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A couple of the dealers near me have 1 each of the 2010 caramel colors 2.5i Premium left. I guess that is not a surprise. When I view the dealer inventories on line they show a dozen of outbacks and Foresters in stock and only 1 or 2 Legacys. And the 2011 seem slow in arriving. I'm almost thing about switching to a Forester if the Forester's road noises are too bad on the highway. I just bought pricing report for a consumer magazine. It was not really very helpful. Fitz Automall doesn't have a Subaru deal instate I'd have to drive Maryland to buy from them which seems a bit far.
I was a little disappointed with the quality of the materials inside the car coming from a BMW 330, but a new 2010 328xi with moonroof, power seat, etc... is about $34k-$35k. Hopefully the reliability is good.
The best thing is I am averaging over 30 mpg and I do about 90% highway driving so I am really pleased with that. Too bad the other stuff is not up to par as I hope to keep this 15 years.
I am going to be looking at an 07 Legacy 2.5i which is black, has spoiler, and moon roof. Dealership listed this at first 17,500 and is now at 15,666. Going to be looking at this soon and just wondering thought on this price. Will I have any bargaining room I am surely going to offer less if I am interested but from what I have seen from pics looks to be in excellent shape. Also thinking about leasing and wondering if I am really coming out a head buying a used vs leasing with the interest rates. Seems like the prices are comparable. Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much!
Chad
Chad
MSRP 23739
Invoice 22514
Quote 21,000+TTL
Is this price good?
I know someone who got a great deal on a "leftover" 2010 Outback here in CO because the dealer wanted to clean out the last of them, but they wouldn't budge much on the 2011s.
Good luck
easypar
i personally am willing to not get the exact color or feature in order to get a better price but I realize some people are willing to pay that premium.
Enjoy the ride!
I had a slightly better deal on a red Miata, but a red sports car is ticket bait.
I paid a little more for blue, though it did have more equipment anyway.
This doesn't seem like that bad a deal, but I've been taught the rule of thumb is not to buy these. This is from the original manufacturer, so is no fly by night company that will disappear. It will also probably add at least $500-$800 of value if I decide to sell the car at some point in the next couple years- I can't lose that bad, can I?
Also, shouldn't the car have to pass some sort of certification process for it to be Subaru certified?
only other issue is that any factory incentives etc are whatever they have when you get delivery, not at the time of the order. probably not a big deal as they haven't changed much all year and usually only get better nearer to the new year anyway.
pricing should be the same regardless of whether its on their lot, traded with another dealer or custom ordered, unless its been sitting on their lot for months and they want to move it and give you a big discount like the one painted fluorescent pink:-). the sales manager I dealt with told me they like factory orders as they know it will be sold, they will have little/no finance costs holding it on their lot till it is sold, it increases the number of cars they may be ordering that month which in turn has all sorts of upsides for them from SOA down the line in terms of future allocations/bonuses etc.
In addition, my dealer is telling me adding the accessories at the dealership costs more than if they are already installed, due to dealer labor costs. For example, I want a remote starter. If installed at the factory, it costs $318 invoice and $424 MSRP. The dealer wants $506 to install it, at least $100 to $150 more than if it were already installed. The same applies to the splash guards. Yes, the sales department should eat some of that extra, and I would be willing to pay a bit more, but there are no azurite blue limited legacies without sunroofs anywhere near me to trade for.
I think I'll order what I want and wait the 4 to 8 weeks. My salesperson said I can do that. I now need to nail down the price of the new car and my trade-in.
I ended up paying invoice, which was $1,819 under MSRP, which I thought was a fair and reasonable price. For the car you mention, which is one year old and has 5000 miles, I would expect to pay $3,000 to $4,000 under invoice to compensate for it being a 2010 model with that many miles. As you said, their asking price is just that, the asking price, but I find that dealers never want to discount previous-year models as much as they should. When you go to trade or sell that car in several years, it will be a year older and worth $3,000 less (give or take) than a 2011 model.
You must be new here at Edmunds, because you can figure out the exact invoice and MSPR right here on Edmunds. Go to the top of the page and click on 'New Cars' and work your way through the pricing. For my car, the Edmunds invoice and MSRP figures were correct, with one exception: cars coming into Pennsylvania are California-spec PZEV, and Subaru charges $300 more for PZEV cars. So the Edmunds invoice price is $300 less than actual for a PZEV Legacy. Another good source for pricing info is www.carprices.com. You can click through and pick your exact trim level and options, including PZEV, and come up with the exact invoice and MSRP.
I got a 2011 2.5 Legacy Premium, with:
All-Weather package (Heated Front Seats,Windshield Wiper De-Icer, Heated Side Mirrors)
Power Moonroof
Subwoofer Kit, Tweeter Kit, Media Hub, BlueTooth Connect Kit
All weather Floor Mats
Trunk Lip Spoiler
XM Satellite Radio
I paid $23,422 + TTL. This was a model on the showroom floor so they drove it out fo us. No wear, very clean, 34 miles on odo (so not a demo). I think I did good.
I used Edmunds many times to get great info I figure I'd give something back!
Kinda funny.
I knew my new Legacy was quiet... I never realized it was that quiet
LOL
$500 below invoice + TTL
1.5 % finance @ 36 months
I was surprised to see these numbers. But I had 3 other offers at $1000 below, $500 below and $200 below invoice, so there must be some dealer incentive going on even though I did not see this advertised.
The $1K below wanted $500 locate fee and $400 doc fees. The other dealers had no locate fee up to 200 miles and $200 doc fees.
We bought it at the dealer we will be servicing it as well.
I found the car through autotrader at a dealership in Chicago Wilkins Hyundai and Mazda. Originally the dealer wanted 19,991$ (not including tax which would be 6% in MI since I am from Michigan), my friend and I were able to get him down to 18,775$.
The specs on the car I bought are the following:
- Popular group 2 config, which I think included the auto-dimming rearview mirror with compass, heated driver and passenger seats.
- Windshield wiper de-icer and heated side view mirrors
- Extra speakers and subwoofer under the driver seat
- Power moonroof
- All weather floormats
- XM satellite radio
- Trunk spoiler
- 5 speed manual transmission with momo sport shift knob
I wasn't sure what else was an extra on this car, essentially I just got lost in all of the buttons and features this car has.
An interesting circumstance though was that I bought it last weekend and was pretty much in the perfect position to test it during the "snowpocalypse" which was a huge snowstorm covering 3/4 of the US Feb 3-Feb 4th 2011. Coming from a rear-wheel drive car, the Subaru needless to say exceeded my expectations, while my neighbors were stuck in their parking spots next to me I put the Legacy into reverse without shoveling any snow out and drove through the snow drift behind me and proceeded to plow a channel out to the main road. I will of course refrain from driving in deep snow on a regular basis but I could not resist the opportunity to see for myself why my friend who introduced me to Subaru in the first place was going on about.
Anyway though the car isn't perfect, there are a few things I noticed although it could just be me getting used to the car as well and iron out in the future.
- Rear driver side passenger door lock froze shut, so I could not unlock it manually or with the key fob. Eventually after driving around a bit it thawed out.
- Slight rattling noise from I believe the glovebox
- I find it sometimes a bit hard to get into reverse gear; but perhaps this will work out once I get more familiar with the car.
- The interior trim near the gearshift seems to be a little loose as I can press on it and it will move up and down.
- The frameless windows of the 2008 model make for more wind noise
Otherwise I was glad to confirm that all of the electrics I checked at the dealership were indeed continuing to work.
All Weather Package
Moonroof
Auto-Dimming Mirror w/ Compass
Splash Guards
CVT
PZEV
Media Hub (dealer installed before delivery)
Remote Start (dealer installed before delivery)
I negotiated down to $23,500 including installation of the 2 options (media hub & remote start), and then I had the $250 Subaru coupon from the Philly Auto Show. So I got my car for $23,250 plus TTL. The car had 17 miles on the odometer when I took delivery.
I am searching for a used Limited 08/09/10.
Edmunds price vs kbb is often higher on kbb. "Odd" the last dealer I sat with used kbb.
Looking for info from any who have had luck recently. Limiteds seem hard to find. Elites even rarer. Many dealers seem unwilling to budge from online posted prices. I'm trying to stay low 20k's otd. I am located in NJ + Bill Kolb seems shady.
Any info would help, dealers, year/model feedback etc. Thanks. I will update,when/if ever, i can find a deal.
The last time I checked, Subaru was valuing my car at between $15-$16 as part of its guaranteed trade-in program, so if you add a hefty dealer profit on top of that, you're talking in the very high teens retail before taxes, tags, etc., for an '08.
Frankly, though, unless you're buying the Subaru for its AWD, you can get a new Hyundai Sonata for around $20K (although not with leather at this price). They are really fine cars, and to me, feel far more advanced than even the 2010 and later Legacys. I'm a Subaru loyalist (I also have an '08 Outback), but I would still switch if I didn't need the AWD in the winter.
Good luck with your search.
But now I am talking myself into going for 'broke' with a 2011. With used subby limiteds tuff 2 find and holding value I am beginning to bend.
I tested the 2.5 and the 3.6. Now I have to talk myself down from the 3.6 as you can imagine the ride is awesome, though the 2.5 was close other than off the line. I have gotten a good quote (below inv.), I'll update when I leap.
Any one buy either 2011 limited of late? Any/all info is helpful.
I have a sports car for weekends, so I didn't feel the need for speed in the Limited (especially with gas prices -- once again -- approaching $4 a gallon). I will stand corrected, but I believe there is no difference in the suspensions in the various Legacy models. It's one way that Subaru saves money. I know this was true back in '08. The only difference then was that the GT had bigger brakes. If you go with the 2.5i, you will be fine in most circumstances and will save a few bucks on gas. The only limitations: 1) you won't be able to hit the gas and squirt into openings in traffic, and 2) you won't be able to fill the car with three other people and luggage without noticing it. Other than that, the 2.5i is a great performer and I understand it's even better in the 2011 with the CVT transmission. Good luck in the search.
I test drove both the 3.6 and 2.5 twice before I bought. While I liked the power of the 3.6, I didn't like the high revs at highway speeds compared to the 2.5. The CVT really holds RPMs quite low on the highway. Given gas prices, I'm glad I went with the 2.5.
Good luck!
New rather than used due to the better value, availability etc. Thanks again to all contributors.
Congrats.
I found a CPO limited 4cyl in the color I want with 10k mileage. They've verbally agreed to sell for $23100 to include adding tint, spoiler, and cargo tray. I've had a difficult time deciding between the invoice price of a new 2011 without the spoiler and tint, and this car. Am I getting a decent deal?
I'm in TX, and this is the only vehicle within 400 miles in the color I'm looking for, and mileage.
Your help is greatly appreciated!
They didnt' have the color I wanted in stock but I only waited a week to get one in.
Short answer; $23,000 is too high when for another $2K-$3K you should be able to get a 2011 model with NO miles.
easypar
I love my two '08 Subarus, including my Legacy Limited daily driver, but frankly, if I lived in Texas as you do, I would be driving a Hyundai Sonata Limited if I didn't need the all-wheel drive. The Hyundai is an all-around better car with a better warranty and, for your price range, you can probably find plenty of new ones in your area. Just my two cents.
To be honest, I was a bit disappointed. Fantastic car on paper, but some how it was just less than the sum of its parts. Numb steering, too-light clutch and shifter, not very fun to drive. Subjective things that are not shown on any spec sheet, but neither of us liked it.
We drove a Legacy sedan right afterwards and both of us liked it a lot better. Especially the steering.
He actually ended up buying a Forester.
I'd recommend the Kia only to someone who prefers isolation over driving involvement.
To be fair, most cars in this class are boring, with few exceptions. The Legacy was not, though.
Not to negate the positives about the Sonata, but the Optima also had poor rear visibility.
A Subaru without AWD is like non-alcoholic beer.
Hyundai's powertrain is great, but like I said, my complaints were in other areas, mostly subjective. 274hp with numb steering and isolated handling are not a good combination at all. They need a sporty version and a manual trans to boot.
I bought my Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium with All Weather Package for 21500 + 400 documentation fee. With TTL it was 24K. NYC area.
Having said that, the Kia's interior was fine, in fact it sort of looked old school compared to Hyundai's edgier design.
Maybe the Sonata's MPG as well....
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