in the beginning of JUly (peak driving season) when oil prices were going up, gas prices were coming down (hmmmmmmmmm). Somehow we had increase gas inventory during peak driving season which was driving the gas prices lower while oil futures hit record levels. Sorry if I am a bit suspicious of the oil industry but I'm sick of all the excuses for all the volatility. Someone needs to tell me how they can predict the price of gas 3-4 months away?????

    I didn't realize gas was "reasonably" priced in RI and Mass. When I traveled for business from PA to MA, I would make sure I filled up in NJ (cheapest gas).

    $2.65 in South central PA is now the norm.
  • tpetpe Member Posts: 2,342
    I can assure you that the oil producers are producing more oil and refineries are refining more gasoline than they were 5 years ago. How is that manipulation on their part? The consumers are the ones manipulating prices higher by increasing consumption at a rate that exceeds increases in supply. Time for a reality check and to start laying some of the blame where it rightfully belongs.

    Gas is $2.57 for unleaded here in So. Maryland. I consider that very cheap.
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Member Posts: 1,060
    Still $2.44.9
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Member Posts: 2,770
    Absolutely!!! Whenever travelling to New England always fuel up in NJ, as this will take you through Connecticut, whose gas prices are always higher, ESPECIALLY on I-95.
  • jd10013jd10013 Member Posts: 779
    I'm not sure you know what your talking about. oil companies didn't reduce refinery capacity. They were forced to shut down (some partially, some completely) refineries all over the country. the reasons they shut down are several, but the big ones are repairs (yes, even refineries break down) maintainance, and the biggest of all, to retool in order to make the roughly 50 different blends of gasoline that various areas require in the summer thanks to the epa and tree huggers. Because this same wonderful government of ours makes it damn near impossible to build new refineries, the excess capacity that existed 10 years ago no longer exist. In fact, US refineries are no longer capable of producing enough refined product to meet demand. Those evil oil companies actually import refined products to meet demand; quite contrary to your notion that they are trying to gouge us. to make a long story short, when the US refiners can't produce enough as it is, and they're forced to take refineries off line on to of that, guess what, the price of gas goes up. Its not rocket science.

    Now for volatility, is equally as simple. most of the worlds oil is in unstable, corrupt countries that have all nationalized their oil industries. On top of that, they all lie about production, and for the most part refuse to speculate on future increases/reductions in production. That leads to uncertainty in the markets, which leads to fear, which leads to speculation.

    And finnaly, just to give you a few facts,
    1. Oil companies make about 8-10 cents per gallon. If exxon and the rest of them ran entirely as a non profit, your gas would go down about 10 cents per gallon.
    2. the various government (fed, state, local) collectively make about 80 cents per gallon, or 10x what the oil companies (who invest the money, find, produce, and bring the products to the market) make. If you want proof, just look up the WHOLESALE price of gas in the business section of your local newspaper.
    3. and lastly, people like to point out the huge (upwards of 10 billion) the oil companies make in proffit. But, A..that pales in comparison to what the government's take is (and they don't do anything but skim off the top)
    B. they pay more in taxes than almost any other company out there
    C. oil and gas companies (except durring the 90's when everyones cheap gas was causing the oil companie to LOOSE billions of dollars) have alway been amoung the largert, most profitable companies in the world.
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