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  • capt2capt2 Member Posts: 57
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    I sell Toyotas in the same region as you live in. We are hampered by what Central Atlantic Toyota orders. As of yet, they have not ordered any 4x4 V6 trucks. We have several V8 4x4 Standard cabs coming this month. We can special order trucks, but it does take a long time if it deviates from what Toyota has planned for.
  • jyarnoldjyarnold Member Posts: 50
    I’m glad most of you don’t seem to be having paint chip probs as I appear to be. I moved some trees in plastic pots on the raw bed this weekend and, sure enough, just the motion from driving scored the paint off the bed and onto the plastic edges of the pots. These were not big trees and not a lot of motion. I do have TRD so I think I have antichip paint but it sure don’t act like it. Granted, It’s a pickup and some of the chips on fenders and hood must have been caused by heavy offroading but previous cars, (4Runner), seemed to fair better. I’m only worried about resale as I trade-in or sell every few years., I’ll talk to dealer.

    Still loving this truck and now in CO I finally got 17 inches of snow to slip around in. If I survive I’ll post a snow-handling report.
  • atoyotatoyot Member Posts: 58
    Antichip paint comes with the CK - All Weather Guard Pkg. and includes a HD Battery, HD Starter, HD Heater and Anti-Chip paint. This is according to the Tundra brochure on page 40. Don't know where the paint is applied, but I believe it is just on the lower body panels and has a orange peel look to it.
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    Would anyone want easy-chip paint? If the anti-chip was standard would anyone request easy-chip as an option? This just sounds to crazy to be real. The orange peel look was something GM used to catch all kinds of heat about - Give Toyota credit they take a defect from GM and get customers to pay extra $$ for it. I guess they have "come to far"....
  • cwirthcwirth Member Posts: 169
    z71bill:

    No I don't think easy-chip paint would be a popular item but if anyone wants peeling blue paint just take a trip to your GM dealer. I remember it well.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    LOL!!!!!!
  • daren1daren1 Member Posts: 8
    I have a hard tonneau cover on order and should get it in a couple of weeks. Has anybody found a good box for the bed of their Tundra that doesn't extend over the bedrails? I obviously want to be able to shut the tonneau cover.
    If any body is interested, I purchased a Raider Low Rider tonneau cover. It appears to be one of the easiest to take off and it provides some of the best protection from rain. The tonneau cover just became available for the Tundra and has been available for other pickups for quite some time.
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    I have the stock 265 tires, they must be 70's?. My mistake.

    Paint...

    I have the anti chip paint but don't have the off-road package. My truck is white, it may have something to do with why it looks extremely impressive. Even when the truck is dirty the paint still has that wet look. Between my wife and I this is the fourth new vehicle in the last five years, the Tundra's paint is definitely top notch. I've been very surprised to read of others having paint issues.
  • dogsterdogster Member Posts: 94
    I got my info on the Toyota Class IV hitch availability on the Limited from the Toyota Regional Office which consulted with the National Office here in Torrance, CA. I only verified the info from the National Customer Assistance Office before I took delivery a month ago. I have a Class IV hitch sitting on my Limited that was installed by my selling dealer the day after I took delivery. By the way, I towed my boat yesterday (4800 lbs and 470 lbs. of tongue weight) and the Tundra hauled it around easily:)
  • 606zpx606zpx Member Posts: 75
    Hey guys Ive got a couple of questions I hope you can help me with....

    1. I ordered my tundra without the port installed class III hitch made by Reese because I wanted a true class IV. Ive called Reese, Drawtite, Quality S, Putnam, Valley and they are not nor planning on making a class IV hitch for the tundra. Does anyone know an aftermarket supplier with a class IV hitch and, if not, what is the retail and dealer cost of the factory class IV and who makes the hitch for toyota???

    2. I also ordered the truck with the base styled steel wheels which includes the 245/70 tires. I did this intending to buy new wheels. I figured I would run the stock tires til they wear out then get 265/70 tires(a size that is available on the tundra). I note that the port can also put on 265/70 michelins. Does anybody know if the port corrects the speedometer after doing this? If I buy larger tires later, how do you correct the speedometer if possible? Any recommendations?
    I even thought about getting the steel wheel option with the wheel well molding and 265 tires so that I know the truck came from the factory with my goal tire size and the speedometer would be correct, but I want to get fender flares and it would seem like a waste to get that option.

    Thanks in advance
    606zpx
  • artpartp Member Posts: 156
    I have the 265 tires and wondered if MY speedometer was correct, or if they just slapped on the 265's and didn't adjust anything.

    Yesterday I drove past one of those stationary police radar posts, where it tells your speed and the posted limit. My speedometer reported an even 32mph but the radar clocked me at 30. I suspect, like motorcycles, the speedometer is intentionally set high, giving room for error.
  • pchengpcheng Member Posts: 162
    Face it, the speedometer is not a finely tuned instrument like the fuel injection system. There will always be variation in the speedometer reading. Variance in the speedometer reading can be caused by a lot of different things (tire pressure, tire diameter (variance in tire production), variances in the manufacturing of speedometers, and yes even factory's intentional settings).

    Variances also changes with different speeds. Your speedo can be +1 at 55, but -3 at 60mph.

    My guess is that the variance in the speedometer is greater than the difference in the circumference of the tire between 265 and 245's.

    This can be quickly tested by calculating the circumference of both tires and finding the percentage of difference between the two. This would give you the amount, in percentage, that the speedometer would be off. I'm just a lowly History major, and don't have my geometry text book handy to come up with the formulas. Perhaps an engineer among us can help.
  • cole12cole12 Member Posts: 10
    The antichip paint is included in the ck package.The paint is only applied to the last four inches of all body panels. It has a orange peel look to it on purpose. It has nothing to do with the rest of the paint. In regards to speedo accuracy, I have the port installed michelin tires, my speedo is dead on with the speedo on my GPS unit.Which you cant get any more accurate than that
  • drjeckyldrjeckyl Member Posts: 4
    I have over 2500 miles on my SR5 Tundra. Thunder Grey with no problems what so ever. Getting the same gas milage most others are posting here. My commute is mostly freeway but I am a litte hard on the gas. I do not baby it a bit. I got a SnugTop for it. They make a quality product and did an excellent job matching the paint. Bed was Rhino lined. I do not care if they did scrape the paint to lay the liner. I will never see it! They did line over the drain holes. They knew that I wanted to put a topper on it and leaving the holes in the bed would draw all sorts of crud into the bed. I use this truck to haul around my hunting dogs and their kennels. They do not slide on that liner at all and dirt is not drawn into the bed area.

    Did not get a bug liner for the front but did get a clear bra. Costs a little more but protects the front end and lights from most rocks thrown at it. I want to eventually get a brush guard and thought it looked stupid with a bug guard and brush guard.

    I will think about a tow hitch. I do not have anything to tow yet and may just get away with a ball hitch in the bumper.

    Finally will dump the tires that came with the TRD off-road package when they wear out and get larger rubber.

    All in all am so very pleased with this vehicle. It does ride better than a truck should but eats up all of the off-road that I have done. Performed remarkably well with the first snow of the season we received here in Denver.

    Hopefully will have some blood in the bed this weekend. Going hunting. No babying this vehicle for me.

    John Hyde
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    You missed my point on anti-chip paint. But I hear Toyota is coming out with several new options in 2001. They include, Anti-overheat radiators, anti-squeal breaks, anti-slip transmissions, anti-blow head gaskets, anti-rust body panels, anti-leak windows, anti-dead battery and my favorite anti-antifreeze . Would you be willing to pay extra for these options??? Should you have to order special paint to prevent chips??? Now do you understand my point!! You should expect your $25+k truck to have these included. The real question is why is the Tundra paint not holding up as good as prior year 4-runners, T-100s ETC. I test drove a 4-runner (4x4 Limited) in 98 and almost bought it,I would have if I could have found a White one with Gray leather seats. I do not remember needing to order special paint. I do agree GM had some crappy paint jobs (between 84 and 93 were the pits) --- Who is the bigger fool - the guy who paid extra for anti-chip paint, or the guy who got the standard easy-chip paint..
  • toytundramantoytundraman Member Posts: 19
    and what (may I ask) is your point Bill???
  • cwirthcwirth Member Posts: 169
    Where did you get your information that the paint on the Tundra is worse than the paint on the T100 and 4runner. Thats interesting about the new options on the 2001 model. Maybe GM can adopt some of them and add: steering that works, abs brakes that don't fail.
  • cole12cole12 Member Posts: 10
    Well lets just give you an update on my Chevy vs Tundra comparison. As I have posted b4, my co-worker, a home builder, drives a 1999 silv. He has 13k miles, Items to date with problems:
    Transmission replaced at 6700 miles
    Left front spindle and bearing were not greased from factory-all componets seized up.
    Latch on glove box snapped off
    Both front seats squeak bad.
    Front end creaks when going over speed bumps etc.

    Now Mr Z71, why should I spend my hard earned dollar on inferior products. I understand that not all silv are having problems. But I saw him every day, saw how he treated his truck, which was not hard. This is what I based my buying decision on.

    Now my truck, to date with problems. 7400 miles
    Emergency brake not adjusted properly from factory
  • cwirthcwirth Member Posts: 169
    I think I know why z71bill has to continually blast the Tundra in a Tundra topic area. After seeing and reading about the Tundra he regrets not waiting until the Tundra came out before purchasing a truck. I think he really knows that the Tundra is a superior product since he has at one time come close to purchasing a Toyota product.

    Hey Bill, it's ok to have buyer's remorse. In due time you can trade your Chevy for a Tundra. You won't regret it.
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    My point is why not just include anti-chip paint as standard. The rest was sarcasm.

    Cwirth- My source is posts on this (and other) sites. People who have owned 4-runners and T100's and now own Tundras have stated that the Tundra paint is not holding up as well. I don't see why they would say this if it was not true. I will admit to making a few negative comments. My Toyota experience when I was shopping for a new truck was not good. I did wait several months for the Tundra to come out before buying - and when I first saw the Tundra was disappointed with what I saw. I want/need more room in the back and also wanted all the bells and whistles that the Tundra does not have (yet). I have actually owned 3 Toyota products. You are right about one thing (almost) - I may trade my wifes 98 Tahoe in on the new SUV based on the Tundra. Have they named it yet?. Of course I will compare SUVTUNDRA with the new 2000 Tahoe and buy the one that is the best fit for my needs.

    Cole12- It sounds to me like your co-worker got a real lemon. Why don't you tell him he is a moron for buying a chevy? It is obvious to me you know everything there is to know about trucks. Well there goes the sarcasm again..Is the 12 in your name really your age / or maybe your IQ?
  • cole12cole12 Member Posts: 10
    For starters I do call him dummy for buying a chevy. Gee I have personally owned 4 Toyotas and 1 lexus, and I have never had a "lemon". Toyota would not accept that as a excuse.Cole is my son's name for your info. I dont really mean to get mean with you, but I just hate the fact that some people really think GM is a better product than Toyota. Just look at facts. Better resale, better reliability, an so on. This is not just my opinion. This is a fact. Im not saying Toyota is the best car out there, its just better than GM. Just like GM is better than Dodge.
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    I do not think I have ever posted that GM is better than Toyota.. I have been critical of the Tundra a few times, and OK I did post some crap about the Tundra being a 1/2 size full priced truck, but it was just a little joke. My main problem with the Tundra is I think Toyota could have (should have) built a larger cab, added a few options like locking differential, autotrac (4x4), tow haul mode, memory seat, 4 wheel disc brakes (anti-lock standard is nice). Many will disagree with me on this, which is fine. The fact is if Toyota would have put this type of package together and been even on price I would most likely be driving a Tundra..I also think the marketing department at Toyota wanted to look close in MSRP VS the BIG 3. Leaving off all of these things allowed them to do this. We will know if I am correct about this, but will have to wait 3 years to find out. My guess is Toyota will add all of these options and also jack up the price of their truck (a lot). This is the same strategy Toyota used when they introduced the LS 400. You could buy an LS 400 for under $35,000. But as they gained a reputation the price went up fast. Don't get me wrong - this is a good (smart) business plan and also good for the first buyers. If a new Tundra (fully loaded) costs over $40,000 in model year 2003 it will sure help the resale value of your Y2K Tundra. I think companies in Japan look out over a much longer time frame when they plan VS USA companies. This would also explain why Toyota is willing to fix problems outside warranty ETC. They want to keep you as a customer long term.

    Dam this post is getting to long - But one last thing. Disagree with me all you want, but lets not do the name calling & personal attack BS,it is a waste of both of our time. Well I guess spending 15 minutes typing comments to someone you don't know, about trucks is a waste of time too. So what ever makes you happy...
  • bluebeastbluebeast Member Posts: 258
    Toyota better than Chevy?...in what respect? Size?..NO...Bigger/more powerfull engine?...NO..better quality...Probably..Better, well you get the point, NO TRUCK is the best, if there is one everyone would own one. I've been a Toyota and/or Chevy man with trucks for 20yrs now and have seen many changes. My 1972 Chevy cheyenne super (short, wide box, V8, Auto) was vastly better than a Toyota. When I bought my 1989 Toyota Xcab 4x4 V6 it was by far better Chevy. When I traded my 89 in on a T100 (95 xcab 2x4 V6) it was very close between the Chevy and Toyota....quality won out. Traded the T100 in for a 99 Silverado LT, 4x4 xcab 5.3L and have had two problems (both fixed at the same time), leaking P.S. pump and the cruise would not resume/accel. Otherwise great truck. All of the Toyotas had problems also, but were very few. I would have bought the Tundra if they would have finished making the truck between the pickup box and the rear of the front seat. How could any manufacturer call the truck a "full size truck" when it is really not that close in size to the Big3. The rear seating area looks almost like my T100, 2 flat pieces of foam upright for your back and vertical for your tush. Then you get minimal leg room, already had all this fun with my T100 and hated it, thats why I only lasted 4 years in that truck. In 4-5 years when Toyota pulls there head out of their *** I might go back to a Toyota. My other experiences with Toyota was a 81 Celica & a 88 Camary. P.S. All new. P.S.S. The part that really confuses me is why when anyone other than a Toyota Tundra/Tacoma owner says anything on a Toyota page the first response is "I wish I would have bought a Tundra" or "I have buyer remorse"....etc. I enjoy reading about the Toyota that almost was, and if I have major continuous problems may own. So I like to read about things owners put online. Enough said..bye.
  • powercatpowercat Member Posts: 96
    I went up to Kansas City for Thanksgiving this week and got an opportunity to see and drive my brother-in-law's brand new Z-71 Sliveroddo. It may be a little bigger than my Tundra but as I have said before, so what. I drove it for a little over an hour, in and out of town and in a word I was UNIMPRESSED. The interior was cheap looking and you could tell fit tolerances were not high on the list. Furthermore, it was noisy, loose feeling, (not tight like my Tundra) and was a dog in the power department. I am biased, but he agreed with me! He said he bought it over a Tundra because the seat went further back. He has a point, he is 6'9" 365lbs.
    I really couldn't get over how much it lacked in power. My brother-in-law didn't realize how much either until he drove my Tundra. Just thought you guy's would like to know.
  • kentekente Member Posts: 28
    Has anyone had any experience with the EXTANG Tonneau Cover that does not use "snaps". It is called the "SABER TONNO" and attaches all the way around the bed with with a hook and channel design. I would be interested in good or bad experiences
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    The design you describe sounds like the Toyota one. I hate them. It is the one option that I will always try to talk my customers out of. I have yet to see a soft cover that didn't stretch and become unusable within 3 years. Most will buckle at the first heavy snow.
  • hoagy1hoagy1 Member Posts: 3
    Cliffy1, did you find out the cost of the Tundra repair manuals. I am sure there is a lot of us that would like to have them if the price is reasonable.
  • lberes2lberes2 Member Posts: 2
    I just bought a new Tundra and I think there is a noticible vibration at steady highway speed. I feel it in the seat and it seems like it is from the rear of the truck. Just a steady, low, hop. Has anyone else with a Tundra felt this or is it my imagination? Any suggestions,, help
    LB
  • bunkeybunkey Member Posts: 4
    Love the Tundra up here in Alberta Canada but haven't made up my mind between the Tundra or the Z71, My question to all of you who own the Tundra is what octane of fuel do you have to burn? I'm getting mixed responses up here because being the Lexus motor I know the Lexus Sport Utility 470 has to burn the expensive fuel.Can any of you answer my question . Thanks
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    The owners manual calls for 87 octane fuel. This is the same engine as the LX 470 but is tuned different to accept lower grade fuel.
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    The lexus LX 470 gets the short end of the stick when compared to the V8 Tundra. Tundra has 245HP @ 4800 RPM, 315 Torque at 3400 RPV, Vs Lexus 230 HP at the same 4800 RPM and 320 torque again at 3400. I would give up 5 Ft pounds of torque to gain 15 HP and also avoid using premium fuel. I guess Toyota must feel the Lexus owners have more money than they need so it is no big deal to pay extra at the pump.. Why don't they just put the Tundra engine in the Lexus?
  • gtc2gtc2 Member Posts: 5
    Hey guys picking up my sr5 access cab tomorrow,can't wait. Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I'd love to stick around but there's way too much B.S. on this board. Good Luck'
  • hoagy1hoagy1 Member Posts: 3
    Cliffy1, thanks for the information.
  • pchengpcheng Member Posts: 162
    No problem. I know you'll love the truck. You can always find me at www.tundrasolutions.com, www.homejack.com/tundra or e-mail me at pcheng@ucmnet.com.
  • powercatpowercat Member Posts: 96
    What is the final word on how much oil the Tundra requires? The manual says 6.4 Qts. & that's what the dealership put in, but I have heard as much as 7 and the dipstick shows a little low. They insisted 6.4 but. . .
  • mikemillermikemiller Member Posts: 71
    When I when to the dealer for my 5000 mile service a few weeks ago they charged me for 7 quarts. In fact the service department had to eat 2 quarts of full-synthetic Castrol because the service writer forgot that the Tunrda used 7 instead of 5 when he wrote up the Work Order Estimate
  • dirtytoesdirtytoes Member Posts: 6
    First, I want to thank you for all the time you devote to helping strangers! Second, why doesn't Toyota pay an "answer man" to do it? Would be great public relations. My question, is there any difference in the suspension between the six and eight cylinder Tundras? Are the load and tow ratings different just to keep from stressing the drive train? I'm seriously considering the stick V6 but may someday haul a camper. Thanks for any info.
  • lberes2lberes2 Member Posts: 2
    If anyone is considering buying a Tundra in the Seattle area let me know, I can direct you to the best deal and no BS.
  • emruzekemruzek Member Posts: 24
    I'm looking for a couple of opinions on the idle of the tundra. I have 9000 miles on mine. While sitting at a light idling, I can really feel the motor running. It kind of feels like there is a four or six under the hood instead of my 8. I understand that I can't compare the idle quality to a car, but I would believe that you should barely be able to tell that the engine is running, as 8's run smoother than 4's and 6's. Any responses would be greatly appreciated.
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    This one might be hard to diagnose over the BB, but here goes. First, mine (1200 miles) idles as smooth as any car I've ever had. I'll assume that you've performed or had performed all required maintenance. Next I'd ask if this is a deteriorating condition. Has it been getting worse? If this is all of a sudden I'd ask if you've changed gas grades recently. If not I'd ask if you've changed the air filter recently (filter change due at 15,000) or PCV filter. If none of the above then I'd compare your idle to another Tundra (perhaps your dealer would let you do a side by side comparison). If their is enough difference then maybe have the idle checked by "qualified" mechanic. My guess is that it might be a gas issue or a weather change and the computer is adjusting. I'm getting a little better mileage just by switching from Exxon to Sunoco (same 87 octane rating). Maybe try a different station or brand. Otherwise I might say your just getting use to your truck and feel things a little differently - kinda like getting use to your wife.
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    Anybody know if the Tundra has a crankcase filter in the airbox separate from the air filter?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Thanks for the compliment. E-mail Toyota and tell them to pay me for it ;-)

    Without the TRD package, there is no difference I am aware of in the suspension or springs. Payload is higher with a V6 manaul at 1680 versus 1532 for the V8. Towing capacity is 5000 for the V6 and 7100 in the V8. All of these figures are for the 4X4.

    I have a great program you may want to look at if you have acrobat reader. E-mail me privately and I will send it to you.
  • rangerbob2rangerbob2 Member Posts: 1
    Has anyone read or heard about any plans by Toyota to correct the straight up rear seat problem in the Tundra, as well as offer a manual transmission with the V-Eight?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Nothing on the seat that I have heard of. I don't think they will every put a manual transmission with the V8. It has to do with emissions. Toyota (and all other manufacturers) must meet emissions goals for individual models plus entire car lines. The automatic has better emissions due to the fact that the engine and transmission computers work together to retard ignition firing during shifts. This can't be done it you are shifting.
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Sorry if it's already been asked. Is there any difference with the trd, besides shocks? I like the ride of my non-trd but would like it better if it were a little firmer. Thanx
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    It is shocks, progressive rate front springs (all have progressive rear), Bridgestone tires and the fender flares. You probably would firm up the ride by adding the Bilstein shocks.
  • bsagarabsagara Member Posts: 3
    Just moved to Whistler..noticed a clunk sometimes when I go in and out of 4wd while moving...is this normal, or is there a lack of lubrication somewhere or....? Help...thanks in advance.

    Bert
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    That is the sound of your transfer case engaging and disengaging. It is normal. If you don't hear it, that would be a problem.
  • mmarcummmarcum Member Posts: 16
    I have also noticed this shuddering at lights like the engine is missing. It only idles at 500rpm. I asked the dealer mechanic about it and he said it is computer controlled and they could'nt adjust it. Any opinions? I think I'll ask again.
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