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Re the "BS fees" added on. Good point! That's what I got when I tried truecar.com. The "certified dealer" had a terrific "price" -- almost $2,600 off MSRP before applying incentives. And then ... over $700 added for total BS. In the end, the true price was worse than the first offers I got dealing directly.
The one great advantage I have is there's 5 Kia dealers within 30 miles of my house and about 15 dealers within 120 miles I'd be willing to bet that there's at least 30 dealers within 500 miles. I'll pull the trigger on my purchase Jan 7th the last day of the incentives to see what else I can.
On truecar you can get the discounted price with just giving a email address, when you want a dealer cert to purchase then you leave your phone number, I tried Costco but couldn't come close.
I looked around the lot of a large dealer in my area and reallly liked almost every model I saw, even base LX models. You really get a lot for your money with the Sorento. I'm starting to get the itch but will be patient.
I'm still trying to narrow down exactly what I want color/packages ect. planning to make my finial selection today then it's time to play "Let's Make a Deal." I'll have all my info/quotes in front of me and see what I can get.
Talk to the fleet dealer not the [non-permissible content removed] selling cars on the lot, chances are the lot salesman has no idea about you options. I'll let you know how my costco experience works out. The fleet dealer told me that he can check his computer to see what cars are on the assembly line & headed to his lot so this will bge an excelent tool for getting exactuly what I want.
FWIW, two dealers have told me the 2013 Sorento assembly lines have been shut down. Kia USA has announced the 2014 Sorentos will be introduced in February. One dealer told me there are still some 2013 Sorentos "in the pipeline" that haven't arrived at dealers yet.
Best of luck with your negitions; keep us posted on how it goes.
The price includes everything destination fees, dealer fees except what the cockroaches incharge of this state milk you for when buying a new car. Even buying from a dealer 10 miles apart can run you an extra $300 in city taxes.
So I'm going with Costco they give you a $200 gift card for filling out a review of your experience, 15% of all Auto parts & services including any car you own and a deal on auto insurance.
I've thrown out my name and # to 4 dealers of interest so now I'll wait until next week and see if I get a call back with an "Offer I Can't Refuse"
Someone said they got a EX V6 AWD for $28300? did that include dealer fees?
THANKS VERY MUCH for the Costco heads up, I went to their website first but didn't want to deal with talking with a salesman until I received a price first.
I am looking to get a FWD, 4 cylinder Sorento with a third row seat (and I guess you have to get the "convenience package" with that) for $22,000.
The best price so far that I've gotten is $23.
I also want 0% financing.
I am in PA. This is my zip code: 19460
Is this possible? I am hoping to get out today during my lunch hour to look and possibly get some numbers.
If you purchase the V6 LX it comes with 3rd row seating and you'll qualify for $2,750 in rebates plus costco's deal so you should be looking around $22,700 out the door plus tax & liscense
You better read over the bad reviews on the small 4cyl. not much if any gas savings. Sorry 4cyl owners.
So I should look at the V6LX.
What is Costco's deal and how do I get it? Thanks.
First, the take-away and then the background story.
Today we purchased a 2013 Sorento EX V6 AWD with NO packages and including the following accessories: cross bars, cargo cover, cargo mat, cargo organizer and mirror w/ compass & HomeLink.
MSRP $31,305(kia.com)
Total invoce: 29,555 (Edmunds)
Incentive: $1,500 Cash Back
Total, cash-delivered price (no financing, no trade-in, all fees except OR registration, title and plates) for $28,452 from Wasatch Front Kia of Ogden, Utah.
We will also have to pay for transporting it from Ogden to Eugene where we live.
I used the "Fax" approach (now updated to e-mail, of course) to submit written purchase offers with authorization for charging my credit card with a $1,000 deposit upon acceptance within a 48 hour window. I offerred what I thought was a reasonable price, comparable to about $27,250 for the unit we bought (adjusting for which accessories were installed). Every response I got back hit right at the price-point we paid. Not one dealer would budge when I responded that $28,500 wouldn't work for us. Even after waiting a week, none of them followed up.
There are only a very few "plain" EX V6 AWD in the remaining inventory, so that limited our options and reduced competition. It may have also been the case that dealers weren't as worried about getting rid of an EX V6 AWD at $28,500 as they were the same vehicles at $35K+ (i.e., the ones with premium and/or limited packages).
Now, we probably could have done proportionately better, in terms off percentage of MSRP, by looking at units with one of the packages installed. But we wanted more storage, rather than the third row seats; and none of the other add-ons were really of much value to us. We keep our vehicles for 10-12 years, so at resale, having the packages would mean very little. Thus, it was better financially (for our interests) to get a "worse" deal on a plain EX and still pay less than a "better" deal on an EX with package(s).
I should also mention that I'm very skeptical of the 2014s with the GDI V6 and electronic steering. When it got down to there being only two plain EX's we were interested in showing up in the western states inventory, I decided it was time to move, rather than wait and risk having to pay more for a vehicle with less storage. (FWIW, I checked inventory through both kia.com and by slogging through dozens of individual dealers' websites.)
Now, I will also have to say both my wife (this is her car) and I are very happy. It's a beautiful car (Cherry Red with Beige leather), this model test drove great, and we still paid $4,000 to $5,000 less than the Nissan Murano V6 AWD we were looking at.
Now I just have to figure out how to get it under the tree!
Cheers!
Also, everybody has limits to how much work and time they want to spend to get a vehicle. Some people feel they must get the best deal ever and will haggle for months. Others like yourself want a vehicle at a fair price and don't want to negotiate. It's your money, time, etc. What's important is that you are happy with your purchase. Enjoy your nice ride.
Is the $1250 competitive bonus only for 6 cylinder models?
BTW, I love to negotiate when it's over significant amounts. (My wife looks askance sometimes. :mad: ) But in this case, I think I had found the "real" price for this kind of unit, in the region I could manage, and as of today. To do much better meant waiting an indeterminate amount of time; and, with only two satisfactory units that I knew of being available, I felt it was time to buy.
In Calif for the purchase of EX V6 premium package @ $26,970 the State extracts $2,977 for the privilege of living amongst the never working and non productive leaches that flood this state.
Here’s a list of taxes & fees
Ca sales tax
City tax
State registration
Ca. Highway Patrol fee
Ca License fee
CAS freeway emergencies fee
Fingerprint ID fee
DUI crime deterrence fee
Auto theft fee
Abandoned vehicle fee
Air quality fee
Alt fuel fee
Reflector license fee
Ben Dover N Spreedum fee
AND these SOB’s even charge taxes & fee’s on the incentives!!!!
I'm about to pop a cork! :mad:
GDI Problems In A Nutshell
Here's some basic info:
Wikipedia -- Gasoline direct injection
The "takeaway" for me is that until a particular manufacturer has a proven track record with their GDI engine(s), they are a potential risk in terms of problems after 50K or so miles (your mileage may vary).
I don't know about Kia's 4-cylinders, but as I mentioned earlier, we didn't want to buy the first Sorento model year (i.e., the 2014's) with a GDI V6 engine.
If you distill it out, the potential benefit of GDI engines is slightly more power and potentially significantlly lower emissions. GDI and the several variations appear to exploit more sophisticated techniques but with accompanying complexity and narrower tolerances. My personal choice is to avoid new complexities (OK once they're proven and stable) and seek greater tolerance.
What a day! 2 Costco dealers and one 1 truecar dealer. First off Truecar, I talked to the sales manager and the $1000 savings was... you guessed it wrong, I only qualified for an additional $500 but that expired 12-17-12 so now Costco and Truecar price are the same to the penny. The 2 Costco dealers were about $55 different. Best price $26,970 EX V6 Premium package plus Calif state fees.
The price includes everything destination fees, dealer fees except what the cockroaches incharge of this state milk you for when buying a new car.
Flatontop, did this offer actually pan out? If so, what incentives did it include?
The price of $26,970 (EX V6 premium pack) still in place until 12-31-12 I've got the offer sheet in front of me.
I'm starting to get the feeling that the dealer monitors this board because a few days ago I said that one of the Costco dealers told me there was no more 5 seater models in the country and about 1 hour later the other Costco guy calls me up out of the clear blue to tell me there's a few heading to LA and one with the exact color scheme I wanted.
So with that said...... "Hey mister dealer man, I'll cut you a check for $26,550 for the FWD or $28,550 AWD EX V6 premium pack & trailer hitch" plus I'll put you on my Xmas card list.
I just can't let edl2 get the best price...
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The salesman was really nice and I told him I don't want to talk about MSRP. We went back and forth a bit and then I told him I could get it from Costco for $400-$500 under invoice. Sales manager came over and we haggled a bit more. I had a car to trade in that had minor issues and I told him what I wanted for that if I traded it in. To make a long story short I got a 6 cylinder EX AWD with the usual minor accessories for invoice less $2750 incentives ($1250 Competitor, $500 military, $1000 customer cash) and 0% APR.
I'm very happy with the vehicle even though I could have gotten it a little cheaper. The Costco dealership was one of a group that I have dealt with in the past. I bought a Nissan Maxima and Honda Odyssey from them and while I def got a great price, the agita was not worth it.
Great value on a solid vehicle with a lot of bells and whistles. Even my wife can back up with the rear camers display
ALBRAD
I got the price I'm looking for but might have to settle for a silver color.
$26,500 for the EX V6 option pack 2, cash price I only qualify for rebates of $2750.
We picked up our 2013 Sorento EX V6 AWD (no packages) at the dealer in Ogden, UT. Dealer filled it with "Regular" (85 Octane).
Day 1: Drove 300 miles on Interstate to Boise, ID. For most of the trip the speed was 75-80 mph with one stop for coffee. The last 45 minutes or so was 65-70 mph as snow flurries began.
Day 2: Filled up with Super Premium. Drove 540 miles on Interstate to Eugene, OR. First half of trip was 60-80 mph (depending on road conditions) with one stop for breakfast. We also spent an hour, with engine idling, while we waited to detour around an awful bus wreck on I-84 at "Deadman Pass." (More on that later.) The second half of the trip was on 65-70 mph on dry pavement with one stop for gas (Shell V-Power).
Based on the full-tank-to-full-tank gas consumption and odometer mileage, we got 21.66 mpg. The average cost for gas was 16.5 cents per mile.
Driving report:
This car handles great!
Tons of power, with great torque for quick acceleration from standing stop or from any speed.
We had to deal with a lot of thin accumulation of snow and ice, mostly with some sand, but some very slick spots. Sorento tracked and held excellently.
The steering is very tight and quick. It's easy to oversteer, but once you adjust to how quick the response is, it's really nice. Very good road feedback, as well, providing a good sense of how you're holding to the road.
The ride is stiff, as others have noted. To me, this is a plus because you have great control and road feedback. I don't find the ride "harsh," but this is not your Daddy's Lexus. Stability is great, no sway or bounce off the road surface.
Visibility is great. Much better than the over-styled designs with constrained view to the rear.
The automatic is so smooth you can hardly detect gear changes. Automatic downshifting on uphill was early and very smooth.
Cruise control worked perfectly. Very smooth.
I used the "Sportmatic" on a few occasions to manually downshift to 4th and 5th. Worked smoothly and provide the downhill resistance as desired.
I used the "Center Differential Lock" on two occasions. Once on flat, packed snow and ice in town (Boise) and on an up-and-downhill, snow-packed road as we took the detour around the bus wreck. Traction was great in both case, although I plan to get snow & ice tires for winter driving in the Cascade Mountains.
There is no engine noise except a satisfying sound when you accelerate fast.
Tire noise is loud on rough pavements.
Wind noise was low except for a period when a low whistle was noticeable. I think it may have been from ice accumulation on a roof rail and/or crossbar.
There was a constant, annoying rattle from (I think) the right front wheel well. I haven't isolated it yet, but I think it may be caused by wind shaking a flexible plate mounted under the wheel well. The dealer should have caught this, and I'm sure it can be corrected.
Windshield wipers are conventional, low-end type. They froze and were spotty. I've already replaced them with top-end Bosch wipers, which is what I put on our other cars.
Headlights seemed adequate.
Interior lighting and instrumentation was good, although I'm not a big fan of red. The "estimated range" was dead-on, which was nice.
Seats were very good. My wife found them near "perfect." I'm long-legged, so they were a little short (compared to my Nissan Frontier 4x4). However, I felt very comfortable and stable for the long segments of driving.
Wonderful leg room, head room and shoulder room for a fairly big guy (6'2" and 230 lbs). Note that our EX does not have a sunroof, which would reduce the headroom somewhat.
Sound system quality is good; but not outstanding.
Temperature control was good.
Let me know if there are any other items you're interested in.
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We had been travelling north on I-84 right with the bus that crashed and killed 9 people, but stopped in Baker City for half an hour for breakfast. As a result, we came up to the stopped traffic about a half hour after the wreck. The interstate for a few miles climbing up to Deadman Pass was incredibly icy, and we were just lucky we didn't get involved in any accidents. There had been another fatal accident on I-84 a little further west earlier that morning, and we had seen two cars rolled on their roofs off the road, plus several other remains of accidents. That kept us in full mind of the fact that AWD is no "miracle" solution for icy conditions, especially without studded tires.
So, everybody ... enjoy your Sorentos, but BE SAFE!
Only a few options were included:
wheel locks, cargo net, iPod adapter, bumper cover
$23,000 before TTL (I got 2,750 in incentives)
Thanks for the advice on the forum and good luck to others!
I have a question about the AWD, You talked about locking up the AWD, do you mean you have the option of running in FWD ONLY mode? Or is the AWD automatically engaged when necessary with the option to manually lock it up? The sales people I've talked to seem to say what you want to hear and not necessarily the facts.
6 months ago I rented a new Jeep for 3 weeks and liked the option to release the 4x4 to exclusively 4x2 mode, we got great mpg in FWD. I doubt that my wife will let me buy a AWD after what I put her through with the Jeep, took it to the bottom of the Grand Canyon, Monument Valley, Death Valley and every patch of dirt in-between, if there was a rock in the road I'd run it over. If I can find a base model V6 ex AWD I’m buying it but I don’t think there’s any within 300 miles, so it’s probably the V6 ex fwd pac2. I had seconds thought about the Sorrento and test drove the Equinox and liked it but the $7k in price jump was too much, the Traverse was a better fit for me but @ $10k more not doable.
If you’re a fairly large man @ 6’2- 230lbs that makes me a huge (fat) one @ 6’2 - 330lbs thus the reason I’m getting a new car. Last Jan 7th I bet my wife I could drop 150lbs in 1 year she responded “if you lose the weight you can buy the car of your choice, if not the choice is mine”. Thank god I won’t be driving around in a red Camaro. Next Monday it’s weigh in day and then off to the dealership. Maybe next week I’ll get her to bet on a boat or a Harley? err not, one horrific murdercycle accident a lifetime is enough for me.
But reason for my post is to answer question on "locking" AWD. What that means is that you can lock the drives of all the wheels together so that even if one wheel (or two or three) are on loose or slick pavement, all wheels turn. This is very helpful on sand, mud, other slick surfaces.
"4WD Auto (4WD LOCK is deactivated) ... Vehicle operates similar to conventional 2WD under normal operating conditions. However, if the system determines that there is a need for 4WD mode, the engine's driving power is distributed to all four wheels automatically without driver intervention."
"4WD LOCK ... This mode automatically begins to deactivate at speeds above 19 mph and is shifted to 4WD AUTO mode at speed above 25 mph."
So ... "locking center differential" is a bit of a misnomer, since (according to this description) the center differential is fully "locked" only below 20 mph.
In any case, when the center differential is not locked, if any one wheel is slipping, all the power would normally be sent to the slipping wheel, and you would be stuck. However, according to Kia, "The advanced Traction Control System (TCS) can sense wheel spin during acceleration. When it does, it uses a combination of engine power and brake force to transfer power to the wheels that have the most traction, providing both increased control and enhanced responsiveness."
Now, when the center differential is actually locked, power is always sent to both front and rear axles. Thus, even without TCS, if either axle has both wheels getting traction, then those wheels can pull/push the vehicle even though the other axle has one or both wheels spinning (and therefore isn't providing any push or pull).
ennui101's comment wasn't quite accurate. Leaving TCS aside, with the center differential locked, if at least one wheel on each axle is slipping, you're still stuck. TCS attempts to mitigate this problem by applying braking force to each slipping wheel so some power still gets transferred to a wheel with traction.
How well the combination of "locking center differential" and TCS will all work in practice can only be determined by experience. However, the ability to lock the center differential when you're trying to get going on snow or ice (or mud) does provide an advantage over a center differential that can't be locked.
Here is a technical Comparsion of AWD and 4WD systems
On the stiff seating issue I have, the limited Pac comes with different seats that are harder, wider & air cooled. I took a ride in the EX with option pack2 and the seats are comfortable enough. Also the UVO display was quite a bit smaller. But as long as it's Bluetooth capable I'm ok with it. I'll post the outcome Monday.
Happy New Year!
Q) Why are so many people trading in low mileage Kias?
Very few 2013's, mostly 2011 & 2012. 2011 was the start of this restyled model. What impressed me was the great resale value that Carmax assigns to the cars, which is not negotiable. Most 2012 SX AWD's with 8-20K miles on them were priced only $3-4K less than what I paid new for my 2013.
As for price Carmax tends to be a bit higher than other dealers because they have a fixed price and stand behind their guarantee.
The comment posted by "Steve" makes sense. There's a new model about to hit the market and the dealers are selling off their inventory as possibly as "fleet".
I think I'll hold off until closer to April to see how they are pricing the Sorento with the new model about to be released. We should see Carmax drop their prices as well!