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  • doughowarddoughoward Member Posts: 20
    damn, that's a good jiffy lube story, even if it didn't happen... i've had my probs with those jokers too...

    anyway, i had an important post to make:
    remember the vibration or shudder some of us have mentioned in the past?
    mine was ever so slight and only during heavy braking, but hell, for $30k i expect perfection.
    so, i took my tundra in to have the head mechanic in vancouver check it out. he said some of them have had warped brakes, and he replaced and/or resurfaced all four pads and calipers for free
    (of course)... end of story.
    the truck is flawless again.
    ps I change my own oil when i can.
  • hacksaw2hacksaw2 Member Posts: 2
    There is no threat of fire on the Tundra.


    #114 of 320: recall (barlitz) Sun 08 Aug '99 (03:38 PM)

    I heard from a toyota salesman that they have had
    a few problems with the lexus with the same engine
    as the tundra,and they may have to do a repair,a
    fuel line repair.It may be nothing you may just
    want to call your dealer.
  • atoyotatoyot Member Posts: 58
    Wow, another myth put to rest. The truth is out there!!!!
  • jyarnoldjyarnold Member Posts: 50
    Well, not any more. Yes the Jiffy Lube story is true and I'm not proud of it. It's amazing how irrational one can get when another messes your new vehicle up and refuses to admit and reimburse for mistake. I guess I should have just bent over and taken it like I learned to do now as with what I paid for new Tundra; over MSRP!!!

    Question on Brakes: My 4 runner has had major brake probs living in mountains now, warped rotors, blown cylnders, dust everywhere. I decided to go with a man trans but ended up ordering an auto as that's all that is avail with Tundra V8. What can be done to improve life of breaks, (other then messing with gear two and OD?) I was told the american metallic brake pads are source of probs on 4runner. Should i be looking for asbestos for mountain driving? Any tricks to keep break dust under control?
  • t100toddt100todd Member Posts: 16
    I went back to the dealership where I bought my Tundra and my wife's 4Runner to talk to the GM and while I was waiting, a young, married lady saw my truck and asked me how much OVER sticker that I paid for mine. She was so excited and told me how she just paid $1250 OVER sticker price! I said are you serious and she said yes! I told her that she was NUTS and that I would NEVER EVER pay sticker and I certainly would NEVER pay over sticker! I told her that I had paid $800 over envoice and she nearly cried!

    She was buying it for her husband and it was a total surprise to him! If my wife did this I'd probably divorce her!

    WHO is STUPID enough to pay that much over sticker for a truck?

    Wow,
    Todd~~~
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    I'm getting ready to order a Tundra and was wondering if anyone knows what the differences are between the Deluxe 3-1 and Premium 3-1 stereos? Is there an actual speaker wattage difference?? I would just punt on the factory stereo, but I've had a couple of bad experiences with the after market installers scratching my dash and trim, breaking the snap-on clips for various door and dash pieces and the dash developing squeaks and rattles after the installation. I hate to think about them diving in to do their first Tundra installation on my truck!

    Also if you go by the Toyota Tundra web site it shows that you can only get 2-tone paint on the Limited, and that has to be Jade Mica and Thunder Gray. Yet, on my local dealers' lot, I saw an SR5 with a Blue Pearl and Thunder Gray paint job. Does anyone know what the deal is? Is the 2- tone paint job an extra option you can get on any sub-model? Can you get any combination of paints? I would ask the dealer, but they are so busy I can't get a salesman most of the time. I figured I would get a faster answer from you guys.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    On the lots in my area, I have seen several 2-tone SR5s(white, blue, green, and thunder gray). Seems like the paint jobs were added at the distributor(I think it costs between $300 and $400). Don't quote me on the price however. The best looking 2-tone Tundra I've seen was the white with a tan/beige tone at the bottom(just my opinion).
  • mhill5mhill5 Member Posts: 37
    I listened to the stereo in a SR5 4x4 which had the upgrade with CD player and was not impressed. However, my friend the Sales Manager, told me that the highest upgrade (6 disc in-dash changer with amplifier) would sound much better than the one in the SR5. I took his advise and have been very happy. This system sounds great and especially when playing CD's, it has an exceptional sound quality. I love mine.
  • capt2capt2 Member Posts: 57
    Just returned from my first long trip in my 4x4 V8(little over 500 miles) The ride was outstanding, handles as well as my 93 LS400. Still can't get it over the 17 mpg mark though. 16.993 for the whole trip on 87 octane. 2500 total miles and all is well...
  • atoyotatoyot Member Posts: 58
    Alright!!! I found the guy in my subdivision with the Tundra. Now I have to go bug him to death. Maybe he will let me wash it for him.
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    Thanks for the info on the 2-tone paint jobs. I was hoping it was not dependent on the factory. I haven't seen any Tundra's with a White and Tan/Beige 2-Tone, but it's my favorite on the Tacoma. It looks sharp.
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    Thanks for the stereo info. Maybe I can find a "Premium" grade stereo on the lot and try it out too. Do you happen to know the power of your amp?
  • kuz1kuz1 Member Posts: 10
    I have a Limited with the 6 in dash changer in it. The stereo sounds ok but I think by changing out the speakers would help it out more! The speakers in it sound a little tight and an upgraded speaker might pull out the sound and give it a little more punch! My opinion. Did any body pull the speakers out yet? Could any body tell me the wattage and ohms? I'll tell you this much I don't know where the six CD's go when you put them in but it sure is a nice looking stereo except for the reception!
  • samirpowarsamirpowar Member Posts: 28
    I have the SR5 with the Deluxe 3in1 system w/6 speakers. I just finished swapping out the the four main speakers (front and back) w/Infinity Kappa 62f speakers. Both the front and back stock speakers are of the cheap paper construction type with the front speakers having a larger magnet. Both are rated at 20W, but I can't remember the ohms. I was warned by Crutchfield (who I bought the speakers through) that for optimum performance I would need an amplifier. I guess they were right, as I'm kinda dissapointed with the sound. I was expecting a dramatic improvement in sound not just the marginal improvement I got. Oh well, I have a good base on which to build on if I decide to upgrade the stereo.
  • berglund1berglund1 Member Posts: 9
    I upgraded just my back speakers also to Infinity Kappa 62 series speakers.(I think the 62i's) I have the limited with the 6 disk changer w/amp. Although a good improvment (the backs now sound better than the fronts) I think they need an amp as well. Nice thing about these speakers is that the tweeters are aimable. The back speakers actually point down which is pretty dumb but my tweets point up and slightly toward the front.

    Going to add a Rockford Fosgate punch 5 channel amp (50 watts x4 and 100x1 for sub) and keep the head unit. I think I'll probably remove the back armrest and in it's spot put a similar size box with an 8 or if the space can handle it find a 10" sub and cover it with similar color speaker grill material to match the tan leather. This should rock pretty good. The head unit is actually pretty nice with the 6 disk changer but the reception is mediocre. Oh well, I listen more to CD's anyway.

    Anybody hear about any performance add-ons yet. Borla has a cat back exhaust but I don't want more noise. A K&N sure would be nice, as would a supercharger. Not that it needs it but man, being able to bring the 0-60 times into the 6-7 sec mark sure would be fun!

    Carl
  • atoyotatoyot Member Posts: 58
    So, how long until there is a Tundra PreRunner. We know that TRD has one as that is what Ivan Stewart now use on the Baja. That would be the perfect Tundra.
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    I read in the Feb. 99 issue of Motor Trend that Toyota Racing Development (TRD) had developed a prototype supercharger for the Lexus based V8 in the Lexus LX470 and Toyota Landcruiser (same basic 4.7L V8 as Tundra). The supercharged V8 was reported to have 350 HP. This modification should easily get the Tundra in the 0-60 MPH 6-7 sec range (similar to the Ford Lightening, which has 360 HP and 0-60 time of 6.2 sec per Edmunds)
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    I lucked up today. I noticed on my dealers' web page (http://www.jbarkleytoyota.com) this morning that they had gotten in an Sunfire Red SR5 with the TRD package and captains chairs (it's still on their website tonight) and another had the "Premium" 6 disc cd changer. All the things I wanted to check out. Wouldn't you know it though, before I got there, they had sold them both this morning!!! But… the sales reps (they are all pretty cool at Jim Barkley since they're not on commission) told me he thought he saw a TRD come in on the truck this morning. Sure enough a Sunfire Red, 4x4 Access Cab Limited with the TRD package, POWER Captains chairs, and the 6 disc CD player all in one truck! I had to wait on them to finish the state inspection on it to test drive it! It had 7 miles on the odo when I got in, and 49 miles when I brought it back!
    I found the TRD package to give a very comfortable ride. I drove on the Interstate, back roads, and up the mountains on the Blue Ridge Parkway. I did a little 4 wheelin' on a side gravel road. The ride was smooth and very comfortable, but stiff enough to handle well on some hard, hard cornering. It handled the gravel road great! It was wash-boarded (what we call the rough little ridges that build up on gravel roads in this neck of the woods) and looked rough, but I couldn't feel the roughness. The Tundra ate the road up! Those Bilstein's (they were labeled "Toyota Bilstein") are great. I noticed with the TRD package that the whole rear end was raised a little bit higher that those without it (tail gate was about 2" higher)
    Now that I've tried the power captains chairs, they are must haves in my book. I have driven a bench model and found the seat to be OK (a lot better than my 92 Toy pickup, but not as good as the leather seats in my 4Runner). The thing that made them so great was that there are two adjustments to the seat part not just one like on the unpowered captains chair, and I don't think the bench had any. The powered chairs have the adjustment to raise and lower your butt, (like on the unpowered), but also have a separate adjustment to raise and lower the edge of the chair under you knees. I'm not tall (5'10") but have always found Toyotas to be designed for people with shorter legs than mine. With both my current Toyotas, if I pull the seat up enough to comfortably reach the wheel and rest my elbows on the arm rest, my knees are always sticking up in the air raising my whole leg off the seat. I end up driving with my legs twisted sideways (alright, spread) so that my foot is on the gas and my thigh is on the seat. This hurts my knee and ankle on long trips. All the Tundra's seats seem to be higher off the floor, but with the power seat I was able to lift the seat all the way up to support my whole leg. It was great!
    I found the 6 CD changer to be cool. I took 4 CD's with me and fed them all into it (the CD holder in the arm rest is cool too). The sound was better than the "Deluxe" versions. I was impressed with the controls and adjustments on the stereo. Of course I cranked up the bass all the way. The high and midrange sounds all right, and the bass would do, but I think I will take the powered sub-woofer from the back of my 4Runner and sit it behind the passenger's seat (with clips for the wires for quick removal). I think this will add the extra umph I'm used to. I especially liked the fact that you can scan through a song. This is a feature my after market CD player doesn't have.
    I was going to order my Tundra from the factory, but the one I drove today was great. The only thing it doesn't have that I was going to order was 4-wheel anti-lock brakes. This one only has rear wheel anti-lock. If you can't tell, I'm so excited I may go back tomorrow and get it. It didn't have a price on it yet, but Jim Barkley has been selling them for around $800 to $900 over invoice, which I find acceptable. Sorry for the long post, but like I said I'm excited!
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    Sounds like you may have found YOUR truck. Hope it works out for you if you decide to buy. I'll be looking for you on the Parkway this weekend. Supposedly heading that way tomorrow...at least that's what the wife tells me!
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    I've been looking on the Toyota web site and can't find any reference to powered captains chairs except under the Leather Trim option on the Limited. The Limited I tested had cloth power captains chairs!? Does anyone know what the deal is? Does anyone know if cloth powered captains chairs are available on an SR5?
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    When you get yours, we'll have to have a Tundra convoy on the Parkway. It is too early in the life of these trucks to start having Tundra Tours (like the Jeep Jam get togethers that have gone on for decades)? Good luck, hope you find YOU one soon.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    Sorry for the confusion. I've already got mine(had it about 1 month). Thunder Gray SR5 Access Cab 4x4. I have a little over 1500 miles on it so far. Absolutely love it! You'll love yours, too. Enjoy.
  • rlmillerrlmiller Member Posts: 19
    I have the cloth power seat on my limited and, like you, once I drove one with the power seat, I had to have it. I don't think the power seat is an option for the SR5. I also thimk the fabric for the limited is nicer than the SR5.
    Good luck with the new truck!
  • kuz1kuz1 Member Posts: 10
    I've got a Limited with the no ABS on it and I think it stops will. I think ABS is for people under a panic situation that tend to lay on the brakes hard to stop without having any control. In most of my hard brakes I've used my brakes well and didn't even consider ABS. For ABS look closer into your driving skills and ask yourself how you stopped in a panic situation? (my opion)
  • pchengpcheng Member Posts: 162
    Under panic situations or no panic situations, a person cannot modulate the brakes faster than a computer.
  • lchase1lchase1 Member Posts: 13
    Two weeks ag o I traded my 1997 Ford Lariat 4x4 Supercab for a 2000 Tundra SR5 4x4 Access cab. I owned for Ford for 42 months and had two problems during my ownership. One problem involved the autolock 4x4 which resulted in no wheel drive and the other was a broken shock. Dealer service was great and local. When the Tundra was introduced I tried one out and soon decided to trade. The Tundra now has 1200 miles on it. I can't believe how smooth the engine runs and how quiet the cab is. The Tundra is faster from the get go and is very nimble. It is less cumbersome to drive and easier to park. So far my gas mileage has been between 18-19 miles per gallon with a mixture of city and highway driving. I do miss the Ford's auto lamps and bed rails but I would highly recommend a Tundra purchase for those of you out there looking.
  • kuz1kuz1 Member Posts: 10
    This is true! But in all my past vehicles I've owned I never had ABS and never had an accident that I could blame on the brakes, so I opt for no ABS. (Fact in my eyes:) ABS on my truck doesn't make other people or a##holes drive any better!
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    Like you, I've never owned a vehicle with ABS and I've never had an accident (where my vehicle got damaged). But, I've had a really, really close call. It was shear luck that my pickup never impacted. If ABS does what it is supposed to do I should not have had a problem. I drive a lot. I've put 207,000 miles on my Toyota pickup in 7 years and 90,000 miles on my 4Runner in 4 years. During all those miles I've driven alertly and have watched many accidents happen all around me (I lived in Atlanta for 8 years). I know the "I'm a good driver, it will never happen to me" feeling. I though so too. The close call was not my fault and it was my driving behavior that gave me a chance (I didn't drive too close to the cars in frount of me). The near accident happened on a wet Interstate 75 and all traffic involved was going about 60 mph ( which in Atlanta amounts to a very reduced speed on account of the wet pavement, 80-90 is the norm) A trucker two lanes to my left and 3 cars ahead of me hit the center median and partially jack knifed his empty trailer across the road (later found out he fell asleep) blocking the two leftmost lanes ahead of me in about 2 seconds. The car directly behind it couldn't stop an dove into/under the trailer ( two people where kill in it). Two of the cars to my left swerved into my lane. Luckily I wasn't following too close to them or I would have been hit by the one closed to me. But they where still pretty much out of control and in front of me I swerved to the right to miss the cars, and of course hit the brakes. Luckily, there wasn't anything there (I never had time to check anyway!) The next thing I know, the back end of my pickup is sliding around and I'm going down the road sideways! I had absolutely no control. Luckily, I went in a straight line and didn't hit anybody. By the time I stopped I had almost done a 180. Another lucky part was that the cars behind me where far enough back to stop or get out of the lane with out hitting me. I swore that day that I would never by another truck without ABS! Sure, I was probably driving too fast for the conditions. Do you go 30 in the slow lane and cause someone to rear end you? Sure I shouldn't have hit my brakes, but what choice did I have? I know I should have steered into the slide, yeh right! This accident taught me, that no matter how good a driver you are, no matter how many miles you've not had an accident, it can happen to you. One minute you're driving along, the next, BAM, your life could be ending. And it can happen so fast that you can't think your way out of it. I'm going to put my brains to work before the next accident, and pay the extra for the ABS! It may not save me next time, but I want that extra bit of technology working for me.
  • pchengpcheng Member Posts: 162
    Point well taken about other drivers. But just like you I didn't believe in ABS until I drove my Mom's Lexus many years ago in a freak ice storm in Seattle. I had was in an incident similar to M. Miller's. I used to road race motorcycles for many years, and I guess through that training, everything seemed to go in slow motion at just the right time. I remember thinking that the car had ABS and to just jam on the brakes as hard as I could. I did this, and the thing was AMAZING. It stopped straight without spinning, even when I hand to curve slightly to miss an overturned car. The Lexus just went where I wanted it to go while I had my foot jammed on the brakes.

    I had my Toy PU for 8 years without ABS, now I don't think I'll buy another car without it.
    (Just my opinion.)
  • lchase1lchase1 Member Posts: 13
    A couple of small points I left out of my post # 345. The Tundra`s bed is not as deep as the F-150.The F-150`s sound system is better. So far this has been my most satisfying ever.
  • breganbregan Member Posts: 8
    been stopped by 3 people since owning my v8access4x4 the last 6 weeks---after they get done gloating i urge each of them to not buy the bench seat and when they test drive with a sales rep have them or the rep sit in the back as the center console only vibrates when no one is in the front passenger seat...additionally I have contacted toy 800 number reporting this anamoly---folks, if you';re buying a tundra get the captains chairs---or resort to only fix I've heard or seen about---shove a piece of wood under the passenger seat...just a warning...love this truck but that vibrating is a real nuisance on the bench seat...heck the more folks learn about this and start mentioning it to dealers and others maybe toy will finally admit there is an issue and come out with a tsb...
  • atoyotatoyot Member Posts: 58
    According to Mike at Don McGill Toyota in Houston Toyota is aware of the bench seat vibration and is working on a fix. But, don't forget to let them know that a fix is a must. We can't have a obvious problem like this slide. I am really amazed that Toyota didn't fix it before they released it.
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    Well Hurricane Floyd is impacting my search for that perfect Tundra. My local dealer was searching the Southeast Toyota Distributor's computer inventory in Jacksonville, FL today, when the distribution center got the order to pack up and evacuate. The sales rep said they backed up their computers and sent a guy with the tapes inland. He said they might not be up and operational again until Wednesday. He said as busy as they usually are this may cause them to get behind a little. This may impact the delivery of trucks through out the southeast. Just thought all the Tundra hunters in the southeast would want to know. I hope they have all those Tundras at the distribution center covered up!
  • rlmillerrlmiller Member Posts: 19
    I was really torn with this decision. I had ABS on my old Ford Ranger and really liked the way it would stop on ice and snow. I tested the system out many times, braking hard while going downhill or in a turn and was always impressed in it performance. The only problem I found with it was, sometimes, during slow speeds stops(<25mph) and wet conditions the truck would not stop! A slight step on the brakes and the ABS would start modulating the brakes but wouldn't stop the truck!
    I've talked to other folks who have had the same problem with other types of vehicles. One guy got rid of his Chevy truck just after sliding into a stopped vehicle at a red light. He said his vehicle never got above 20 mph.
    I have not experienced this problem with the Toyota ABS but I didn't notice it on my Ford Ranger till it was a couple of years old.
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    Yikes, thats scary. Did you every take your Ranger to the dealer to get it looked at?
  • cwirthcwirth Member Posts: 169
    I just finish installing aftermarket fender flare on my SR5 4X4. They went on easy and look great. I purchased them from Sportwing (www.sportwing.com). I believe they are made by EGR but am not sure. They fit the Tundra exactly, no drilling. The other day I removed the black and chrome wheel lip mouldings (actually I liked the way the truck looked without them!). I had the new fender flares painted to match my truck (sunfire red). They come in black. The cost unpainted is $291.50, painted the cost is $390.50. I e-mailed a Toyota dealer that has a web site and sells Toyota parts. They wanted $499 for the Toyota fender flares. Just thought I would pass this along for those interested.
  • thessickthessick Member Posts: 23
    I have been shopping for about a month. It looks like the best deal on a Tundra is going to be $800 to $1000 over invoice with nearly everyone willing to do $1000 under msrp. JBarkleytoyota.com has some good prices if you are in the southeast.
    If my Autobytel qoute ever arrives and is not competitive I plan to give Priceline.com a try.

    Tom
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    Cwirth, thanks for the fender flare info! This is the first Tundra aftermarket stuff I've seen. I've been hoping an aftermarket flare would come out. I plan on getting a Limited with the TRD package, but I hate the color-keyed flares. Has any one had any luck with aftermarket wheel rims yet?

    Thessick, I agree with your pricing estimates. Jim Barkley rules. I'm glad it's my local dealer! The bad thing is that a truck doesn't stay on the lot more than a couple of days. The Sunfire Red Access Cab Limited I was the first to test drive Friday was gone by Saturday afternoon. I'm going to start calling to find out what's on the lot before I go over there.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    I was in High Point, NC over the weekend and counted at least 8 Tundras on the lot at Vann York Toyota. I didn't check out the equipment(I didn't even stop). Maybe a call to Vann York may locate something you like and they may trade with Barkley. Just a thought.
  • mbs17mbs17 Member Posts: 10
    go to the jaos website www.JAOS.com, they have the wheels that are on the promo bfg ivan stewart tundra.
  • david6david6 Member Posts: 75
    I feel that my ABS saved me from rear-ending someone on a wet and oily road . . . unfortunately the person behind me skidded into me and almost totalled my car.
    However, in slow stops in a couple of inches of snow down a hill, the ABS did not prevent me from sliding into a couple of intersections. I found that I had to pump the brakes in these situations a little to prevent the snow from building up under the tire, and then was able to stop. ABS pumps the brakes so quickly the snow doesn't get cleared.
    My choice is to go with ABS, understanding that it has it's problems in inches of snow. Like I said, I'm convinced that it prevented an accident where I would have been at fault, and it has helped me stay in control in wet weather many times.
  • mlundeinmlundein Member Posts: 7
    truck Trend (Oct. ) mentioned an optional moon roof $885.00 large American dollars any info?
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    I wish. Would live to have a moon roof.
    But, didn't someone say that article mixed up the Tundra with a RAV4 on the options and price?
  • hacksaw2hacksaw2 Member Posts: 2
    There is no factory option moonroof available for Tundra
  • pchengpcheng Member Posts: 162
    I took that issue of Truck Trend to my local dealer and said taht I wanted that truck with the sunroof at that price. After he picked himself off the floor from laughing so hard, he blearded out (between giggles) that he he thought it must have been a mistake.

    I e-mailed Truck Trend, but they haven't gotten back to me yet.
  • atoyotatoyot Member Posts: 58
    Good looking truck!!!! Any body else got any good pictures???
  • dacotahdacotah Member Posts: 6
    The Topper is $845.00
    The Steps are $329 plus $90 paint to match
  • sandrews1sandrews1 Member Posts: 9
    Just returned from a trip to Tahoe in my SR5 TRD access package Tundra. Nice trip. The Truck hugged the turns well and rode so smoothly-- this is a guy with a history of back trouble. I arrived after my 4 hour drive free of pain and with minimal stiffness! I'm 6'3 and found the ride and seat very acceptable. Thanks for the tip on the bench seat vibration!

    Also, how did the guy who got 18-19 mpg do that? I'm getting 15-16.5. On freeway and hills. I'd love 18-19 -- that was with 4x4, correct?

    Love this truck. Yes, upgrade the speakers. And the head unit. My head unit crashed on a bump last week and destroyed my new Santana CD. Now I'm upgrading that too.
  • cwirthcwirth Member Posts: 169
    sandrews1:

    Just wanted to let you know that it is possible to get over 20 mph highway. I own a beach house near the Atlantic coast in Maryland which is 157 miles from my primary home. I drive to this house every weekend during the summer. I went down there this past weekend. I filled up before I left and did not stop for my usual fill up before I started back home. I put on 389.1 miles on my Tundra and used 18.696 gallons. This calculates to 20.81 mpg. This included about 40 miles of under 40 mph driving.

    I have over 7600 miles on my Tundra and love it. So it is possible to get great mileage but I am sure personal driving habits make a difference.
  • lchase1lchase1 Member Posts: 13
    I have a sr5 Access Cab 4x4 with 2000 miles.My previous average mpg was 17.5. Last mpg 19.89 with a lot of climbing. So far this has been the best vehicle I have ever owned. When asked what I would change I am reduced to saying the mirror on the visor should have a cover or there are too many controls on the steering column. Toyota has really hit a home run with the TUNDRA.
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