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I'd like to add:
T: Chevy Chevette, Pontiac T1000/1000.
~alpha
Hopefully it has a good powertrain and interior though. That would make up for the so so looks.
Doesn't look bad, but definitely not cutting edge. I wouldn't expect much cutting edge out of the Buick Division anyways, given the demographic of their customers, and I don't think GM wants to change the Buick customer base that much anyways, except to give them SUV options.
Car is nothing exciting but a good power train and interior will attract attention. Definitely nothing cutting edge here but better than the spy shots I saw 2 years ago of the 04 Regal.
Looks like the Taurus and LeSabre mated and had a child with a Riviera rear end.
Check, just scratched that one off the list. I can buy a new Taurus with multivalve for like 15-16k. GM will be charging 25+ for the same thing. Not worth the ten grand diff. If it had some style, sure, but this thing's a yawner.
If people want to buy something that looks like a Taurus, why not just buy a Taurus?
The car looks better blown up. I saw a bigger picture on Cheersandgears.com. Car could appeal to anyone in the boomer age and up so long as it's well made, refined, has a solid power train and a good interior. We shall see,
~alpha
Even so, why are people writing this model off already? We dont have many concrete details, we dont have any press reviews, nor consumer test drives. This car is not a repeat case of the seemingly uncompetitive GM "crossover" vans (think: Saturn Rebate), so I'm not really sure why this design is not being give a chance. Personally, I'd prefer the name of the car to be Allure in the USA as well, LaCrosse is just stupid, makes me think of the sport, and I see no correlation.
~alpha
Allure seems a bit better. I don't mind LaCrosse though. I really hope they are dropping the 3.6L in there as an option at least. Car doesn't appeal to me really, but I think it will to the 40+ crowd.
http://www.autonews.com/images/random/12604/lacrosse410.jpg
http://gm.wieck.com/forms/gm/X05BU_LC022.jpg?download=016198
I see Lexus GS300/400 headlight treatment and GP greenhouse(roof stamping).
This vehicle will be available with 2 engines.
Will the 3.6L from the CTS/SRX be one of them?
Looks like the 3.6L VVT motor from Cadillac will be optional.
Plus more legroom due to longer wheelbase than regal.
Seems like a nice replacement for an Impala or instead of a CTS.
The interior spy shot at the beginning of this forum looks good if it's real. Car should be a winner. I believe it will be sourced down the highway in Oshawa also.
By the way, Automotive News is reporting that this thing replaces both Regal AND Century. Considering that the actual sale prices of Centurys are quite low (under $20K, if I am correctly informed), I'm not sure that this vehicle will actually be able to fill that slot. I looked at the GM Fleet Tools web site and found that there is an ordering guide for the 2005 Century, so evidently the two will be side-by-side for at least a year. Personally, I think the Century needs to go, but it needs a real replacement so the LaCrosse is not pulled down into the lower end of the sedan market. I can think of two possibilities: an Epsilon-based replacement, or a rebadged Daewoo Leganza (like the Suzuki Verona). I think either of those would fill the Century spot nicely, and keep the LaCrosse away from the dreaded cost cutters.
-Andrew L
the greenhouse is way too much taurus. if you can't see it its time for lasik.
its a shame the car doesn't connect on any level because the interior spy shots looked promising and GM finally is putting a real v6 in something again.
but the exterior styling seems to drop the ball. this thing will be priced the same as the Ford 500 and Dodge Magnum. The Dodge, I have my days when I like it, and too many when I think its over the top. The AWD is a nice thing but will be pricey, can't have RWD around here (especially after being stuck behind a crown vic upping a one mile incline with bad tires). Ford 500 is bland but certainly makes a better connection with me than this thing. But in no way does it ring my bell.
Its nice to see some new domestic sedans, but maybe I am getting really bored with the domestic sedans these days. They are all so........what's the word.......ordinary?....not there?......unappealing....?
As for the LaCrosse, over on the Impala board there is this carguy guy who has been chastizing me for even considering the Five Hundred before I saw a LaCrosse.
Well, all I can say about that is I have seen pictures of the LaCrosse. I have learned never to say never, but I can't imagine me driving THAT thing. I just keep seeing 1996 Taurus and laughing myself silly. I was supposed to wait FOR THAT?
I had an 89 Taurus back when I was 35. Once was enough! And the 89 was, to my eyes, a lot more attractive than the 96 or than this Buick looks to be.
When I took early lease termination on the Intrigue the Impala was the only car that did everything I wanted it to do for the price i was willing to pay.
Been driving it for 2.5 years.
Don't hink I would buy a Ford 500 though.
Will probably stay GM.
Looks too much like the Grand Prix, hopefully the interior is really good.
Looking at the car some more I think it looks better than my first impression. I'd like to see the other angles and the inside before I decide but I know the car looks too "old" for me to ever consider. The Buick trucks are the only Buicks I (or anyone else under 45) would likely ever consider. It's too bad because the current Regal GS is a pretty sporty looking car.
LaCrosse certainly has similar greenhouse styling to Taurus. Not that this is necessarily bad, I just would think GM could be a little more innovative. Hopefully the interior and controls will be a big upgrade from the dated Century/Regal, and GM will get rid of the floaty suspensions. Note to GM: It is possible to get a good ride these days in a non luxury sedan without completely sacrificing handling. Drive just about any of your competitors.
My main concern with Ford 500 and GM's offerings is that pricing not get out of hand. It seems the market for new vehicles keeps going upscale. I just read that the average MSRP (not as sold) has now passed $30K. Of course this is probably swayed a lot by loaded up SUV's, but still seems a lot to pay for any vehicle.
Impala LS was $25.5K MSRP. paid $21.087K plus $300 sales tax.
Leather, driver info center, power passenger, heated seats, steering wheel controls,etc.
Could have gotten base Impala for less than $18K
Impala has more room than Taurus and bigger trunk.
Considered a full size car while regal and Taurus are mid size.
I miss the OHC motor that was in the Intrigue.
~alpha
2005 Buick LaCrosse CX CXL CXS
C67 Air conditioning S - -
CJ2 dual-zone ACC - S S
AP9 Cargo convenience net, trunk - S S
U68 Driver Information Center - S S
Personalization features - S S
Steering, tilt adjustment S - -
N37 Steering power tilt and telescopic adjustment - S S
NK5 Steering wheel, 4-spoke, cruise control S - -
NP5 Steering wheel, leather, cruise control - S S
UA6 theft alarm - S S
Visors, extendable, vanity mirrors S - -
DH6 Visors, illuminated, extendable, vanity mirrors - S S
PEB Silver Convenience Package A - -
(includes CJ2, AP9, U68, N37, NP5, UA6, DH6 and
personalisation features)
AV8 Seating, 6-passenger A A -
Seating, cloth S - -
Seating, leather - S S
AM9 rear split-folding seat, armrest and cupholders A S S
Chrome door handles - - S
R13 Chrome Appearance package - A A
QPX P225/60R16 S S -
QVS P225/55R17 touring - - S
QB5 16" steel wheels S - -
QD1 16" painted aluminum, 8-spoke A S -
N85 17" painted aluminum, 8-spoke - - S
J65 Brakes, 4-wheel disc S S -
JL9 Brakes, 4-wheel disc, ABS, and traction control A A S
FE1 4-wheel independent suspension, Premium Ride S S -
FE2 4-wheel independent suspension, Gran Touring - - S
NW9 Traction control - - S
L26 3800 S S -
LY7 3.6- VVT, dual exhaust - - S
Otherwise it all looks pretty usual.
specifics please?....?
What is Greek for 'W'? GM could have renamed it in Greek and called it "new", then the media would do back flips.
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Someone missed C body when listing the GM codes, it was the Caddy DeVille/Park Ave/98.
Once, in 1959, GM used one body shell for all of their cars. Why? They moved up the restyle for the B body from 1960 a year, to battle Chrysler's "forward look". So, Chevy had the 1958 B body for a year only, instead of the planned 58-59.
Letters have been recycled. The mid size cars of 1964-72, which includes classic Muscle Cars, were A bodies, and the RWD 1962-79 Nova was also an X car.
I pulled 29 mpg on several long trips.
And I had the 3.29 gear not the 3.05 gear.
My city mileage was consistently 21-22.
My suburban mileage was 24-25mpg.
So, i was pretty happy with that especially in light of the car's acceleration.
In terms of features content, three strikes and youre out. This car had better have one top notch interior, excellent driving dynamics, and very competitive pricing.
I guess the gates are wide open for the '05 Avalon to kill this segment. (Well.. at least the $26K-$34K range of it.. which is a good chunk of the 500/Montego/300/LaCrosse anyway).
~alpha
ABS should be standard on ALL models here. This equipment list doesn't seem accurate or complete.
no, he just wants to extort even more money from you for them. Probably have to get two option packages and a crappy delco factory upgrade stereo (which is still worse than a 20 dollar kraco from walmart) to get the ABS WHICH SHOULD BE STANDARD ON ANY CAR OVER 15g.
when I asked the poster to expand on the specifics it was prompting the question as to why he missed his OHC engine and that he share those reasons with everyone here since so many of you don't seem to think it matters. But it does.
My guess would have been the answer might be
smoothness
more elastic powerband and better engine breathing
a feeling you got more than what you paid for
etc.
yada yada.....
For once, GM ought to come out at launch with a LOW STICKER and loaded to make a market impact instead of bleeding the GM faithful for 3 months until the inevitable incentives kick in and everyone talks bout the insanely high MSRP for a car that's usually not worth the MSRP (or even close).
Yes, they say the new cars are "gotta have" cars that won't have to be incentivized. But what would YOU say if you were them?
Time will tell. As for me, I thought I would see a car here very competitive with the Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Montego.
We know little so far, but what I have seen so far certainly doesn't WOW me, and my last three cars have been GM mid-sizes (an Olds LSS, a Pontiac GP GTP, and a Chevy Impala LS).
The OHC motor is key here.
At lest to me.
Don't want to know that they are downrating it to 240 hp though.
GM just doesn't get it.
They are so concerned about the interdivisional pecking order that they are scared to hit a home run.
I guess they don't want to step on the CTS's toes by giving the Lacrosse the same hp.
GM needs to realize that they are competing against Toyota and Honda for their survival.
Not Ford.
If its hilariously high like a Comp-G is with leather etc (and leather is standard on the top trim level on this car apparently), I'd rather just get a TL.
Headlights are kind of Sonata'ish?
Certainly this car is more interesting than a Camry and the top line engine on paper better (and in the CTS) is better than anything in the Camcorder. The top trim level should outhandle those cars (well the older Intrigues do, the later ones probably not).